Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread VI

[haohmaru]

We have five forwards signed and UFA frenzy is in two days. And we were in the Final this year.

Scary stuff.

 

[NYR Viper]

Is it possible that the Rangers feel Lindbergh is ready to take the 4th line center duties and that's why they aren't supposedly willing to pay to keep Moore?. I've heard his strengths are exactly what Moore's were.. great on face offs, and on the PK..

Yes, it's possible. But you should always have at least 5 centers. It helped the Rangers a ton last year.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

If there is one player I want who is a UFA, it's Ehrhoff. Too many positives. I hope the Rangers management understands the type of impact he could have. He is the right age, plays a good overall game, knows the system and can play either side.

I wasn't aware he played both sides. That changes a lot for me.

I still wouldn't pay him more than 4.25per.

And this is assuming one or both of Stralman+Staal are gone.

McDonagh Girardi
Ehrhoff Klein
Moore Fayne

wouldn't be bad, assuming Stralman's allotted cap-space (Ehrhoff+Staal are basically a wash financially) is used on a 1C acquired from trading Staal(+)

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Yes, it's possible. But you should always have at least 5 centers. It helped the Rangers a ton last year.

agreed, and we're already short on centers as it is IMO.. is Miller ready to take that 3c role?.. how about Brassard as the #2?.. the more centers the better. sign Moore!

 

[NYR Viper]

I wasn't aware he played both sides. That changes a lot for me.

I still wouldn't pay him more than 4.25per.

And this is assuming one or both of Stralman+Staal are gone.

McDonagh Girardi
Ehrhoff Klein
Moore Fayne

wouldn't be bad, assuming Stralman's allotted cap-space (Ehrhoff+Staal are basically a wash financially) is used on a 1C acquired from trading Staal(+)

I don't think the 1c is happening this offseason. Dollars are too tight. Stralman + Ehrhoff, deal Staal for help up front on a ELC +.

Kreider-Stepan-MSL
Nash-Brassard-MZA
Hagelin-Miller/Lindberg-______
Carcillo-Moore-________

McDonagh-Girardi
Ehrhoff-Stralman
Moore-Klein

 

[Ola]

Hank left a ton of money on the table? I'm not sure he would get more 8.5 over 7 years elsewhere. Doubt it, really.

They just said the other day Kane and Toews will be looking for 12 mill. If they get 10 or 11 they will have signed the richest contracts since the cap has been put in, so I'm not sure why you are using them as an example against my point.

If Kane took the highest offer I can guarantee you that he gets 20% of the Cap from someone.

Hank easily gets more too on the open market. Hank will be paid like what, 66% of what Parise, Suter, Weber and co is making?

Not to jump on you, but you should check some facts on this one...

 

[Ola]

If they can sign Stralman and Ehrhoff, then IMO they look for a young center about to break out who makes a low salary. I don't think ROR would be able to fit.

I don't think I am undervaluing Staal, more trying to maximize the teams options while signing players who fit the system. Staal is a top-2 defensive shutdown dman. I know that.

I agree! And I would also do it for the "right" center, like say a Barkov maybe or someone in that mold. Hard to pull off a trade like that though...

 

[NYRKING30]

What?

Can you name one single real big NHL star that has -- not -- taken less??? Hank left a ton of money on the table. Kane and Toews will take 10-11 but still leave a lot on the table.

A ton of player would get MAX had they asked for it. I am not sure if a NHLer ever made max, maybe Sundin with Van?

Disagree with this completely. Hank left a ton of money on the table? who was offering him even 9 million a year and upwards of 10? no one. We all hate Marty but when it comes down to it every single time he took a contract where he wasnt gonna hurt or hamstring the team. Hank didnt leave money on the table he tried to get as much as he could and did. 8.5 for a superstar goalie who is my favorite Ranger the past decade. Yeah ok. Not that I blame him I woukd try to do the same thing. But if the Cup is really what he wants then he would have taken less for the better of the team.

Your absolutely insane if you think Kane and Toews are going to make over 10-11 mill the least on their next contracts.

Yeah Crosby took less to keep his team together. He might be the only max player worth it in the nhl at this moment. Leaving a mill or 2 isn't that much for what they make on the table if you think they would get 10-11 a year each as I believe the max maybe something like 13? Not certain there. I just guarantee you this doesn't happen.

Ola, you are one of the more respected posters for IMO on HF a lot of the newbs don't really get it and how to build a team or just started watching in 2012. Im not taking a shot at you as you gave an opinion. I gave mine. So just dont take it the wrong way as I probably agree with over half your posts 100 percent.

I dont past as much on here now because I lost a lot of family memebers and friends the past 3 years. I have been on and been reading just couldnt answer some peoples ridiculous fantasy pipe dreams. I can see a lot of other old timers have stopped. Now I know why.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

Staal for ROR

Brassard, J. Moore, Fast for Yakupov

Sign Ehrhoff (4x4)
Sign Fayne (3x2mil)
Sign R. Carter (3x900k)

Re-sign:

Zuccarello (4x4)
Kreider (2x2.4 bridge)
D. Moore (3x1.6)
Carcillo (2x850k)
Kristo (QO)

Ends up around 67 mil with a spare forward. Leaves about a million in cap space.


Lineup:

Kreider O'Reilly St. Louis
Zuccarello Stepan Nash
Hagelin Miller Yakupov
Carcillo Moore Carter
Kristo

McDonagh Girardi
Ehrhoff Klein
Allen Fayne
McIlrath

Lundqvist
Talbot

 

[Ola]

Yes, it's possible. But you should always have at least 5 centers. It helped the Rangers a ton last year.

Agreed, it says a lot about the game played right now. Chicago had like 6-7 centers when they won...

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

I don't think the 1c is happening this offseason. Dollars are too tight. Stralman + Ehrhoff, deal Staal for help up front on a ELC +.

Kreider-Stepan-MSL
Nash-Brassard-MZA
Hagelin-Miller/Lindberg-______
Carcillo-Moore-________

McDonagh-Girardi
Ehrhoff-Stralman
Moore-Klein

It can happen. See my above post.

Basically instead of paying Brassard ~5 mil to be our 2C, we pay ROR ~6 to be our 1C, Stepan slides down and Miller at 3C.

Brassard and Stepan are going to make approx a combined 9mil.

Instead, trade Brassard+ for something of value, trade Staal for ROR, and now your first two centers (ROR+Stepan) make a combined ~10 million but you're much improved.


Like I've said all along, it's time for Sather to get creative, but it's definitely doable.

 

[Zil]

Signing Stralman and Ehrhoff while flipping Staal for young forward talent would be amazing. It'll never happen. But it'd be amazing.

 

[Ola]

NYRKING30- Thanks and I respect you opinion.

But if Hank — and players like him — hits the UFA market and declares that he will take the highest offer, I am fairly certain it's a lot higher than 8.5m per. All it takes is one offer. I would bet at say 9.8m or something like that, possibly north of 10m.

That's a lot of percents left on the table. The other guys were talking about NBA players making max or almost max that are taking a bit less. I don't think we have seen a mega star NHLer really take the highest offer in a long time. I don't, that's all I am saying.

 

[n8]

NYRKING30- Thanks and I respect you opinion.

But if Hank — and players like him — hits the UFA market and declares that he will take the highest offer, I am fairly certain it's a lot higher than 8.5m per. All it takes is one offer. I would bet at say 9.8m or something like that, possibly north of 10m.

That's a lot of percents left on the table. The other guys were talking about NBA players making max or almost max that are taking a bit less. I don't think we have seen a mega star NHLer really take the highest offer in a long time. I don't, that's all I am saying.

well good thing that never happened and he is signed through 20/21
edit: 2021. that date is surreal! o__O

 

[Ail]

Signing Stralman and Ehrhoff while flipping Staal for young forward talent would be amazing. It'll never happen. But it'd be amazing.

Dream scenario, really.

At this point I'll be happy with one of Stralman or Ehrhoff.

 

[SKS]

Lineup:

Kreider O'Reilly St. Louis
Zuccarello Stepan Nash
Hagelin Miller Yakupov
Carcillo Moore Carter
Kristo

McDonagh Girardi
Ehrhoff Klein
Allen Fayne
McIlrath

Lundqvist
Talbot

This lineup REALLY REALLY appeals to me. Obviously not too fond of depth on defense and do not feel that staal for ror or the trio for yakupov is all too likely.. But I still loved the look of that lineup

I really believe Yakupov will shine given the right opportunity and maybe a change of scenery

 

[jerseyjinx94]

This lineup REALLY REALLY appeals to me. Obviously not too fond of depth on defense and do not feel that staal for ror or the trio for yakupov is all too likely.. But I still loved the look of that lineup

I really believe Yakupov will shine given the right opportunity and maybe a change of scenery

Yeah...except NONE of that will happen.

 

[SKS]

Yeah...except NONE of that will happen.

True, but this is a time for dreaming, speculating, and getting lost in all scenarios - scenarios that includes trades that are much too ranger favorable to ever happen

 

[jerseyjinx94]

True, but this is a time for dreaming, speculating, and getting lost in all scenarios - scenarios that includes trades that are much too ranger favorable to ever happen

Yeah, because the Rangers are doing absolutely NOTHING right now...reading this thread...this team needs to make some moves quickly because we're all losing our minds.

 

[TeamStewie]

Yeah, because the Rangers are doing absolutely NOTHING right now...reading this thread...this team needs to make some moves quickly because we're all losing our minds.

Can't wait for Tuesday when they make some moves which makes everyone lose their minds like they do every year.

 

[Zil]

Dream scenario, really.

At this point I'll be happy with one of Stralman or Ehrhoff.

I just wish for this one time they'd get creative. This is the kind of move that could put us over the top.

 

[Ail]

I just wish for this one time they'd get creative. This is the kind of move that could put us over the top.

They're going to have to get creative if they want to make this team better than last with the low cap and so many players going to FA.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I agree! And I would also do it for the "right" center, like say a Barkov maybe or someone in that mold. Hard to pull off a trade like that though...

Stop it, Ola. That'd be my dream return. Don't even tease me with the hypothetical example.

 

[D3vilsH0ck3y]

Staal for ROR

Brassard, J. Moore, Fast for Yakupov

Sign Ehrhoff (4x4)
Sign Fayne (3x2mil)
Sign R. Carter (3x900k)

Re-sign:

Zuccarello (4x4)
Kreider (2x2.4 bridge)
D. Moore (3x1.6)
Carcillo (2x850k)
Kristo (QO)

Ends up around 67 mil with a spare forward. Leaves about a million in cap space.


Lineup:

Kreider O'Reilly St. Louis
Zuccarello Stepan Nash
Hagelin Miller Yakupov
Carcillo Moore Carter
Kristo

McDonagh Girardi
Ehrhoff Klein
Allen Fayne
McIlrath

Lundqvist
Talbot

In a post full of garbage.. that is the most off base... 2 million bucks for fayne?? try double that.. he is at worst a 2nd pair dman...

Also Staal for ROR Even worse.. Lay off the pipe buddy

 

[JKDR1]

Some of you are very creative (much more so than I) but some of you are pathetically defeating in your attitude towards improving this team. Every team has a cap specialist not to mention the general manager and all of his assistants paid handsomely to improve this team and make the most out of what they have. Where there's a will there's a way and in my opinion, a team fresh of a SCF appearance doesn't just "make do" and wait till next year. These opportunities only come around once in a blue moon. I say it's time to get creative.