Prospect Info: 2015/16 Bakersfield Condors Thread
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Bryanbryoil
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IMO he lost some speed from the '14 camp to the '15 camp. He needs to get quicker.
ChaoticOrange
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Seems to happen a lot. I really wonder what kind of advice our prospects were getting under the old regime.
Like, say, Marincin packing on 20 pounds but losing all his mobility.
McRobbiezyg
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agreed.. its +/- but he's a +5 on a team that averages a -4 which is good to see
I'm not sure if he lost his speed or he's just trying to slow down the game. I always thought he was fast for someone his size every time I see him live. I know he's thinking a lot more.
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I really wasn't a fan of Betker's first step at camp.
He got caught flat-footed and standing still a lot.
He got caught flat-footed and standing still a lot.
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The AHL is so silly sometimes.
Bakersfield has played 31 games, while other teams have played 38, 39 games. Just strange.
Bakersfield has played 31 games, while other teams have played 38, 39 games. Just strange.
Bryanbryoil
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IIRC that has to do with their division, they will play less games than other divisions.
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Dazed and Confused
Ludicrous speed, GO!
Well looks like some reinforcements are back: Winquist, Pitlick and McRae played their first games of the new year last night, along with Klinkhammer making his debut.
Didn't help much as they still lost 4-2, with the last being an EN. They were outshot ~40 to 20, though a defence without Hunt, Nikitin, or Laleggia might explain that...
Didn't help much as they still lost 4-2, with the last being an EN. They were outshot ~40 to 20, though a defence without Hunt, Nikitin, or Laleggia might explain that...
The Condors played a solid 15 minutes in the third period. The had 2 SOG in the first period and 8 in the second. By the end of the second period the shots were 10 for us and 30 for Texas.
In both periods there was NOT a single hit. Klinkhammer was Mia. Miller was terrible. We whiffed on soooo many shots. Defense was eating pizza. Te as goal tender had ZERO rebound control. He rarely caught it. We could not pass check or skate. Players were falling all over the ice. First game WITHOUT a single broken stick.
We decided to show up in the third and tied the game. Ref called two tacky calls at 3.39. As a result it was a 5 on 3. We killed it but with 1.09 tgey scored even strength. Had we played even 45 minutes the outcome would have been different. Klinkhammer was such a non factor. PP were how long can we pass the puck before giving it up.
In both periods there was NOT a single hit. Klinkhammer was Mia. Miller was terrible. We whiffed on soooo many shots. Defense was eating pizza. Te as goal tender had ZERO rebound control. He rarely caught it. We could not pass check or skate. Players were falling all over the ice. First game WITHOUT a single broken stick.
We decided to show up in the third and tied the game. Ref called two tacky calls at 3.39. As a result it was a 5 on 3. We killed it but with 1.09 tgey scored even strength. Had we played even 45 minutes the outcome would have been different. Klinkhammer was such a non factor. PP were how long can we pass the puck before giving it up.
So... what's it take to get an AHL franchise that develops prospects into NHL players? We're alright for cap now over the next couple of years. But at some point we're going to need to start plugging players in who are on ELCs.
The changes to the program down there need to start now so that we'll have guys ready when the time comes to need them. Looking at the team down there now... there's not much. No one who realistically projects into a top 9 spot at F or top 4 spot at D (maybe Reinhart). Brossoit is the only one who is really performing really well down there.
Drafting is obviously a big part. But you gotta think proper development is missing big time too.
The changes to the program down there need to start now so that we'll have guys ready when the time comes to need them. Looking at the team down there now... there's not much. No one who realistically projects into a top 9 spot at F or top 4 spot at D (maybe Reinhart). Brossoit is the only one who is really performing really well down there.
Drafting is obviously a big part. But you gotta think proper development is missing big time too.
Dazed and Confused
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I do think the answer is squarely on drafting, and development paths.
Take for example the fact that this team hasn't drafted an impact player in the second round in over 5 years. In that time frame they've only taken 3 players: Roy, Musil, Moroz.
M and M weren't considered to have high upsides, even on draft day; but where expected to good role players. Roy did have some nice upside, but like with Hamilton and Pitlick injuries put an end to that.
Throw in the fact that the only one 1st rounder (Klefbom) since 2004 has played more than 10 games in the minors (not counting the lockout), and there's not much talent to develop...
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Most of our first round picks never played a game in the ahl. That's why the prospect pool is so thin down there. This year is shaping up for that cycle to continue. You guys are right to identify this as a problem going forward however with the big team being an absolute tire fire it will likely get the most attention. Just goes to show how all encompassing the incompetence of previous management really was. Its offensive that they still have jobs in the organization. Goes to show that the incompetence includes ownership. That guy should likely shoulder most of the blame.
Dazed and Confused
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The other aspect is this team loves to draft the same type of player over and over again.
From 2010 to 2014... (not counting top 5 picks)
On defence
LH, 6'1+, 190, "two way or shutdown" guy: Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin, Laggarsson, Musil, Simpson, Davidson, Betker
"Other": Laleggia, Gustafsson, Blain, Gernat
Forwards:
The Hamliton: The physically dominate 6'3, 210 guy, who's maybe solid at hockey but nothing more: Yakimov, Khaira, Moroz, Muir, McCarron, Ewanyk, Hamilton, Pitlick, Chase, Czerwonka
The Lander: 6'0, 180, the smart ,"2 way" with no exceptional skills or talents player: Roy, Platzer, Houch, Vesel, Campbell, Pelss, Jones
Other/Not fitting these sterotypes: Rieder, Slepyshev, Coughlin, Zharkov
Not really a recipe for success...
From 2010 to 2014... (not counting top 5 picks)
On defence
LH, 6'1+, 190, "two way or shutdown" guy: Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin, Laggarsson, Musil, Simpson, Davidson, Betker
"Other": Laleggia, Gustafsson, Blain, Gernat
Forwards:
The Hamliton: The physically dominate 6'3, 210 guy, who's maybe solid at hockey but nothing more: Yakimov, Khaira, Moroz, Muir, McCarron, Ewanyk, Hamilton, Pitlick, Chase, Czerwonka
The Lander: 6'0, 180, the smart ,"2 way" with no exceptional skills or talents player: Roy, Platzer, Houch, Vesel, Campbell, Pelss, Jones
Other/Not fitting these sterotypes: Rieder, Slepyshev, Coughlin, Zharkov
Not really a recipe for success...
Condors have been consistently outshot for the better part of the season by a pretry widea margin.. Losing dmen hasn't helped, but we're just not a great possession team.
ChaoticOrange
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It's definitely both drafting and direction. Guys like Hunt, Ford, and Hamilton remain in prime roles down there.
First rounders making the jump to the NHL out of junior/Europe/whatever is part of it. But that's only some of it. I think it's probably pretty hard to be a successful team and only hit on first rounders.
This team just doesn't develop players outside of the 1st round. You've gotta go back a decade for Jeff Petry. That's the last player the Oilers drafted and developed into a good NHLer outside of the 1st round. There's guys like Marincin, Lander, Davidson, Peckham, Hartikainen.... guys who might have had a go at it, but didn't, or probably wont ever really make big strides as NHLers.
The best forward we've drafted outside of the 1st round in well over a decade is Tobias Reider. Who never spent any time with our farm team. Is it just a coincidence/fluke that he's the one who makes it? Or is it that we draft guys who might actually have potential and then we ruin them once they get to our ineptly run pro organizations.
Playing the others more and Hunt, Ford, and Hamilton less would result in less wins and the same quality of prospects. Drafting is the issue, not playing time.
Those guys and Brossoit are the only thing helping Bakersfield to win any games. Brossoit is the only legit prospect down there. Reinhart is getting points and has skill but looks lazy and slow. I'm sure he'll settle in somewhere in the NHL, but be prepared for disappointment. Khaira's ceiling is what, 4th line NHLer? Slepyshev can't perform at an AHL level...maybe he's very very slowly adjusting to the North American game? Undrafted guys like Winquist are heads above most of the "prospects".
McDNicks17
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With good reason.
Throwing players who can barely play at the AHL level into prime roles isn't going to help anyone.
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