Frolics agent is a jerk wants 5 mil 5 yrs I'm sure we offered 4.5 over same term. If you want him for that you can have him. You guys need a true puck moving RD what would you give for Buff, don't want to trade him to anyone in west.
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Frolics agent is a jerk wants 5 mil 5 yrs I'm sure we offered 4.5 over same term. If you want him for that you can have him. You guys need a true puck moving RD what would you give for Buff, don't want to trade him to anyone in west.
Detroit is the perfect trade partner to get Buff, in the East we only have to play him twice a yr. Pukkininen would be a great start need a LD one yr term UFA.
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From a Jets perspective i'd be interested in a deal based around Dekeyser. I can see him as the perfect LHD to grow with Trouba over the next 5-10 years.
What do you Wings fans think would balance a Dekeyser/Byfuglien trade?
Dekeyser is pretty untouchable, even for Buff. He signed with Detroit out of college as a FA, it would look bad to turn around and deal him so soon.
Isn't Buff only signed for one more season? He's not worth Detroit's best young defenseman in a straight up trade.
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Understand the ask, you have two players that we would be interested in working a package around DeKeyser for, both probably see us with considerable adds. One would be that same player you want to pair him with in Trouba. The other would be Scheifele. I know end of conversation, but the Wings aren't looking to move Danny DeKeyser either so those are kind of the facts unfortunately.
I would listen to offers and I think more importantly the Wings front office would, but ultimately he is a fairly impossible get.
Larkin and DeKeyser are likely to have an extremely high retention rate in terms of free agency years and seem like solid building blocks. To land local guys like that makes them much harder to move. The Wings would run you through the ringer to get him out of Detroit.
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If DK was bad I don't think that would be an issue. It is a business. But once you have a successful local boy it does get harder. The problem here is he is a young Top 4 D-man that they like a great deal. That is why he would be protected, the other stuff factors, but I don't think it is for appearance sake. It is the type of asset you're asking for.
That would demand a young D-man or Center straight away.
The Wings can move other left-handed D-man, heck they might consider shipping Ouellet, even though I have long been a fan he is a more likely name in the Buff talks. DeKeyser kills that package before it gets off the ground.
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Ken Holland doesn't make trades that involve roster players. At best he would trade prospects and draft picks and that's probably not enough to swing a deal with Winnipeg.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Yeah not happening? Holland loves DeKeyser and DeKeyser signed with his hometown Red Wings as a RFA out of college with the assurance that he would be there for a long time. No way would Ken Holland even think of moving DeKeyser for Byfuglien. That makes little sense from Detroits perspective.
Our best young defenseman isn't available for one season of Buff. Sorry not happening.
Wrong Ken Holland said no to this, Because Nonis wanted Mantha in return and Holland said no way.
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ShelbyZ
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My wish is for some addition through subtraction.
-Let Cleary and Gustavsson FINALLY walk as UFA's.
-Find a way to make sure that Kindl and Weiss don't end up in Babcock's doghouse for a 3rd season. By that, I mean either trade or buyout them. With a thin UFA market for Dmen this summer, Holland SHOULD have no issue finding a new home for Kindl.
-Somehow get a REAL TOP 4 DMAN on this team. Guys like Weiss, Smith, Kindl, Pulkkinen and Sproul could somehow be involved in a package for one.
-Give Ferraro and Callahan the #13/14 spots on offense next season and let Ouellet, Marchenko and Jensen battle for a regular spot on the blue line.
And no more of this crap:
-Ken Holland's "crowded roster" philosophy
-Expensive healthy scratches
-Losing good young players on waivers so Dan Cleary can be a healthy scratch for 72 out of 89 games
-Let Cleary and Gustavsson FINALLY walk as UFA's.
-Find a way to make sure that Kindl and Weiss don't end up in Babcock's doghouse for a 3rd season. By that, I mean either trade or buyout them. With a thin UFA market for Dmen this summer, Holland SHOULD have no issue finding a new home for Kindl.
-Somehow get a REAL TOP 4 DMAN on this team. Guys like Weiss, Smith, Kindl, Pulkkinen and Sproul could somehow be involved in a package for one.
-Give Ferraro and Callahan the #13/14 spots on offense next season and let Ouellet, Marchenko and Jensen battle for a regular spot on the blue line.
And no more of this crap:
-Ken Holland's "crowded roster" philosophy
-Expensive healthy scratches
-Losing good young players on waivers so Dan Cleary can be a healthy scratch for 72 out of 89 games
Heaton
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Agree with this.
What's your solution? Just play them regardless of how ****** they are?
Who did we get rid of to keep Cleary?
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Datsyuk
Zetterberg
Nyquist
Tatar
Pulkkinen
Helm
Abdelkader
Sheahan
Jurco
Weiss (?)
Franzen (????????????????????????)
I don't know if we have room for AA.
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ShelbyZ
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What I basically meant was a rehashing of what I said about clearing out Babcock's doghouse. The Wings most frequent healthy scratches were Cleary, Weiss and Kindl, whose cap hits equal a staggering $9.8M. It would be one thing if they all the sudden started struggling this past season to be benched. However, they were also frequent scratches the previous season. If they didn't fit in the line-up the season before, they should be moved so that someone else can get a shot.
We lost Nestrasil on waivers to Carolina shortly before Thanksgiving. He went on to put up 18pts in 41 games for the 'Canes. After he was claimed, Cleary dressed for 13 more games. You could also argue that Callahan or Ferraro could have been more useful as a #13/14 forward as well.
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Someone has to take those players. Weiss has been available, Kindl was available. No one wanted them.
Nothing you can do about that. We were never going to keep Nestrasil even if Cleary had retired.
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We could have waived Cleary instead of Nestrasil, and kept Nestrasil, sending Cleary to GR. That would have made a lot of sense, actually.
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The Weiss situation makes sense because of his contract, but I refuse to believe that "no one wanted" Kindl. NHL Dmen at his age pull a premium at the trade deadline and in the UFA market. Look at what Philly dumped for MacDonald, and what the Oilers had to overpay just to sign Nikitin and Fayne (who are arguably at the same level or worse than Kindl). He has an easy to swallow cap hit, and for team that struggle to attract UFA's, he has a couple years of term. You can't tell me that he wouldn't garner some sort of measurable decent return. If he is so invaluable on the trade market, Holland should be fired for giving him that awful four year deal after playing well only for most of a shortened season.
As for the Cleary/Nestrasil debacle, Cleary just shouldn't have been there in the first place. Holland keeps doing this garbage where he goes into training camp with 23 or more 1-way contracts and the question ends up being "Who gets waived?" not "Who EARNS a spot?". He did the same thing with Chelios, which was how we lost Quincey. Other teams (even successful ones) leave spots open so that they can rotate in guys that can go up and down from the AHL without waivers or have actual competition for spots.
I laughed last summer when everyone talked about how Holland/Babcock were going to give Mantha an opportunity to earn a spot. Like that was going to happen... He could've scored a hat trick in every pre-season game he played and still would've started in GR...
It would have, and I lobbied for the move at the time. He doesn't have the defensive game of Andersson, but he's got similar size, he's a better skater, and he's more effective offensively while not being a problem defensively. Considering how ineffective Jurco was all season, how Pulkkinen didn't light the lamp with any consistency when he was brought up, how we've had trouble with big teams in the past, and how injuries shook out (though that's kind of unfair, hindsight being what it is and all), another big body might have been nice to have around.
Now, a counterargument is probably that we wouldn't have given Nestrasil the same opportunity that Caronlina gave him, which is true. But he was already pushing Jurco out of the lineup, and I think that would have continued. While he wouldn't have gotten the same minutes here as he did there, I think Nestrasil would have been given a longer look than we think.
Heaton
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We'd be likely waiving Nestrasil this season regardless. I don't think he had a future here.
how do people feel about Jurco? He's young, every time i watch he stands out as a forechecker but that is about it, had 2nd least amount of goals on the entire team.......I know he's still 22, and you shouldnt really give up on a guy that young and physically gifted, but what kind of package could he apart of to land a legit Dmen
