Prospect Info: 2015/16 Bakersfield Condors Thread

[easternrefugee]

Anyone watch and have some insight on Kassian's play? Finished +1 and had about 1 of every 5 shots on net the Barons registered. Not bad for not playing seeing game action for a very long time and with 4 PIMS it looks like he is in midseason form.

Kassian definitely has skills but his timing is off. He plays a very physical game but the refs kept calling all kinds of stupid penalties. I know Bako endured 4 PK's in the first period including one as soon as the puck dropped for illegal starting line up. Bako seems to be playing a perimeter game. Secondary shots are close to nil unless it is Ford. Reinhart makes some god awful passes and he is far from physical. You know things are going bad in a shoot out when Kessey is #7. Kassian had no real moves in the shootout but then none one else did either.

 

[easternrefugee]

Bako is loaded with small skilled forwards who do not play a physical game. The only Physical players we have are Kassian, Moroz, Roy and Kellsey. If we do not score within the first 20 seconds of a PP then it will not happen. We will pass and eventually lose the puck or worse give up a short handed attempt. We have WAY too many ECHL guys who cannot play at this level.

Ford is about the only one who will go to the net consistently which is why he has so many goals/points.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Bako is loaded with small skilled forwards who do not play a physical game. The only Physical players we have are Kassian, Moroz, Roy and Kellsey. If we do not score within the first 20 seconds of a PP then it will not happen. We will pass and eventually lose the puck or worse give up a short handed attempt. We have WAY too many ECHL guys who cannot play at this level.

Ford is about the only one who will go to the net consistently which is why he has so many goals/points.

That's because the Oilers drafting has been completely terrible.

Sorry.

 

[lakai17]

Well it would be hard for Kassian in the AHL to adapt to those players being in a regular in the NHL the past few seasons. Once he gets to the NHL he will have skilled guys who will do a lot of work for him so he will only have to position himself in the right area.

 

[1990*]

Well it would be hard for Kassian in the AHL to adapt to those players being in a regular in the NHL the past few seasons. Once he gets to the NHL he will have skilled guys who will do a lot of work for him so he will only have to position himself in the right area.

Given how Draisaitl failed to blow anyone away with his boxcars (although his play was obviously much better) I would advise folks to take all Bakersfield stats with a truck of salt this season.

And yes, apologies from us to you, Condors fans- this is years of the old regime at work.

 

[easternrefugee]

Given how Draisaitl failed to blow anyone away with his boxcars (although his play was obviously much better) I would advise folks to take all Bakersfield stats with a truck of salt this season.

And yes, apologies from us to you, Condors fans- this is years of the old regime at work.

Draisaitl's game had just started to show itself when he got called up. Nurse on the other hand was improving more so than Draisaitl a the time of his call up. However you are right. We are soooo lacking in true NHL prospect depth. LB is the best prospect. Ford who is technically not a prospect is the only player who is willing to go to the net consistently. We have a perimeter team that lacks physicality. if not for LB we would have a VERY difficult time winning any games. Defense is a complete disaster.

 

[Disappointed EP40]

I think we're obviously grasping for any meaningful change. Kassian should be an improvement if he can become a pro. We desperately need a serviceable Gazdic. Although I've liked Gaz this year he is probably still over his head when it comes to making plays with or without the puck. In any case improvement in the "player personnel" is essential.

Hamonic/dropping Schultz/Klefbom's injury (etc.) would obviously be more important discussions.




I've never liked Kassian too much.....maybe I did when he was a prospect in Buffalo but he never turned into a serviceable top 6 powerforward. He could still be developing.....I'm sure that is the upside. But as a player he never seemed to have the IQ to really impact the game....although I have not watched him enough to really care about this opinion one way or the other.

I'm fairly content to hope he becomes a serviceable 3rd liner with a mean streak. If its true that he is a presence in the locker room.....well that is a huge bonus for me.....I think our guys are too quiet....maybe Zack can bring a positive influence on that front.

1) 100% false. Plays intelligent puck possession game; Uses his linemates .

2) He already is this. By all accounts, stats, measures, he's a good 3rd liner. (With a mean streak.)

3) Weird to state opinions self admittedly are naive.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

1) 100% false. Plays intelligent puck possession game; Uses his linemates .

2) He already is this. By all accounts, stats, measures, he's a good 3rd liner. (With a mean streak.)

3) Weird to state opinions self admittedly are naive.

I havt heard your argument before and don't watch Kassian enough to understand what you're talking about.

My sense is that he has not lived up to his potential. Sorry. That won't change until he sticks as a top 6 power forward.

He is not already a 3rd liner. He is in the AHL.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I havt heard your argument before and don't watch Kassian enough to understand what you're talking about.

My sense is that he has not lived up to his potential. Sorry. That won't change until he sticks as a top 6 power forward.

He is not already a 3rd liner. He is in the AHL.

At his peak he was a good third liner. That's not the player he is right this second though.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

At his peak he was a good third liner. That's not the player he is right this second though.

At his peak he was a top 6 forward on a good team at 22-23 years old.

I've hated Kassian but he has promise if he stays out of trouble.

 

[McRobbiezyg]

At his peak he was a top 6 forward on a good team at 22-23 years old.

I've hated Kassian but he has promise if he stays out of trouble.

He was a top 6 forward on a good team because they traded for him to hopefully be their big power forward for the sedins... do you need me to list off all the players that did well playing with the sedins? This is not and was never a consistent top 6 player

 

[Draiskull]

I havt heard your argument before and don't watch Kassian enough to understand what you're talking about.

My sense is that he has not lived up to his potential. Sorry. That won't change until he sticks as a top 6 power forward.

He is not already a 3rd liner. He is in the AHL.

it is pretty clear that Kassian is not in the AHL because of his play.
He already is a 3rd liner in the NHL with almost 200 games under his belt.

 

[doulos]

it is pretty clear that Kassian is not in the AHL because of his play.
He already is a 3rd liner in the NHL with almost 200 games under his belt.

His production fell off in Vancouver, he took boneheaded penalties, and three different coaches felt they couldn't trust his play.

I'd say his play very much sent him to the AHL.

He might turn it around, but he has to put in the hard work and earn the trust back both on and off the ice. Even though I despise him, I'd love for him to put in a few solid seasons and prove me wrong about him because that would make the Oilers a better team.

I doubt it'll ever happen but I don't know much about much.

 

[Draiskull]

His production fell off in Vancouver, he took boneheaded penalties, and three different coaches felt they couldn't trust his play.

I'd say his play very much sent him to the AHL.

He might turn it around, but he has to put in the hard work and earn the trust back both on and off the ice. Even though I despise him, I'd love for him to put in a few solid seasons and prove me wrong about him because that would make the Oilers a better team.

I doubt it'll ever happen but I don't know much about much.

His play got him traded but has nothing to do with him being in AHL. He was going to make the opening night roster in MTL in their bottom 6.

Kassian hasnt figured his game out yet but he has no business playing in AHL if it was just based on his play. Legit NHLer trying to find his game.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Regardless of whether he is in the AHL because of play or attitude/lifestyle he still will only get up here and play up the lineup if X, Y, and Z happen.

My original take was that he has the potential to be an effective 3rd line player in the NHL and got randomly attacked for it.

In any case, I agree with draiskull that he clearly has hurdles to overcome. It's fine to be optimistic about it but some posters on here are just being realistic when they imply he will not be a top 9 player until he proves himself.

 

[Hoodaha]

Brossoit and Hunt were named to the AHL all star team.

 

[KenLinsemanFanClub]

Brossoit and Hunt were named to the AHL all star team.

Khaira headed back your way. Should help to have a larger body in the lineup. I think he has a shot at an NHL career but he still needs to get his offense going.

 

[lakai17]

Excited for Eetu to get some games in also.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

How's this for an AHL line? Moroz-Khaira-Kassian

They are giving the opposition fits and Moroz stapled someone to the boards pretty damn good. Someone then chased him down and took a penalty. IMO people writing Moroz off are really jumping the gun.

 

[doulos]

How's this for an AHL line? Moroz-Khaira-Kassian

They are giving the opposition fits and Moroz stapled someone to the boards pretty damn good. Someone then chased him down and took a penalty. IMO people writing Moroz off are really jumping the gun.

He basically provides no offense, even at the AHL level, so he'd have to crack the NHL as some kind of elite fourth liner or something wouldn't he? Does he have that in him?

 

[Bryanbryoil]

He basically provides no offense, even at the AHL level, so he'd have to crack the NHL as some kind of elite fourth liner or something wouldn't he? Does he have that in him?

He started slowly in the WHL too, IMO he'll break out at the AHL level either in the 2nd half of this season or next season.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Shutout for Laurikainen tonight.

Looks like the Oilers might just have two legitimate prospect goalies.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Shutout for Laurikainen tonight.

Looks like the Oilers might just have two legitimate prospect goalies.

He was very solid albeit the Condors carried the play in the 2nd and for most of the game. He looked confident in net though and the announcers said that he looked much better than the last time that they saw him in net.

 

[Towmater14]

He was very solid albeit the Condors carried the play in the 2nd and for most of the game. He looked confident in net though and the announcers said that he looked much better than the last time that they saw him in net.

I'm glad that he is back and playing some games. Getting rid of Scrivens was a good deal with or without Kassian coming this way.

 

[McAsuno]

Kassian being Kassian 1:20 in.