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Fantomas said:
Your rudeness is out of the blue here. I wasn't surprised by the decision. Simply reacting to earlier reports where the Sabres clearly said they were considering releasing him.

I like the WJCs, so they matter to me. I enjoy watching them more than the Olympics personally.
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Sorry, mate, wasn't meant to be rude, but you will agree that for most fans the big teams matter more than juniors. Juniors are fun to watch, but I'd rather see other guys compete than the obvious suspects. Russia's depth is growing and I hope that will show.
 
Atas2000 said:
Sorry, mate, wasn't meant to be rude, but you will agree that for most fans the big teams matter more than juniors. Juniors are fun to watch, but I'd rather see other guys compete than the obvious suspects. Russia's depth is growing and I hope that will show.
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Hope so too, although I am not sure who the primary pointman is supposed to be here. I guess Rafikov.
 
Dynamo81 said:
So, on paper where do you guys think this team stands compared to 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 ?

It will certainly be coached better than under Varnakov.
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It will certainly not be better coached than under Varnakov. This stupid religion is annoying.
 
Atas2000 said:
It will certainly not be better coached than under Varnakov. This stupid religion is annoying.
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I agree that Bragin won't work any miracles, but I was dissatisfied with the job that Varnakov did, particularly in Ufa. I thought the 2013 team should have done better than Bronze. Whether it was politics or just an assessment of his performance that got Varnakov thrown out, I can't disagree with the conclusion that he didn't give the impression that he could lead the team to a Gold Medal.
 
Yakushev72 said:
I agree that Bragin won't work any miracles, but I was dissatisfied with the job that Varnakov did, particularly in Ufa. I thought the 2013 team should have done better than Bronze. Whether it was politics or just an assessment of his performance that got Varnakov thrown out, I can't disagree with the conclusion that he didn't give the impression that he could lead the team to a Gold Medal.
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Ad you are all wrong with that. Again, it's religios, you can't argue against it. Bill=bad, Varankov=bad, blah.

Varnakov's team has played what they could play. He's had the cast and he did what he could. Bronze is not a failure.
 
subby76 said:
Would have thought Svechnikov had a chance to crack the line up
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Being a late-1996, he just isn't good enough for a scoring role on this team. There are better 1995s at the moment.

I'd expect Svechnikov will play a huge role next year though.
 
Atas2000 said:
Ad you are all wrong with that. Again, it's religios, you can't argue against it. Bill=bad, Varankov=bad, blah.

Varnakov's team has played what they could play. He's had the cast and he did what he could. Bronze is not a failure.
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It's true though. Varnakov's workman-like system isn't the greatest fit for ultra-skilled guys, but he can work wonders with a team full of Skladnichenko's, Busarov's and Zykov's.

-Bronze in Ufa was a failure.
-Last year's bronze (with a thin 1994 generation) was class coaching.
 
Zine said:
It's true though. Varnakov's workman-like system isn't the greatest fit for ultra-skilled guys, but he can work wonders with a team full of Skladnichenko's, Busarov's and Zykov's.

-Bronze in Ufa was a failure.
-Last year's bronze (with a thin 1994 generation) was class coaching.
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In a tournament where one game decides all bronze is never a failure. The've lost one! of the do or die games, so what?
 
kp61c said:
Buchnevich - Barbashev - Goldobin
Tolchinsky - Kamenev - Golyshev
Leschenko - Sharov - Mamin
????? - ?????? - ??????

yep, all looks are here, after a couple of games i expect kamenev to be demoted to the fourth line
and the fourth'll be:
penkovskiy/zykov - fischenko - morozov/dergachev
would like to see okulov, but he's smallish and burying him among these grinders on the third and fourth line'd be a travesty.
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Why do you expect Kamenev to be demoted? Not a coach's favourite, or is he just not that good?
 
DoctorDoak said:
Why do you expect Kamenev to be demoted? Not a coach's favourite, or is he just not that good?
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Why do you think the team should be built that simple? Being on a different line is no demotion. The coach builds lines that are supposed to work. Even if Kamenev was a clear no.1 center which he is not, that doesn't mean he has to play with Buchnevich or anybody else particular.

There will be 3 even lines there. And that's how it should be. Being on the ine with Tolchinsky and Golyshev for example is definitely not what would prevent him from showing his offensive skills.
 
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Glukhov, Tikhonov, Pautov, Mokshantsev and Penkovsky are out. The remaining candidates will fly to Canada on the 17th where they'll be joined by the CHLers. Final cuts to be made after the exhibition vs Finland on the 21st.


Goalkeepers:
Denis Kostin
Ilya Sorokin
Igor Shestyorkin

Defenders:
Alexander Bryntsev
Rinat Valiyev
Ivan Vereshchagin
Vladislav Gavrikov
Ziyat Paygin
Ivan Provorov
Rushan Rafikov
Nikita Cherepanov
Damir Sharipzyanov
Dmitry Yudin

Forwards:
Ivan Barbashev
Vladimir Bryukvin
Pavel Buchnevich
Nikolai Goldobin
Anatoly Golyshev
Alexander Dergachyov
Vladislav Kamenev
Ilya Korenev
Pavel Kraskovsky
Vyacheslav Leschenko
Maxim Mamin
Yegor Morozov
Konstantin Okulov
Vladimir Tkachyov
Sergei Tolchinsky
Ivan Fischenko
Alexander Sharov
 
Zine said:
Glukhov, Tikhonov, Pautov, Mokshantsev and Penkovsky are out. The remaining candidates will fly to Canada on the 17th where they'll be joined by the CHLers. Final cuts to be made after the exhibition vs Finland on the 21st.


Goalkeepers:
Denis Kostin
Ilya Sorokin
Igor Shestyorkin

Defenders:
Alexander Bryntsev
Rinat Valiyev
Ivan Vereshchagin
Vladislav Gavrikov
Ziyat Paygin
Ivan Provorov
Rushan Rafikov
Nikita Cherepanov
Damir Sharipzyanov
Dmitry Yudin

Forwards:
Ivan Barbashev
Vladimir Bryukvin
Pavel Buchnevich
Nikolai Goldobin
Anatoly Golyshev
Alexander Dergachyov
Vladislav Kamenev
Ilya Korenev
Pavel Kraskovsky
Vyacheslav Leschenko
Maxim Mamin
Yegor Morozov
Konstantin Okulov
Vladimir Tkachyov
Sergei Tolchinsky
Ivan Fischenko
Alexander Sharov
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Looks like the young will get a chance on D. All obvious cuts except for Glukhov.
 
Atas2000 said:
Why do you think the team should be built that simple? Being on a different line is no demotion. The coach builds lines that are supposed to work. Even if Kamenev was a clear no.1 center which he is not, that doesn't mean he has to play with Buchnevich or anybody else particular.

There will be 3 even lines there. And that's how it should be. Being on the ine with Tolchinsky and Golyshev for example is definitely not what would prevent him from showing his offensive skills.
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I didn't mean to criticize the idea of him being on the 4th line - you yourself used the word "demoted" in the post I was responding to, which generally has a negative association.

I just haven't seen much of his play and it seemed like you have, so I was hoping for some insight. Do you think his game is better suited to the 4th line on this team? Is he well-suited to being deployed in a defensive role?
 
Atas2000 said:
Ad you are all wrong with that. Again, it's religios, you can't argue against it. Bill=bad, Varankov=bad, blah.

Varnakov's team has played what they could play. He's had the cast and he did what he could. Bronze is not a failure.
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I assume by "religious," you mean religious devotion to Bragin. No, I criticized Bragin after 2012 because of his defensive scheme, but then along came Varnakov, whose defensive strategy was even worse. His strategy of sacrificing the blue line and collapsing the defense and forwards down low around the net was an unmitigated disaster! Even the worst team in the tournament, Germany, registered 50 shots on goal in Ufa. Yeah, shots on goal is not necessarily a definitive statistic, but when you willingly allow forwards and defenseman to penetrate so close to the goalie that he can smell their breath, and then let them cycle around at will and just blast shots over and over again, some of the shots are going to bounce in! Even worse, you've got your skill players like Yakupov and Grigorenko trapped in the defensive zone desperately trying to clear pucks. What a stupid strategy!

In Ufa and in Malmo, the Bronze medal games were characterized by constant Canadian pressure around the Russian net, only to be unexpectedly countered by great individual performances to achieve what seemed like fortunate wins. In both games, Canada was better at forward and defense, but Russia was much better in goal, especially in Malmo where Vasilevski was just sick in goal. Nichushkin's magnificent play in Ufa and Vasilevski almost by himself (plus a lot of help from uncharacteristically bad Canadian goaltending) was the difference between Bronze and 4th place for Russia in both 2013 and 2014.

The only evidence that I saw of good coaching by Varnakov was in the Semi in Malmo, but even then the result was a loss and elimination from Gold and Silver contention. IMO, there was no rational basis for the RHF to conclude that Varnakov was going to lead the way to Gold or Silver. In lieu of anyone else, going back to Bragin seemed like the right move. After all, I will match Bragin's Gold/Silver to Varnakov's Bronze/Bronze.

As for Coach Bill, his record speaks for itself! Russia literally did not play one single strong game in Sochi under his direction. The games against Slovenia, Slovakia and Norway were seriously in doubt until late in the 3rd Quarter. I thought the RHF showed restraint by waiting until after the 3rd Period of the Quarterfinal game against Finland had expired before firing him. They had every right to fire him after the 1st Period for the disgraceful job he did in that game with the entire nation's eyes on his team. If it is possible to do a worse job than what Coach Bill did, I would love to hear the explanation.
 
Zine said:
Glukhov, Tikhonov, Pautov, Mokshantsev and Penkovsky are out. The remaining candidates will fly to Canada on the 17th where they'll be joined by the CHLers. Final cuts to be made after the exhibition vs Finland on the 21st.


Goalkeepers:
Denis Kostin
Ilya Sorokin
Igor Shestyorkin

Defenders:
Alexander Bryntsev
Rinat Valiyev
Ivan Vereshchagin
Vladislav Gavrikov
Ziyat Paygin
Ivan Provorov
Rushan Rafikov
Nikita Cherepanov
Damir Sharipzyanov
Dmitry Yudin

Forwards:
Ivan Barbashev
Vladimir Bryukvin
Pavel Buchnevich
Nikolai Goldobin
Anatoly Golyshev
Alexander Dergachyov
Vladislav Kamenev
Ilya Korenev
Pavel Kraskovsky
Vyacheslav Leschenko
Maxim Mamin
Yegor Morozov
Konstantin Okulov
Vladimir Tkachyov
Sergei Tolchinsky
Ivan Fischenko
Alexander Sharov
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Surprised that Glukhov didn't make it, I thought he was pretty good in recent KHL games. By the way, it was also mentioned that Zykov is out too, as he can't recover in time.
 
DoctorDoak said:
I didn't mean to criticize the idea of him being on the 4th line - you yourself used the word "demoted" in the post I was responding to, which generally has a negative association.

I just haven't seen much of his play and it seemed like you have, so I was hoping for some insight. Do you think his game is better suited to the 4th line on this team? Is he well-suited to being deployed in a defensive role?
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1.He is a big center. There will be a number of smaller wingers(like Tolchinsky) there which it would be logical to put him together. Buchnevich is not one of them.

2.He is still a 18y.o.. I doubt he'll be seen as a most experienced guy, unless he proves his KHL experience puts him above maybe some CHL of MHL guys.

3.There is a number of kids there who can become leaders on the offence(that's why ppl underrate the russian team. They are well forgotten names like Tolchinsky or guys from Russia nobody heard about in NA like the Sharov-Mamin duo). Kamenev is one one of them while being one the prominent names just due to the fact he's drafted in the NHL.

4.Bragin does juggle lines a lot, so anything can happen. Buit I think he relies on spreading not so much the talent but different skills. He's put Leschenko on the top line one time to add a hard working bigger guy to do the dirty work. Expect Bragin to have a "hero line" out there in critical situations like he did with Tarasenko and Kuznetsov back then. Who will earn a spot on that "hero line" is in the stars for now.

5.It's pretty tough to compare right now the game of the top guys on this squad in the KHL. Buchnevich is piling up points, but on a bad team where he's relied upon as one of the leaders. Kamenev is the championship squad getting 10 mins. of ice time, which is appropriate for a 18y.o. and having real superstars on the team. And I think working with Iron Mike is a great experience for Kamenev.
 
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