WJC: 2015 — Canada Roster Talk

[Get North]

Dude, you are about 10 years behind the times... European junior teams who are contenders for this tournament, i.e. Sweden, Finland and Russia, are just as big and just as likely to dish out the physical play as we are...the intimidation factor is a thing of the past.

Trust me, Canadians are the physical powerhouses. Especially against young Europeans who aren't used to constant physicality. I know it isn't the same as before but Canada dishes out punishment like no other nation. Remember against Ovechkin? He didn't even want to come out on the ice.

William Nylander is a softie, Andre Burakowsky is a softie, Jacob De La Rose is a softie, Jakub Vrana is a softie, David Pastrnak is a softie. But my two favourites, Goldobin and Scherbak, these boys are going to want to be the last ones to step on the ice.

You know they won't dish it out as much as we do. We're known for junkyard, skilled hockey. Get Ritchie-Bleackley-Virtanen out there and knock em through the boards.

 

[1Gold Standard]

Trust me, Canadians are the physical powerhouses. Especially against young Europeans who aren't used to constant physicality. I know it isn't the same as before but Canada dishes out punishment like no other nation. Remember against Ovechkin? He didn't even want to come out on the ice.

William Nylander is a softie, Andre Burakowsky is a softie, Jacob De La Rose is a softie, Jakub Vrana is a softie, David Pastrnak is a softie. But my two favourites, Goldobin and Scherbak, these boys are going to want to be the last ones to step on the ice.

You know they won't dish it out as much as we do. We're known for junkyard, skilled hockey. Get Ritchie-Bleackley-Virtanen out there and knock em through the boards.

Ya whatever. I haven't seen a Canadian team at the World Juniors play that hard physical skilled game since 05 and 06. Mostly I see inept coaching, little cohesive team play on both sides of the puck and the wrong players selected who are slotted into the wrong roles not to mention crappy goaltending... but you keep on believing we can pound the European teams into submission. It ain't the case anymore.

 

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Ya whatever. I haven't seen a Canadian team at the World Juniors play that hard physical skilled game since 05 and 06. Mostly I see inept coaching, little cohesive team play on both sides of the puck and the wrong players selected who are slotted into the wrong roles not to mention crappy goaltending... but you keep on believing we can pound the European teams into submission. It ain't the case anymore.

I disagree. Maybe it depends on how hard physical game you mean. I remember M.Foligno, Eakin, Cizikas and Gudbranson in 2011, and that's just an example of course. I think, and I agree with R.Ferraro, that Canada has always played a good physical game and it's definitely somethin that this nation is much more related to, then say Russia, or Sweden.

 

[1Gold Standard]

I disagree. Maybe it depends on how hard physical game you mean. I remember M.Foligno, Eakin, Cizikas and Gudbranson in 2011, and that's just an example of course. I think, and I agree with R.Ferraro, that Canada has always played a good physical game and it's definitely somethin that this nation is much more related to, then say Russia, or Sweden.

I'm not surprised you disagree.
but tell me again the result of that 2011 team... just curious. I seem to remember the Russians not being all that intimated by our "physical play".

And it was on N.American ice to boot. so much for your intimidation factor.

 

[Pen13]

He will most likely attend but not take part in any on-ice drills or play in any games. Another HC B.S. rule whereby to be eligible for the team and an invite to December camp, you have to attend the summer camp.

many kids who have not been at the summer camp have made the team

 

[1Gold Standard]

many kids who have not been at the summer camp have made the team

They have added on to their list based on league results leading up to December camp, but however they have made it clear in the past, that if a player passes on a summer camp invite, then he is ineligible for the December camp.

 

[Get North]

I'm not surprised you disagree.
but tell me again the result of that 2011 team... just curious. I seem to remember the Russians not being all that intimated by our "physical play".

And it was on N.American ice to boot. so much for your intimidation factor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpAQu5y4oO0

After this, I bet you many players in the tournament got intimidated. It was dirty but
I have never seen a U20 European do this, I bet they haven't seen this stuff live so you can tell they are starting to get a little afraid.

Canada wasn't big enough at 2011, Kassian, Couturier, Howden, Hamilton, Ashton, were the big bruisers on the team. We need a tough coach who knows how to play Canadian hockey, we lose the top players in the draft and previous drafts to the NHL so it takes decreases our skill level. We need to just hit those players every chance we get and play the Canadian way of hockey which is well known if you look around the successful NHL teams. Last year we had size but not alot of skill in the bottom 6, this year we can have Virtanen, Ritchie, Perlini, Bleackley, Lazar, Bennett, Dal Colle can all hit hard, play a skilled game compared to Gauthier, Rychel, Leier.

 

[1Gold Standard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpAQu5y4oO0

After this, I bet you many players in the tournament got intimidated. It was dirty but
I have never seen a U20 European do this, I bet they haven't seen this stuff live so you can tell they are starting to get a little afraid.

Canada wasn't big enough at 2011, Kassian, Couturier, Howden, Hamilton, Ashton, were the big bruisers on the team. We need a tough coach who knows how to play Canadian hockey, we lose the top players in the draft and previous drafts to the NHL so it takes decreases our skill level. We need to just hit those players every chance we get and play the Canadian way of hockey which is well known if you look around the successful NHL teams. Last year we had size but not alot of skill in the bottom 6, this year we can have Virtanen, Ritchie, Perlini, Bleackley, Lazar, Bennett, Dal Colle can all hit hard, play a skilled game compared to Gauthier, Rychel, Leier.

Or my personal favorite was for 2 consecutive years Boone Jenner running around playing a big man's "physical game" even injuring one or 2 in the process, but in the end what happened to him? left standing on the blue line at the end of the game sobbing like a 3 year old like somebody had just kicked sand in his face and stole his peanut butter sandwich. This was real intimidating I know.

And of the Canadian skill you talk about that is in the NHL and not released to the junior team, I grant you that, there is a lot and that is unfortunate, but HC needs to replace skill for skill, with skilled players 17 and 18 years old players, not some 19 year old lughead from the OHL whose only claim to fame is being 6'5 and 230lbs. The sooner HC realizes that the World Junior Tournament is a skill tournament and not an age tournament, the sooner we can get back to winning.

 

[Get North]

Or my personal favorite was for 2 consecutive years Boone Jenner running around playing a big man's "physical game" even injuring one or 2 in the process, but in the end what happened to him? left standing on the blue line at the end of the game sobbing like a 3 year old like somebody had just kicked sand in his face and stole his peanut butter sandwich. This was real intimidating I know.

And of the Canadian skill you talk about that is in the NHL and not released to the junior team, I grant you that, there is a lot and that is unfortunate, but HC needs to replace skill for skill, with skilled players 17 and 18 years old players, not some 19 year old lughead from the OHL whose only claim to fame is being 6'5 and 230lbs. The sooner HC realizes that the World Junior Tournament is a skill tournament and not an age tournament, the sooner we can get back to winning.

Feels like I'm arguing with a non-Canadian who's taking shots at Canada.

I agree with the 2nd point though. I don't know what Rychel, Gauthier, Anderson, Leier were doing at the World Juniors. Aren't skilled players more grinders type players. Get players with skill first, if they have size great if not that's fine. I think this year we have a good opportunity at the forward group brining success. Lots of big players with high skill levels.

Defence is a big concern for me, no #1 anchor back there. Not sure if Morriessey can go out and be what Pouliot was last year.

 

[1Gold Standard]

Feels like I'm arguing with a non-Canadian who's taking shots at Canada.

I agree with the 2nd point though. I don't know what Rychel, Gauthier, Anderson, Leier were doing at the World Juniors. Aren't skilled players more grinders type players. Get players with skill first, if they have size great if not that's fine. I think this year we have a good opportunity at the forward group brining success. Lots of big players with high skill levels.

Defence is a big concern for me, no #1 anchor back there. Not sure if Morriessey can go out and be what Pouliot was last year.

I take shots at Hockey Canada because, quite frankly, they deserve it. They are as inept as they are dumb..their record over the past 5 years on all levels, not counting Olympics, is abysmal. Remember the Olympic team is formed, selected and managed by NHL executives, not Hockey Canada personnel... I shudder to think what brainstorm Salmond and co will come up with this year...magic crystals.

Defense is not so much of a concern for me as is the right side d. Should be a plethora of left-handed d to choose from.

 

[Get North]

I take shots at Hockey Canada because, quite frankly, they deserve it. They are as inept as they are dumb..their record over the past 5 years on all levels, not counting Olympics, is abysmal. Remember the Olympic team is formed, selected and managed by NHL executives, not Hockey Canada personnel... I shutter to think what brainstorm Salmond and co will come up with this year...magic crystals.

Defense is not so much of a concern for me as is the right side d. Should be a plethora of left-handed d to choose from.

That's true can't even think of the last time we won a tournament other than the Olympics.

I guess the left side is fine and right side is the only concern for us.

 

[1Gold Standard]

That's true can't even think of the last time we won a tournament other than the Olympics.

I guess the left side is fine and right side is the only concern for us.

I only say the right side is a concern because Ekblad will most likely not be available...even though I don't believe he is yet ready to play in the NHL. But dumb-dumb GMs don't send their shiny new #1 overall picks back to junior...even though that would be best for his development.

 

[Zaddy]

Trust me, Canadians are the physical powerhouses. Especially against young Europeans who aren't used to constant physicality. I know it isn't the same as before but Canada dishes out punishment like no other nation. Remember against Ovechkin? He didn't even want to come out on the ice.

William Nylander is a softie, Andre Burakowsky is a softie, Jacob De La Rose is a softie, Jakub Vrana is a softie, David Pastrnak is a softie. But my two favourites, Goldobin and Scherbak, these boys are going to want to be the last ones to step on the ice.

You know they won't dish it out as much as we do. We're known for junkyard, skilled hockey. Get Ritchie-Bleackley-Virtanen out there and knock em through the boards.

That's a thing of the past. 4 years ago I would have probably agreed but the swedes are very accustomed to the way Canada is playing now and are doing the same thing to them. I saw it firsthand last year watching the pre-WJC games and the WJC itself on site. The swedes can be physical and mean too if they need to.

 

[Get North]

I only say the right side is a concern because Ekblad will most likely not be available...even though I don't believe he is yet ready to play in the NHL. But dumb-dumb GMs don't send their shiny new #1 overall picks back to junior...even though that would be best for his development.

Bowey, Bigras, McKeown, are probably going to be our 3 RHDs.

That's a thing of the past. 4 years ago I would have probably agreed but the swedes are very accustomed to the way Canada is playing now and are doing the same thing to them. I saw it firsthand last year watching the pre-WJC games and the WJC itself on site. The swedes can be physical and mean too if they need to.

Some Swedes are tough but I think less than more are physical players. Nylander, Burakovsky, De La Rose, Hagg, Wallmark, don't come to mind as tough players. Anton Karlsson is an example of a tough player but I still don't think they have enough to be known as a physical team. Some of there players can but most of them don't play that game. Being U20 and still being quite young, they'll have a hard time adjusting to the physicality like most times.

 

[1Gold Standard]

Bowey, Bigras, McKeown, are probably going to be our 3 RHDs.



Some Swedes are tough but I think less than more are physical players. Nylander, Burakovsky, De La Rose, Hagg, Wallmark, don't come to mind as tough players. Anton Karlsson is an example of a tough player but I still don't think they have enough to be known as a physical team. Some of there players can but most of them don't play that game, Kempe is a big kid haven't watched him too much but heard he's physical. Being U20 and still being quite young, they'll have a hard time adjusting to the physicality like most times.

Those would be my three in the absence of Ekblad... unless there is one of lefties who can play the right side...in which case I'd probably drop McKeown... which would be tough because I'd really like a 96 born D-man for the purposes of an experienced d-man returning the following year. but for now 2015 is a must win.

 

[Get North]

Those would be my three in the absence of Ekblad... unless there is one of lefties who can play the right side...in which case I'd probably drop McKeown... which would be tough because I'd really like a 96 born D-man for the purposes of an experienced d-man returning the following year. but for now 2015 is a must win.

I wonder if Jeremy Roy was ever considered, he's a skilled offensive RHD, or anybody from the 2015 draft like Ryan Pilon. Morrissey, Morin, Theodore are likely the LHDs. I also wonder about Fleury and Sanheim.

I hope Nurse can atleast come back, it leaves us weak if he doesn't.

 

[1Gold Standard]

I wonder if Jeremy Roy was ever considered, he's a skilled offensive RHD, or anybody from the 2015 draft like Ryan Pilon. Morrissey, Morin, Theodore are likely the LHDs. I also wonder about Fleury and Sanheim.

I hope Nurse can atleast come back, it leaves us weak if he doesn't.

A week ago I would have said that Nurse would be in Edmonton playing big minutes and therefore unavailable, but with the recent moves the Oilers have made it looks as though Nurse could be available...he may stay in Edmonton, but in a reduced role meaning the odds of him being released go up dramatically.

Love Roy, love his game and if he's deserving of spot, I'd say giggy up, but I think playing a limited role down the lineup wouldn't be a right fit for him. and I don't think he's quite at the level to beat out any of the 95s for a roster spot.

 

[Get North]

A week ago I would have said that Nurse would be in Edmonton playing big minutes and therefore unavailable, but with the recent moves the Oilers have made it looks as though Nurse could be available...he may stay in Edmonton, but in a reduced role meaning the odds of him being released go up dramatically.

Love Roy, love his game and if he's deserving of spot, I'd say giggy up, but I think playing a limited role down the lineup wouldn't be a right fit for him. and I don't think he's quite at the level to beat out any of the 95s for a roster spot.

Yeah it looks like he'll be back in junior if they don't move any of their defencemans.

I hope he makes it, he's a really dynamic defenceman and I think he'll improve his game at the beginning of season, possibly push a spot on Team Canada. I don't think he'll make it because Canada will pick 95s and 96s.

Here's something, we get to pick 7 defencemans. Most likely 4 LHDs and 3 RHDs, what LHDs so we pick? We got Morrissey, Morin, Theodore, Fleury, Nurse, Sanheim as the most likely picks. I think we go with Morrissey, Nurse, Fleury, Morin but Theodore is a nice OFD and with Derrick Pouliot's performance last year I think OFDs are becoming alot more valuable in junior.

 

[spacemanatee]

Trust me, Canadians are the physical powerhouses. Especially against young Europeans who aren't used to constant physicality. I know it isn't the same as before but Canada dishes out punishment like no other nation. Remember against Ovechkin? He didn't even want to come out on the ice.

William Nylander is a softie, Andre Burakowsky is a softie, Jacob De La Rose is a softie, Jakub Vrana is a softie, David Pastrnak is a softie. But my two favourites, Goldobin and Scherbak, these boys are going to want to be the last ones to step on the ice.

You know they won't dish it out as much as we do. We're known for junkyard, skilled hockey. Get Ritchie-Bleackley-Virtanen out there and knock em through the boards.

haha you just lost all your credibility right there bud. don't talk bout things you apparently don'e have a freakin clue about.

 

[Get North]

haha you just lost all your credibility right there bud. don't talk bout things you apparently don'e have a freakin clue about.

I've read reports of him having a edge to his game, hits alot but I didn't see anything in the world juniors.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

Trust me, Canadians are the physical powerhouses. Especially against young Europeans who aren't used to constant physicality. I know it isn't the same as before but Canada dishes out punishment like no other nation. Remember against Ovechkin? He didn't even want to come out on the ice.

William Nylander is a softie, Andre Burakowsky is a softie, Jacob De La Rose is a softie, Jakub Vrana is a softie, David Pastrnak is a softie. But my two favourites, Goldobin and Scherbak, these boys are going to want to be the last ones to step on the ice.

You know they won't dish it out as much as we do. We're known for junkyard, skilled hockey. Get Ritchie-Bleackley-Virtanen out there and knock em through the boards.

Canada hasn't made it out of the semi finals in four years and hasn't won since 2009. I have a feeling no one's scared.

 

[SH15]

Dal Colle (NYI)-McDavid (2015)-Petan (WPG)
Bennett (CGY)-Reinhart (BUF)-Lazar (OTT)
Domi (PHX)-Horvat (VAN)-Klimchuk (CGY)
Ritchie (ANH)-Gauthier (TOR)-Virtanen (VAN)
Fabbri (STL)

Nurse (EDM)-Bigras (COL)
Morrissey (WPG)-Theodore (ANH)
Fleury (CAR)-McKeown (LA)
Bowey (WSH)

Fucale (MON)
Comrie (WPG)

Not Available - WJC Eligible
MacKinnon (COL)
Ekblad (FLA)
Drouin (TB)
Monahan (CGY)

 

[Stats01]

Surprised Verhaeghe is not on that invite list..

Connor Brown v.2 Hockey Canada will regret not even inviting him. He's going to put up 100 points or near that mark next season with Niagara.

 

[Get North]

Canada hasn't made it out of the semi finals in four years and hasn't won since 2009. I have a feeling no one's scared.

We just weren't skilled enough. We got big kids with skill this year and that's why I think we will win gold. Some years we were playing overseas aswell so the toughness approach didn't work.

 

[SH15]

Nobody is 'scared' of Canada, that's just crazy talk. But Canada will be the favourite to win Gold on home ice next January.