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WJC: 2015 — Russia Roster Talk

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Crimson Skorpion said:
Team Russia World Junior Preview: Players to Watch
http://lastwordonsports.com/2014/12/16/team-russia-world-junior-preview-players-watch/
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Thanks for a perfect example of why Russia is underrated. Ppl in NA have no idea about russian players. The article has no input whatsoever on players not already known in NA.

1.Not mentioning Shesterkin is absurd.

2.The Sorokin part is outdated. He was a starter, struggled then. Doesn't mean much though on that team. His stats are still close to Bobrovsky's back in the day.

3.It's Rushan Rafikov.

4.They'll learn a thing or two about Gavrikov after the WJC I think.

5.Tkachev might not be there. Zykov won't.

6.Mamin, Sharov, Golyshev? Yeah, they never heard of them.
 
Atas2000 said:
Thanks for a perfect example of why Russia is underrated. Ppl in NA have no idea about russian players. The article has no input whatsoever on players not already known in NA.

1.Not mentioning Shesterkin is absurd.

2.The Sorokin part is outdated. He was a starter, struggled then. Doesn't mean much though on that team. His stats are still close to Bobrovsky's back in the day.

3.It's Rushan Rafikov.

4.They'll learn a thing or two about Gavrikov after the WJC I think.

5.Tkachev might not be there. Zykov won't.

6.Mamin, Sharov, Golyshev? Yeah, they never heard of them.
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haha, you're completely right.

The way this article was written is apparent. Writer, with zero expertise on Russian prospects, looks up which of the participating players were drafted by NHL teams (and those that are rated high for the upcoming draft). Proceeds to write generic profiles about them.
 
I expect something like this.

Leshchenko - Kamenev - Buchnevich
Okulov - Barbashev - Tolchinskiy
Goldobin - Sharov - Mamin
Bryukvin - Fischenko - Dergachyov
Tkachev/Golyshev

Rafikov - Yudin
Provorov - Valiev
Gavrikov - Vereshchagin
Paygin / Sharipzyanov

Leshchenko can be demoted to the bottom-6 later. And maybe Kamenev too.
I'm not a big fan of Golyshev for some reason, but he's great in the KHL.
And maybe i'm overrating Okulov. Bryukvin is a hardworking guy and also can score.

Another option

Goldobin - Barbashev - Buchnevich
Golyshev - Kamenev - Tolchinskiy
Leshchenko - Sharov - Mamin
Bryukvin - Fischenko - Dergachyov
Tkachev/Okulov
 
Flynn84 said:
I expect something like this.

Leshchenko - Kamenev - Buchnevich
Okulov - Barbashev - Tolchinskiy
Goldobin - Sharov - Mamin
Bryukvin - Fischenko - Dergachyov
Tkachev/Golyshev

Rafikov - Yudin
Provorov - Valiev
Gavrikov - Vereshchagin
Paygin / Sharipzyanov

Leshchenko can be demoted to the bottom-6 later. And maybe Kamenev too.
I'm not a big fan of Golyshev for some reason, but he's great in the KHL.
And maybe i'm overrating Okulov. Bryukvin is a hardworking guy and also can score.

Another option

Goldobin - Barbashev - Buchnevich
Golyshev - Kamenev - Tolchinskiy
Leshchenko - Sharov - Mamin
Bryukvin - Fischenko - Dergachyov
Tkachev/Okulov
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Well the first one is waaaaay off. On the 2nd why should Leschenko play with Sharov and Mamin? Looks wrong.
 
Lines from training camp in Russia:

"red": Vyacheslav Leshenko - Vladislav Kamenev - Paul Buchnevich, Rushan Rafikov - Dmitry Yudin.

"yellow" Vladimir Bryukvin - Alexander Sharov - Maxim Mamin, Nikita Cherepanov - Ziyat Paygin.

"blue": Anatoly Golyshev - Konstantin Okulov - Egor Morozov, Vladislav Gavrikov - Yuri Pautov.

"black" Artem Penkovsky - Ivan Fischenko - Alexander Dergachov, Ivan Vereshchagin - Nikolai Glukhov.

"white" Ilya Korenev - Paul Kraskovsky - Mokshantsev Alexander, Alexander Bryntsev - Mikhail Tikhonov.
 
Flynn84 said:
Lines from training camp in Russia:

"red": Vyacheslav Leshenko - Vladislav Kamenev - Paul Buchnevich, Rushan Rafikov - Dmitry Yudin.

"yellow" Vladimir Bryukvin - Alexander Sharov - Maxim Mamin, Nikita Cherepanov - Ziyat Paygin.

"blue": Anatoly Golyshev - Konstantin Okulov - Egor Morozov, Vladislav Gavrikov - Yuri Pautov.

"black" Artem Penkovsky - Ivan Fischenko - Alexander Dergachov, Ivan Vereshchagin - Nikolai Glukhov.

"white" Ilya Korenev - Paul Kraskovsky - Mokshantsev Alexander, Alexander Bryntsev - Mikhail Tikhonov.
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Goldobin hurt?
 
Atas2000 said:
1.He is a big center. There will be a number of smaller wingers(like Tolchinsky) there which it would be logical to put him together. Buchnevich is not one of them.

2.He is still a 18y.o.. I doubt he'll be seen as a most experienced guy, unless he proves his KHL experience puts him above maybe some CHL of MHL guys.

3.There is a number of kids there who can become leaders on the offence(that's why ppl underrate the russian team. They are well forgotten names like Tolchinsky or guys from Russia nobody heard about in NA like the Sharov-Mamin duo). Kamenev is one one of them while being one the prominent names just due to the fact he's drafted in the NHL.

4.Bragin does juggle lines a lot, so anything can happen. Buit I think he relies on spreading not so much the talent but different skills. He's put Leschenko on the top line one time to add a hard working bigger guy to do the dirty work. Expect Bragin to have a "hero line" out there in critical situations like he did with Tarasenko and Kuznetsov back then. Who will earn a spot on that "hero line" is in the stars for now.

5.It's pretty tough to compare right now the game of the top guys on this squad in the KHL. Buchnevich is piling up points, but on a bad team where he's relied upon as one of the leaders. Kamenev is the championship squad getting 10 mins. of ice time, which is appropriate for a 18y.o. and having real superstars on the team. And I think working with Iron Mike is a great experience for Kamenev.
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Thanks very much, I appreciate the insight. :handclap:

Makes sense that as an 18-year-old he has more to prove on a team like this.
 
Flynn84 said:
Ok, can you be more specific? :)


Who must play with these guys? What do you think?
UPD. I suppose it can be Bryukvin. Leshenko to 4th line.
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Especially Tkachev and Golyshev being spare forwards. If Tkachev is in, he is offence only. He works on the scoring line with Barbashev or he is out. Golashev will probably be one of the scoring lines too. Apparently Leschenko is for starters considered for the first line as "Kulemin" of sorts. A guy for the dirty work who can chip some in with great linemates and will help them where they are not so great(boards, defence, puck retrieval, screens). This can change though if it's not working in games.
 
Flynn84 said:
Lines from training camp in Russia:

"red": Vyacheslav Leshenko - Vladislav Kamenev - Paul Buchnevich, Rushan Rafikov - Dmitry Yudin.

"yellow" Vladimir Bryukvin - Alexander Sharov - Maxim Mamin, Nikita Cherepanov - Ziyat Paygin.

"blue": Anatoly Golyshev - Konstantin Okulov - Egor Morozov, Vladislav Gavrikov - Yuri Pautov.

"black" Artem Penkovsky - Ivan Fischenko - Alexander Dergachov, Ivan Vereshchagin - Nikolai Glukhov.

"white" Ilya Korenev - Paul Kraskovsky - Mokshantsev Alexander, Alexander Bryntsev - Mikhail Tikhonov.
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Still tough to predict anything because Goldobin wasn't there yet and the CHL guys might fit in nearly everywhere.
 
First Blood said:
Any word on goalie? I am really pulling for Sorokin since he is an Islander spec
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Sorokin will have to prove his current form in the exhibition game he gets. Bragin explicitly said he wants to have one starter(but has two pretty even guys instead). So he'll let them play for it.
 
Fantomas said:
Eh? He might make it, but lock? Give your head a shake.
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I hope no way in hell he gets on there.

Atas -Mamin is terrible, Golyshev had an atrocious summer camp. Sharov, he is the only shiny guy there.

Tkachev sb a lock 100% Keep in mind Bragin is not Varnakov, he will risk a little more on the offense. Ive been watching Tolchinsky very close as well since the super series and he's lifted his game to new levels. I am sure he will have an excellent camp and make the team.
 
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malkinfan said:
No chance lol.

Atas -Mamin is terrible, Golyshev had an atrocious summer camp. Sharov, he is the only shiny guy there.

Tkachev sb a lock 100% Keep in mind Bragin is not Varnakov, he will risk a little more on the offense. Ive been watching Tolchinsky very close as well since the super series and he's lifted his game to new levels. I am sure he will have an excellent camp and make the team.
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There's no way Tkachyov is a lock right now. He needs a very impressive showing in camp to make this team.

Remember during summer camp Bragin needed to replace Tkachyov on the Barbashev-Buchnevich line because he was sucking and bringing everybody down. That line was much more effective once Leschenko took Tkachyov's spot. And I don't see anywhere in the line-up Tkachyov will fit apart from on Barbashev's wing.
 
malkinfan said:
I hope no way in hell he gets on there.

Atas -Mamin is terrible, Golyshev had an atrocious summer camp. Sharov, he is the only shiny guy there.

Tkachev sb a lock 100% Keep in mind Bragin is not Varnakov, he will risk a little more on the offense. Ive been watching Tolchinsky very close as well since the super series and he's lifted his game to new levels. I am sure he will have an excellent camp and make the team.
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You seem to be very strongly biased on several things.

1.Mamin terrible? I saw him play in the KHL. He's not. He actually impressed me.

2.Golyshev is a junior just like everybody else on that squad. Since having "an atroicious summer camp" as you might see it he's had a very solid KHL campaign. He might be inconsistent at times, but it's up to the coaching staff to decide if he's in shape now. They have a first person look at him right now.

3.I get it Tkachev is a lock for you. That doesn't mean he's a lock for the coach. He's a talented kid, but whether you like it or not, he's small and I saw him fail because of it. And he has an overblown ego which might get in his way if he's struggling. Also he's only suited for a scoring line role. If he struggles, you can't give him a different assignment. Btw he comes of an injury if I remember correctly. If he's not 100% I don't want him on the roster anyway.

4.I'd take Tolchinsky over Tkachev any day. Question is do we need them both on the roster?

5.I see you are also one of those ppl who enjoy brazilian hockey. It is enjoyable indeed. I'm not going to compare Bragin to Varnakov, but Varnakov did great things to the team, taught them some disciplined grown ups hockey instead of going for win or bust strategies.
 
Flynn84 said:
I expect something like this.

Leshchenko - Kamenev - Buchnevich
Okulov - Barbashev - Tolchinskiy
Goldobin - Sharov - Mamin
Bryukvin - Fischenko - Dergachyov
Tkachev/Golyshev

Rafikov - Yudin
Provorov - Valiev
Gavrikov - Vereshchagin
Paygin / Sharipzyanov

Leshchenko can be demoted to the bottom-6 later. And maybe Kamenev too.
I'm not a big fan of Golyshev for some reason, but he's great in the KHL.
And maybe i'm overrating Okulov. Bryukvin is a hardworking guy and also can score.

Another option

Goldobin - Barbashev - Buchnevich
Golyshev - Kamenev - Tolchinskiy
Leshchenko - Sharov - Mamin
Bryukvin - Fischenko - Dergachyov
Tkachev/Okulov
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Interesting. This might work. Of course none of us know what Bragin will decide upon.
 
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