Prospect Info: 2015/16 Bakersfield Condors Thread

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ChaoticOrange

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Kassian with 4 shots and 4 PIM - Elbowing and tripping minors. LB standing on his head as per usual.

Im curious - what would a guy like Matt Ford have to do to get a call up? Poor guy has 400 AHL games and nary an NHL game to be found. Decent size at 6'1 207 and having a career year, albeit at 31.
 

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Kassian with 4 shots and 4 PIM - Elbowing and tripping minors. LB standing on his head as per usual.

Im curious - what would a guy like Matt Ford have to do to get a call up? Poor guy has 400 AHL games and nary an NHL game to be found. Decent size at 6'1 207 and having a career year, albeit at 31.

An NHL contract? I believe he is on an AHL only deal.
 

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We got doubled up in terms of shots and Brossoit stops 6 guys in a row in the shootout and this team still couldn't pull out the W for him. :shakehead
 

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Anyone watch and have some insight on Kassian's play? Finished +1 and had about 1 of every 5 shots on net the Barons registered. Not bad for not playing seeing game action for a very long time and with 4 PIMS it looks like he is in midseason form.:laugh:
 

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IMO for his first game back he played a good game, had a big hit and nearly scored and was involved most of the night.

His skating was better than I was expecting coming off the break so that's a positive.
 

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IMO for his first game back he played a good game, had a big hit and nearly scored and was involved most of the night.

His skating was better than I was expecting coming off the break so that's a positive.

That's good to hear. That's about all you could hope for in his 1st game back
 

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Talk about a dogs breakfast for Condors forwards. I'm hoping that Moroz and Kessy can become bottom 6 NHLers, beyond them and maybe Chase and Christoffer if he really steps up his game we have nothing down there in terms of possible future NHLers up front.
 

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Talk about a dogs breakfast for Condors forwards. I'm hoping that Moroz and Kessy can become bottom 6 NHLers, beyond them and maybe Chase and Christoffer if he really steps up his game we have nothing down there in terms of possible future NHLers up front.

Counting Platzer out at this point is not a wise thing to do. Not bad for a rookie to pro with limited 8cetime.
 

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Counting Platzer out at this point is not a wise thing to do. Not bad for a rookie to pro with limited 8cetime.

Was he even playing tonight? I don't recall hearing his name once. For that reason I assume that he wasn't playing.
 

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Talk about a dogs breakfast for Condors forwards. I'm hoping that Moroz and Kessy can become bottom 6 NHLers, beyond them and maybe Chase and Christoffer if he really steps up his game we have nothing down there in terms of possible future NHLers up front.

This is why it concerns me to see all the armchair GMs here talking so cavalierly about trading our draft picks. That's great we have McDavid... but you can't strip mine all of the future just to try and leverage some success now. We still have to have reserves and keep looking forward. I really hate that mentality, mortgaging the future for the immediate.
 

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Talk about a dogs breakfast for Condors forwards. I'm hoping that Moroz and Kessy can become bottom 6 NHLers, beyond them and maybe Chase and Christoffer if he really steps up his game we have nothing down there in terms of possible future NHLers up front.

That team is badly missing Josh Winquist.
 

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This is why it concerns me to see all the armchair GMs here talking so cavalierly about trading our draft picks. That's great we have McDavid... but you can't strip mine all of the future just to try and leverage some success now. We still have to have reserves and keep looking forward. I really hate that mentality, mortgaging the future for the immediate.

there's always reasons not to do a move. By your logic, if we already had a player like Byfuglien in the lineup, we should trade him for picks. If you wouldn't, then why not trade some picks and get a player now?

I think it is as simple as saying our NHL team is too young and has too much depth, and that makes draft picks expendable right now. Sure it would be preferable to keep them, but every potential moves carries some sacrifice

Plus, if we make our team better by getting key players, we can sign up UFA prospects like we did with Schultz or Detroit did with Dekeyser, or we can trade for young players. Trades become easier when the team gets more short term success, because it boosts everyone's stats
 

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So no Platzer, Miller, or Slepyshev out there tonight so the Condors were missing most of their skill guys and it showed in the product on the ice. Most of the night was just us dumping the puck and chasing, not getting many good looks, more just throw pucks on net and chase after the rebounds. Brossoit was great as per usual.

Scouting report on Kassian, his skating looked about as good as it ever has, endurance wise he seemed fine till late in the game where you could see he was less energetic and looked a bit winded at times, he saw a lot of ice-time. His hands are a bit off, but not too bad, his shot was off, putting it well wide on a couple of scoring attempts. His timing was a bit off and wasn't in sync with his teammates, occasional offside or accidentally bumping into a teammate. He cheated towards offense over defense more then I would like, he was looking to get sprung for an odd man break the other way a lot of the night. He worked the half wall on the powerplay which was surprising to me since I figured he'd play infront of the net which would likely be his role in Edmonton, but injuries also could of factored in here. His playmaking skills appeared to be better than I remember them being he created a handful of good scoring chances. He also seemed to do a good job of shielding the puck and finding a way to make a play even while being under pressure. He played more of a skill game than a heavy game tonight, but given the line-up we iced it was kind of required of him.

Overall Kassian looked quite good for the amount of time he missed, one more weekend in the AHL and he could be ready for the call-up. On a side note I'd really like management to throw the farm team a bone and pick someone up or trade for someone to help the farm team, the guys are playing hard for each other and Brossoit is doing all he can, but I don't think it's enough given the skill deficit they tend to be walking into.
 

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That team is badly missing Josh Winquist.

And a healthy Pitlick, and Khaira, and Pakarinen. What looked like a dominant force at season beginning is now arguably one of the weaker teams in the league. I guess that's to be expected when you lose two guys of Draisatl and Nurse's caliber.

Glad to see Matt Ford producing at the level he is. One of the good guys who deserves it, wish he would have gotten a taste of NHL action at some point in the earlier part of his career, but for now he is what he is. A proven leader and a very, very good AHLer. Great role model for the younger guys.
 

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This is why it concerns me to see all the armchair GMs here talking so cavalierly about trading our draft picks. That's great we have McDavid... but you can't strip mine all of the future just to try and leverage some success now. We still have to have reserves and keep looking forward. I really hate that mentality, mortgaging the future for the immediate.

Agreed, especially in a cap world where it's essential to build with cheap homegrown talent. Considering that the Oilers blew just about every draft pick last draft on two players who are currently making minimal positive contribution on the roster, it becomes more important to restock the cupboards in this upcoming draft.

The one exception would be if they win the lottery, I would try to leverage that pick with a plus to get a legit top pairing Dman.
Otherwise, the prospect pool needs to be restocked. It's pretty much a barren wasteland compared to most other teams.

It's good to see that Kassian is playing well. I think it's a very worthwhile risk taken by Chia and I'm a bit surprised that no team plucked him off of waivers despite the off ice issues, it's not like he has a boat anchor contract or is a bad player.
 

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So no Platzer, Miller, or Slepyshev out there tonight so the Condors were missing most of their skill guys and it showed in the product on the ice. Most of the night was just us dumping the puck and chasing, not getting many good looks, more just throw pucks on net and chase after the rebounds. Brossoit was great as per usual.

Scouting report on Kassian, his skating looked about as good as it ever has, endurance wise he seemed fine till late in the game where you could see he was less energetic and looked a bit winded at times, he saw a lot of ice-time. His hands are a bit off, but not too bad, his shot was off, putting it well wide on a couple of scoring attempts. His timing was a bit off and wasn't in sync with his teammates, occasional offside or accidentally bumping into a teammate. He cheated towards offense over defense more then I would like, he was looking to get sprung for an odd man break the other way a lot of the night. He worked the half wall on the powerplay which was surprising to me since I figured he'd play infront of the net which would likely be his role in Edmonton, but injuries also could of factored in here. His playmaking skills appeared to be better than I remember them being he created a handful of good scoring chances. He also seemed to do a good job of shielding the puck and finding a way to make a play even while being under pressure. He played more of a skill game than a heavy game tonight, but given the line-up we iced it was kind of required of him.

Overall Kassian looked quite good for the amount of time he missed, one more weekend in the AHL and he could be ready for the call-up. On a side note I'd really like management to throw the farm team a bone and pick someone up or trade for someone to help the farm team, the guys are playing hard for each other and Brossoit is doing all he can, but I don't think it's enough given the skill deficit they tend to be walking into.

I'm sympathetic because in OKC we went through the same thing last season. Due to call ups and injuries we fell from first in the entire west conference to almost out of the playoffs for a short time. It was so bad Nelson, who was already interim HC in EDM at that time put it nicely, he said "as much as it hurts to say, they were playing hard but it just happened to get to the point that they just weren't talented enough or good enough to win many games." The effort was there, and they were competitive, but lacked the skill sadly to put away games and generate much.
 

Bryanbryoil

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This is why it concerns me to see all the armchair GMs here talking so cavalierly about trading our draft picks. That's great we have McDavid... but you can't strip mine all of the future just to try and leverage some success now. We still have to have reserves and keep looking forward. I really hate that mentality, mortgaging the future for the immediate.

That and we need to make our picks count. I'd still be willing to move a 1st or 2nd this year or even both for a top pairing RHD but beyond that I agree we need to start drafting wiser and guys with higher upsides. Right now we have a number of possible future bottom 6 guys in Kessy, Moroz, and Khaira, we could use at least 1 or 2 guys with some upside to fill in for some skill down the road.

Both Platzer and Slepyshev were scratches

And Miller was out too apparently.

So no Platzer, Miller, or Slepyshev out there tonight so the Condors were missing most of their skill guys and it showed in the product on the ice. Most of the night was just us dumping the puck and chasing, not getting many good looks, more just throw pucks on net and chase after the rebounds. Brossoit was great as per usual.

Scouting report on Kassian, his skating looked about as good as it ever has, endurance wise he seemed fine till late in the game where you could see he was less energetic and looked a bit winded at times, he saw a lot of ice-time. His hands are a bit off, but not too bad, his shot was off, putting it well wide on a couple of scoring attempts. His timing was a bit off and wasn't in sync with his teammates, occasional offside or accidentally bumping into a teammate. He cheated towards offense over defense more then I would like, he was looking to get sprung for an odd man break the other way a lot of the night. He worked the half wall on the powerplay which was surprising to me since I figured he'd play infront of the net which would likely be his role in Edmonton, but injuries also could of factored in here. His playmaking skills appeared to be better than I remember them being he created a handful of good scoring chances. He also seemed to do a good job of shielding the puck and finding a way to make a play even while being under pressure. He played more of a skill game than a heavy game tonight, but given the line-up we iced it was kind of required of him.

Overall Kassian looked quite good for the amount of time he missed, one more weekend in the AHL and he could be ready for the call-up. On a side note I'd really like management to throw the farm team a bone and pick someone up or trade for someone to help the farm team, the guys are playing hard for each other and Brossoit is doing all he can, but I don't think it's enough given the skill deficit they tend to be walking into.

Even more than the weekend a week of practice would do wonders for him. I'd say that he's a week or two away though for 4th line NHL duty.
 

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Agreed, especially in a cap world where it's essential to build with cheap homegrown talent. Considering that the Oilers blew just about every draft pick last draft on two players who are currently making minimal positive contribution on the roster, it becomes more important to restock the cupboards in this upcoming draft.

The one exception would be if they win the lottery, I would try to leverage that pick with a plus to get a legit top pairing Dman.
Otherwise, the prospect pool needs to be restocked. It's pretty much a barren wasteland compared to most other teams.

It's good to see that Kassian is playing well. I think it's a very worthwhile risk taken by Chia and I'm a bit surprised that no team plucked him off of waivers despite the off ice issues, it's not like he has a boat anchor contract or is a bad player.

I still am very skeptical of Kassian's future contribution, we shall see I guess. I wonder if this is a guy who can keep his nose out of trouble off the ice, and I admit I'm more than a little concerned that it will cause issues if he falls off, again. Regarding his on-ice play -- I always thought that was his problem, consistency? He's a guy who just doesn't bring it consistently enough (to be fair, it's an issue for most young players but he is already nearing the stage where he'd be considered mid-career, and if he hasn't learned or turned the corner by then....).
 
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