WJC: 2015 — Canada Roster Talk

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Dal Colle (NYI)-McDavid (2015)-Petan (WPG)
Bennett (CGY)-Reinhart (BUF)-Lazar (OTT)
Domi (PHX)-Horvat (VAN)-Klimchuk (CGY)
Ritchie (ANH)-Gauthier (TOR)-Virtanen (VAN)
Fabbri (STL)

Nurse (EDM)-Bigras (COL)
Morrissey (WPG)-Theodore (ANH)
Fleury (CAR)-McKeown (LA)
Bowey (WSH)

Fucale (MON)
Comrie (WPG)

Not Available - WJC Eligible
MacKinnon (COL)
Ekblad (FLA)
Drouin (TB)
Monahan (CGY)


correct Monahan is not eligible, but unlike the others you have listed who have 95 birth years, Monahan is a 1994, thus ineligible due to age not b/c Calgary won't release him.

This year's tourny is for players born in 1995 (19 years old) or younger.
 
Dal Colle (NYI)-McDavid (2015)-Petan (WPG)
Bennett (CGY)-Reinhart (BUF)-Lazar (OTT)
Domi (PHX)-Horvat (VAN)-Klimchuk (CGY)
Ritchie (ANH)-Gauthier (TOR)-Virtanen (VAN)
Fabbri (STL)

Nurse (EDM)-Bigras (COL)
Morrissey (WPG)-Theodore (ANH)
Fleury (CAR)-McKeown (LA)
Bowey (WSH)

Fucale (MON)
Comrie (WPG)

Not Available - WJC Eligible
MacKinnon (COL)
Ekblad (FLA)
Drouin (TB)
Monahan (CGY)
What's the reason for leaving Morin?
 
What's the reason for leaving Morin?

I don't quite get your love affair with Morin. He should be a decent pro in a few years, but all those left side d-men in the roster are, at the moment, more deserving of a roster spot than is Morin.

I also do not have him on my roster and the only way I would include him is, in the absence of Ekblad and one of the other left side d-man moves over to play the right side, thus he moves up the depth chart..

The other shot he has would be due to Hockey Canada politics. The roster in question doesn't have the correct league representation ratio, i.e. only 2 players from the Q doesn't fly in Hockey Canada's world. So, look for that number to be closer to 5 with G GREGOIRE, A DUCLAIR and F GAUTHIER, all 3 of whom are on the summer invite list and will most likely be joining MORIN and FUCALE on the team come December.

IMO of those 5, only Fucale and Duclair are legitimate NT players.

My roster includes only 1 player from the Q. Fucale. Obviously if Drouin and Mackinnon were available, they'd be on it..but they're not..and even though Drouin is on the summer invite list, I don't believe there's a shot in hell he's back in junior next year.
 
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Bowey, Bigras, McKeown, are probably going to be our 3 RHDs.



Some Swedes are tough but I think less than more are physical players. Nylander, Burakovsky, De La Rose, Hagg, Wallmark, don't come to mind as tough players. Anton Karlsson is an example of a tough player but I still don't think they have enough to be known as a physical team. Some of there players can but most of them don't play that game. Being U20 and still being quite young, they'll have a hard time adjusting to the physicality like most times.

hagg is not soft, he is mean and physical, hits hard. had a fight against anton hedman (who was a tough guy in ohl) last season.
 
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I don't quite get your love affair with Morin. He should be a decent pro in a few years, but all those left side d-men in the roster are, at the moment, more deserving of a roster spot than is Morin.

I also do not have him on my roster and the only way I would include him is, in the absence of Ekblad and one of the other left side d-man moves over to play the right side, thus he moves up the depth chart..

The other shot he has would be due to Hockey Canada politics. The roster in question doesn't have the correct league representation ratio, i.e. only 2 players from the Q doesn't fly in Hockey Canada's world. So, look for that number to be closer to 5 with G GREGOIRE, A DUCLAIR and F GAUTHIER, all 3 of whom are on the summer invite list and will most likely be joining MORIN and FUCALE on the team come December.

IMO of those 5, only Fucale and Duclair are legitimate NT players.

My roster includes only 1 player from the Q. Fucale. Obviously if Drouin and Mackinnon were available, they'd be on it..but they're not..and even though Drouin is on the summer invite list, I don't believe there's a shot in hell he's back in junior next year.
Morin is big, physical, can skate. We need one of those players, I think he's better than Theodore or Fleury. If he starts the season well I think he'll get on the team, we don't have a player like Morin on our team. He's really dynamic.
 
Morin is big, physical, can skate. We need one of those players, I think he's better than Theodore or Fleury. If he starts the season well I think he'll get on the team, we don't have a player like Morin on our team. He's really dynamic.

I know pt. totals are not the be all and end all of everything, but I don't share your opinion of Morin. He's behind about 5 other left handed d imo. I think you are getting a little caught up in his draft position and his size... He may end up someday proving Philly right in that choice, but for now? Ah... I'd rather the others.

I'm curious too see how he does in the summer camp and exhibition games...

Shea Theodore 22 + 57 79 pts
Josh Morrissey 28 + 45 73 pts

Sam Morin 7 + 24 31 pts
 
I think Subban will force his way on the team. Duclair and Baptiste should have a shot too.
 
IMO of those 5, only Fucale and Duclair are legitimate NT players.

I get to see Duclair a fair amount, and I don't see why he isn't projected onto more of these rosters. LW seems strong for Canada but he is an elite goal scorer who can blow past people at this level, which was a weakness last year. Gauthier will be on the team unfortunately, but at least he should be better on the smaller ice surface.
 
I don't quite get your love affair with Morin. He should be a decent pro in a few years, but all those left side d-men in the roster are, at the moment, more deserving of a roster spot than is Morin.

I also do not have him on my roster and the only way I would include him is, in the absence of Ekblad and one of the other left side d-man moves over to play the right side, thus he moves up the depth chart..

The other shot he has would be due to Hockey Canada politics. The roster in question doesn't have the correct league representation ratio, i.e. only 2 players from the Q doesn't fly in Hockey Canada's world. So, look for that number to be closer to 5 with G GREGOIRE, A DUCLAIR and F GAUTHIER, all 3 of whom are on the summer invite list and will most likely be joining MORIN and FUCALE on the team come December.

IMO of those 5, only Fucale and Duclair are legitimate NT players.

My roster includes only 1 player from the Q. Fucale. Obviously if Drouin and Mackinnon were available, they'd be on it..but they're not..and even though Drouin is on the summer invite list, I don't believe there's a shot in hell he's back in junior next year.

With the games being played in Montreal, there is going to have to be a increased numbers from the Q.
Deserving or not. .
 
I know pt. totals are not the be all and end all of everything, but I don't share your opinion of Morin. He's behind about 5 other left handed d imo. I think you are getting a little caught up in his draft position and his size... He may end up someday proving Philly right in that choice, but for now? Ah... I'd rather the others.

I'm curious too see how he does in the summer camp and exhibition games...

Shea Theodore 22 + 57 79 pts
Josh Morrissey 28 + 45 73 pts

Sam Morin 7 + 24 31 pts
I think we could use a guy like Morin because he's different than everybody else. We don't really have the type of player Morin is on the summer camp. I think Morin is a better version of Fleury.

It'll be interesting to see the summer camp games, here's the full list.

Tuesday, August 5th - Canada vs Czech Republic 7PM EST.
Wednesday, August 6th - Canada vs Russia 7PM EST.
Thursday, August 7th - Canada vs Russia 7PM EST.
Friday, August 8th - Canada vs Czech Republic 12PM EST.

http://stats.hockeycanada.ca/schedule/league_instance/20720?subseason=165586

I was hoping we can see the US or atleast the USNTDP team.
 
I think we could use a guy like Morin because he's different than everybody else. We don't really have the type of player Morin is on the summer camp. I think Morin is a better version of Fleury.

It'll be interesting to see the summer camp games, here's the full list.

Tuesday, August 5th - Canada vs Czech Republic 7PM EST.
Wednesday, August 6th - Canada vs Russia 7PM EST.
Thursday, August 7th - Canada vs Russia 7PM EST.
Friday, August 8th - Canada vs Czech Republic 12PM EST.

http://stats.hockeycanada.ca/schedule/league_instance/20720?subseason=165586

I was hoping we can see the US or atleast the USNTDP team.


Apparently Mr Arrogant a.k.a. Scott Salmond wasn't overly impressed with the Lake Placid experience last summer and believes the team will be better served in playing exhibition games against the Czechs and Russians (2 teams which have combined for 1 title in the past decade) instead of playing the U.S. Finns and Swedes who have been, over the course of the past decade, the far superior teams...
 
I get to see Duclair a fair amount, and I don't see why he isn't projected onto more of these rosters. LW seems strong for Canada but he is an elite goal scorer who can blow past people at this level, which was a weakness last year. Gauthier will be on the team unfortunately, but at least he should be better on the smaller ice surface.


The notion of legacy spots for returning players really irks me, but then again there is a lot that irks me about the way Hockey Canada runs things.

I agree with you on Duclair, but just on the few opportunities I've had to see him play, he's at best a 1st. line player or at worst a 2nd. line player...I don't think there's any point on having him on the roster if he can't play that role...much the same as Spott using Nate on the 4th line in Ufa. A colossal waste of time. Do you think he can be a player who can adjust to a more limited role? Which is why I haven't got him slotted in yet on my roster... + I like Dal Colle more on a line with Mcdavid to do some of the dirty work... a Jeff Carter clone.
 
The notion of legacy spots for returning players really irks me, but then again there is a lot that irks me about the way Hockey Canada runs things.

I agree with you on Duclair, but just on the few opportunities I've had to see him play, he's at best a 1st. line player or at worst a 2nd. line player...I don't think there's any point on having him on the roster if he can't play that role...much the same as Spott using Nate on the 4th line in Ufa. A colossal waste of time. Do you think he can be a player who can adjust to a more limited role? Which is why I haven't got him slotted in yet on my roster... + I like Dal Colle more on a line with Mcdavid to do some of the dirty work... a Jeff Carter clone.

My belief is that Duclair has the ability to play as top or second line LW. His defensive game is nothing special at all, so I wouldn't put him in a checking role. I am hoping that this team takes a look at the available personnel and tries to emulate the 2009 team, with a fourth line dedicated to actually scoring against the opponent (not the middle of the road approach favoured by Spott). That would free up another scoring winger spot on the left side.
 
If Duclair is the 2nd line LW, where does that leave Dal Colle and the 2nd line RW assuming Petan, McDavid and Lazar are the first line?
 
If Duclair is the 2nd line LW, where does that leave Dal Colle and the 2nd line RW assuming Petan, McDavid and Lazar are the first line?

I don't see it as a lock for the 1st line just b/c he lights up the Dub. I don't see too many Portland games, not sure how he plays on the wing, if any...but he's primarily a center. And based on his play at last year's tournament (unimpressive...but he's not alone as 95% of the team was unimpressive) but based on last year's performance I wouldn't be so quick to throw Petan back into that role. I think Dal Colle McDavid Reinhart would be a better fit. (McDavid and Reinhart have played together at the U18 and delivered a gold medal, so I'd be first looking to that combination before anything else.
 
I don't see it as a lock for the 1st line just b/c he lights up the Dub. I don't see too many Portland games, not sure how he plays on the wing, if any...but he's primarily a center. And based on his play at last year's tournament (unimpressive...but he's not alone as 95% of the team was unimpressive) but based on last year's performance I wouldn't be so quick to throw Petan back into that role. I think Dal Colle McDavid Reinhart would be a better fit. (McDavid and Reinhart have played together at the U18 and delivered a gold medal, so I'd be first looking to that combination before anything else.
He played wing at last years WJC and was our best forward.
 
i just hope canada decides to play an elite puck possession game like the olympics instead of sending grinders on the bottom 2 lines to play physical or whatever it is they are there to do. such a waste. The olympics showed that skill and speed trumps. hopefully canada takes this approach.
 
Would be nice if we can get a coach who picks the team based on merit eh?



Yeah, lots of flash, little substance.


I would say you are being generous even with that assessment....but as I mentioned in the previous post, he wasn't the only one on the team who turned in a disappointing performance, in fact, most of them did.
 
Hey guys!

A little bit off topic but... anyone knows if it's possible to buy tickets for some of the games in TOR/MTL instead of packages for ALL the games? Don't wanna go to the entire tournament... well I want, but I can't!

Thanks!
 
Since the August camp roster has been announced, so it makes sense to say a few words. I’ve looked over that roster and decided to try to make a very early prediction. It would be interesting to come back to it in December to see what and how much has changed.

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Between the pipes:

Fucale as a starter,
Comrie as a backup,
Jarry as an emergency goalie.
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D-men:

Morrissey- Sanheim,
Bigras- Bowey
Nurse- McKeown
Fleury

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Attackers:

Domi- Fabbri- Lazar
Dal Colle- McDavid- Horvat
Perlini- Petan- Virtanen
Gregoire- Point- Ritchie
Dickinson

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This version considers the worst-case scenario as if Drouin, Bennett, Reinhart and Ekblad all will play in the NHL.

Goalie’s situation is pretty clear, Fucale is only one that has the World Junior experience and it would be enough for him to not fail along the regular season and in the December training camp to be in the team again.
Next, you need at least a couple of right-handed defensemen (Bowey and McKeown), such good playmakers as McD and Petan logically should be combined with perfect-shot wingers (two guys with Italian names) and two big lads, Horvat and Virtanen to provide some power pressure. Top-line is a combination of rocket-scorer Robbie, steady Max and omnipresent two-way Curtis. Checking-line are huge assertive Ritchie, classic hard-worker Gregoire and tiny, but very agile (evil and gritty,too) Point, who can add some “brains†for this line. Last year I didn’t like Gauthier as a checking-line center at all and I didn’t like that whole line, actually. Dickinson can be 13th forward, he’s capable to play as a center and as a winger, in the PP unit, as well, if it’s necessary.

Interestingly, Benoit Groulx could have been the Juniors’ head coach 5 years ago, since he accepted this post back in the summer of 2008. But then, before the 2008/09 season he went to conquer the AHL, so Hockey Canada had to look for a replacement, which is found in the person of Pat Quinn. Everyone knows what happened then. Yes, that was last gold for the Canadian team in the WJC. So, Groulx somehow participated in that win :nod: ;)

As for his assistants, Dave Lowry and Scott Walker , apparently,they are much more known as the NHL players, although they seem to have some success as junior level coaches , Walker has just led his Guelph team with Fabbri and Dickinson to the OHL title, and Lowry has just been awarded as the best WHL coach.

P.S. It’s extremely desirable that Brathwaite will prove to be a more suitable person for the goalie coach role than Tugnutt was. Ron was awful. Previous WJC in Sweden...OK, let’s say, was a take-off run for Freddie...
 
Since the August camp roster has been announced, so it makes sense to say a few words. I’ve looked over that roster and decided to try to make a very early prediction. It would be interesting to come back to it in December to see what and how much has changed.

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Between the pipes:

Fucale as a starter,
Comrie as a backup,
Jarry as an emergency goalie.
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D-men:

Morrissey- Sanheim,
Bigras- Bowey
Nurse- McKeown
Fleury

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Attackers:

Domi- Fabbri- Lazar
Dal Colle- McDavid- Horvat
Perlini- Petan- Virtanen
Gregoire- Point- Ritchie
Dickinson

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This version considers the worst-case scenario as if Drouin, Bennett, Reinhart and Ekblad all will play in the NHL.

Goalie’s situation is pretty clear, Fucale is only one that has the World Junior experience and it would be enough for him to not fail along the regular season and in the December training camp to be in the team again.
Next, you need at least a couple of right-handed defensemen (Bowey and McKeown), such good playmakers as McD and Petan logically should be combined with perfect-shot wingers (two guys with Italian names) and two big lads, Horvat and Virtanen to provide some power pressure. Top-line is a combination of rocket-scorer Robbie, steady Max and omnipresent two-way Curtis. Checking-line are huge assertive Ritchie, classic hard-worker Gregoire and tiny, but very agile (evil and gritty,too) Point, who can add some “brains” for this line. Last year I didn’t like Gauthier as a checking-line center at all and I didn’t like that whole line, actually. Dickinson can be 13th forward, he’s capable to play as a center and as a winger, in the PP unit, as well, if it’s necessary.

Interestingly, Benoit Groulx could have been the Juniors’ head coach 5 years ago, since he accepted this post back in the summer of 2008. But then, before the 2008/09 season he went to conquer the AHL, so Hockey Canada had to look for a replacement, which is found in the person of Pat Quinn. Everyone knows what happened then. Yes, that was last gold for the Canadian team in the WJC. So, Groulx somehow participated in that win :nod: ;)

As for his assistants, Dave Lowry and Scott Walker , apparently,they are much more known as the NHL players, although they seem to have some success as junior level coaches , Walker has just led his Guelph team with Fabbri and Dickinson to the OHL title, and Lowry has just been awarded as the best WHL coach.

P.S. It’s extremely desirable that Brathwaite will prove to be a more suitable person for the goalie coach role than Tugnutt was. Ron was awful. Previous WJC in Sweden...OK, let’s say, was a take-off run for Freddie...


That's not worse case scenario. Domi, Horvat, Lazar and Nurse are all likely candidates to stick in the NHL as well. NHL teams seem to be more and more reluctant to send 19 year old players back to junior for a 4th year, especially teams who are tight against the cap and a ELC is welcomed.

Although, of the 4 I added, I'm concerned that Lazar and Nurse won't be available. As for Domi and Horvat, I really don't care if they are made available or not.
 
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