Dickinson has done nothing to make this team.. Provides the same offence as Gauthier and isn't really close in defensive ability..
WJC: 2015 — Canada Roster Talk (Part IV)
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Dickinson has done nothing to make this team.. Provides the same offence as Gauthier and isn't really close in defensive ability..
How did that 1998 Olympics turn out by the way? Canada is lucky that game even went into Overtime and the Shootout. Czechs were better in my opinion for the way they controlled that game, before Canada tied it up late.
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You keep mentioning the bolded. It makes me wonder how familiar you are with teams east of Oshawa in the OHL. How many times have you actually seen Crouse play? Against Oshawa, maybe? You focus so much on his stat line that I'm wondering if you just look at the boxscores for Kingston to judge how he's doing.
Kingston is AWFUL offensively this season. The new coach is stressing this tight checking, defensive style that has stifled the offensive production of pretty much everyone on the roster. They're not even on pace to score 200 goals this season. Add to that, and they're lacking in pure goal scorers. So of course Crouse's assist totals are going to suck. He has no one to pass to to finish off. Yet he's on pace for 34 goals himself (not exactly bad for a draft eligible player).
Your biases are showing through here, both in terms of MDC being cut (you've made no bones about the fact you think he's going to be the best player out of that draft) and in terms of your Leafs' draft pick Gauthier making the team being okay but Crouse being laughable.
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I like the looks of that group a lot. Ritchie Gauthier Crouse could be devastating physically to play against. the top 3 lines should all be able to score. This forward group reminds me a lot of 2009.
Petan Paul Virtanen could very well be that Ennis Sonne Benn third line.
the leading scorers are max domi and connor mcdavid, and yes they are both on the team. Use your brain, players have been missing for weeks now, of course the top of the leaderboards will change.
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Weeks?????
camp opened on the 11th. 9-10 days ago! What have they missed, 3-4 games on average?
Dylan Strome was the leading scorer in the OHL when the team was announced, and he was not invited, which was a mindboggling decision. He merited an invite on his play this year. Marner was in the top 5 as well. So, no, the players have not been missing for weeks.
Ya except Strome has played 7 more games than Domi and 16 more than McD. Adjust for games played - never a bad idea - and the top two scorers are here. That doesn't take away from what Strome and Marner have accomplished (which for draft eligible players is quite incredible) but don't twist things to make a soundbite. The 2 top scorers in the OHL are both here.
Yup. Last year was Connor Brown who finished the year with 130 points. He was also 19 years old, a captain on one of the best teams in the OHL, and good defensively. He has now gone on to put up 22 points in 27 games in his first year as a pro in the AHL, leading his team in scoring.
He never even got invited to camp.
He had a poor game. His line-mates didn't help either, they were even worse and couldn't do anything.
A 5th overall pick that is scoring at a 2PPG pace and nearly a goal per game pace in the OHL can have a bad game every once in awhile, believe it or not. By all accounts he had a pretty good camp as well and was even a healthy scratch one game which usually means you're a lock.
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I cannot believe they cut Dal Colle. Saying that, the people trying to say Strome should have been invited to camp are ridiculous. Yea hes the leading scorer, but he is not ready to play in the tournament.
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And Crouse is? Look, I totally understand the love for Crouse because he does pass the eye test. He looks really good out there. But the question then becomes if he looks so good, why isn't he scoring? It's not like he had an abundance of scoring chances and got robbed by the goalie, like you could say about most of the players on the team. At some point, the point totals matter.
And keep in mind that I'm just talking right now. I imagine that scouts see a lot of scoring potential in Crouse. However this tournement is going to be played over the next two weeks, not in five years.
Dylan Strome or Mitch Marner deserved invites if Crouse was able to make the team.
It's hilarious to me to see people whining over the Gauthier selection because he can't score and then turning around to defend Crouse over Dal Colle because he passes the eye test.
So, it is like saying that Daniel Sedin should not have been given the Art Ross Trophy in 2011 as the leading scorer in the NHL, because Crosby got hurt, and so Sedin passed him. Based on your logic- we have to adjust for games played.
The fact of the matter is- Dylan Strome was leading the OHL in scoring when the team was announced. I do not playing the hypothetical game. Forget about the top two scorers talk- it would not have hurt Hockey Canada to extend an invite to both Strome and Marner, and giving them a look. Based on their play this year- they deserved it.
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I never said Crouse wasn't a good player. I said I don't think he is anywhere near a top 5 pick, especially in this draft and I just think it's crazy how he even got invited. Especially over talents like Marner and Strome who are a couple of the best players in the league already and can take over games. Usually you have to be an exceptional 17 year old putting up exceptional numbers to even get invited to camp. Look at guys like McDavid, Mackinnon, Drouin, Couturier, Hall, Murray, Reinhart, etc. Lawson Crouse is far from an exceptional talent. Marner and Strome fit that bill.
My biases? Gauthier is one of the best defensive forwards in the CHL, if not the best. Of course he was going to make the team if he had a good camp. That's why I didn't understand why people were surprised.
I don't have a Dal Colle bias. I'm not even a Generals fan. I just happened to watch him play and know how good he is and how great he can be. Canada cut their best goalscorer and that is unacceptable to me.
Crouse brings things to the table that a lot of guys don't, he's a jack of all trades player and can play anywhere from the 1st-4th line and be effective. I was critical of him before the year, and once I got more viewings of him, his game really grew on me. Crouse will impress people here.
I want to see the lines look like this:
Fabbri- McDavid- Lazar
Domi- Reinhart- Duclair
Petan- Paul- Virtanen
Crouse- Gauthier- Ritchie
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I want to see the lines look like this:
Fabbri- McDavid- Lazar
Domi- Reinhart- Duclair
Petan- Paul- Virtanen
Crouse- Gauthier- Ritchie
Point
Game is tomorrow. 7pm eastern, so I'm guessing around 11pm or midnight your time?
You have more intelligence than some of these Canadian posters, who come across as apologists. I am just hoping that Canada wins Gold this year, but if they do not- there will be another year of fingerpointing and second guessing. I said my piece in page 7 of this thread. I have been baffled by some of the decisions.
That being said- Hockey Canada brass have a million times more intelligence than me. However- seeing the failures of the last 5 years when this team could not buy a goal when needed, i am a guy that likes to take the superior talent (Dal Colle, Marner and Strome), and giving them the chance to shine, instead of the guys with the Good Old Canadian Grit.
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Totally agree with your post especially the bolded. If Canada doesnt win this tournament and has trouble scoring while doing it, the MDC cut will be front and centre.
This would be like if Canada cut Mantha last year only worse because MDC is a better player.
What is the harm in giving him an invite? Worst case scenario he plays bad and shows he really isn't ready. Best case scenario he plays well and proves that he belongs and contributes.
Point is, you're not even giving the kid with exceptional talent a chance and that could end up hurting the team.
& What makes Crouse ready and worth and invite yet Strome not?
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the harm is hurting his confidence when they cut him. What's the point of inviting a player who won't make the team? Strome's role is not a bottom3 grinder. top 2 centerman spots are taken by Reinhart and McDavid who both are cleary better players then Strome right now, ok, so since they've decided those 2 will be their top 2 centermans whats the point of inviting him? invite him just to cut him and break his heart? I remember when Junior players were cut from team Canada back in Vancouver.
yea... you sure know a lot about that.
Crouse got the invite based on trying out the bottom 6 role. Since Strome is not a bottom 6 type of player, he's an offensive guy which the 6 was pretty much set was Ottawa and New York Loaned their players.
Team Canada did the right thing by cutting Dal cole and not inviting 16 year olds in Marner and Strome. Physically they are not ready because they are up against the worlds best 19 year olds. So it's no point.
Again thank heavens team Canada is not run by a bunch of stats scouts. OMG, what a disaster it would have been. Imagine Dal Cole on the 3rd line. LOL wtf!!! what a mess.
FYI I thought Dal Cole looked like he was skating on quick sand last night.
If Crouse was not 6 foot 4 inches tall, he would not have made this team. Sad to say, but Hockey Canada likes the size and Canadian Grit of Crouse, over guys like Strome, Marner and Dal Colle. I have been harping on this the last couple of years- Hockey Canada should always take the exceptional talent for this short tournament.
Year in and year out- they make that same mistake, and fail. In those close games where goals are hard to come by and they lost the last several years, there has been second guessing immediately afterwards. This year will be no different if Canada fails to win Gold. Anyways, hope a guy like Crouse proves me wrong.
17 year olds don't contribute much in this tournament. Crouse is lucky to have made the team. Even if Strome made it he wouldn't be in the top 9 so what's the point
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