Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread VI

[NYR Viper]

Pouilot can be replaced.. boyle is 100% gone we've seen what happens when he's asked to do a bigger role... D Moore NEEDS to be kept though. Miller should get a spot somewhere in the bottom 6 whether its 3c or replacing Poo

I'm good with either Lindberg or Miller making the team. However, Moore has to be a priority.

Pouliot and Boyle are gone. Good for them, they deserve raises. Let them get them. They are replaceable.

In replacing them you have to keep in mind what they provide though.

Pouliot:
Size
Skating
Decent shot
Some PP time

Boyle:
PKer
Faceoffs
Size
Leadership

IMO Pouliot's PP time is probably the easiest to replace. MSL, MZA, Stepan, Brassard, Kreider, Nash. 6 forwards for the PP.

Malhotra would be a solid acquisition to replace some leadership, faceoffs and PKing ability lost by Boyle leaving.

As far as a player with a decent shot and speed, players like Mason Raymond, Devin Setogouchi are options.

Maybe they look for a bit more size and go with Winnik who will cash in as well. Hard to tell.

No matter what, I don't see a way they can replace the size they are going to lose.

 

[TollefsenFan]

Ehrhoff is pretty much exactly what we need despite the handedness. Right now our 5 other defenseman will barely outscore McDonagh on his own. We need one other guy who can come in and help out and provide something from there.

Agree.

 

[TollefsenFan]

I'm good with either Lindberg or Miller making the team. However, Moore has to be a priority.

Pouliot and Boyle are gone. Good for them, they deserve raises. Let them get them. They are replaceable.

In replacing them you have to keep in mind what they provide though.

Pouliot:
Size
Skating
Decent shot
Some PP time

Boyle:
PKer
Faceoffs
Size
Leadership

IMO Pouliot's PP time is probably the easiest to replace. MSL, MZA, Stepan, Brassard, Kreider, Nash. 6 forwards for the PP.

Malhotra would be a solid acquisition to replace some leadership, faceoffs and PKing ability lost by Boyle leaving.

As far as a player with a decent shot and speed, players like Mason Raymond, Devin Setogouchi are options.

Maybe they look for a bit more size and go with Winnik who will cash in as well. Hard to tell.

No matter what, I don't see a way they can replace the size they are going to lose.

It wont be easy. Po got size, skills, speed and great hockey IQ. Yes he takes some bad penalties, but he got alot of skills. We need him, but we cant afford him (well at least I think we cant).

 

[Ola]

Kind of a random note, not really directed at any player in particular.

Everyone says how great guys hockey players are, how they aren't selfish etc.

Everyone bashes basketball players for being thugs, or money hungry etc.

It should be noted that LeBron freakin James is about to take a paycut. So is Dewayne Wade. Tim Duncan opted in for 10 million when he can easily get more elsewhere.

You never see this in hockey. Everybody wants every dollar. Hockey lost a whole season and then another half season because of players who are much more well off to begin with being so greedy.

Maybe some hyperbole from me but I just find it amazing that some of the best players in the NBA, including the best player since Jordan are taking less money in an effort to win.

What?

Can you name one single real big NHL star that has -- not -- taken less??? Hank left a ton of money on the table. Kane and Toews will take 10-11 but still leave a lot on the table.

A ton of player would get MAX had they asked for it. I am not sure if a NHLer ever made max, maybe Sundin with Van?

 

[Ola]

I'm pretty amazed that Buffalo cut Ehrhoff loose. Good player on a very bad team and all in all not a bad contract. Definite interest from this quarter.

His prime years would be in the midst of Buffs worst years and then they would face severe "pay backs" when they were supposed to peak...

 

[Hire Sather]

What?

Can you name one single real big NHL star that has -- not -- taken less??? Hank left a ton of money on the table. Kane and Toews will take 10-11 but still leave a lot on the table.

A ton of player would get MAX had they asked for it. I am not sure if a NHLer ever made max, maybe Sundin with Van?

Hank left a ton of money on the table? I'm not sure he would get more 8.5 over 7 years elsewhere. Doubt it, really.

They just said the other day Kane and Toews will be looking for 12 mill. If they get 10 or 11 they will have signed the richest contracts since the cap has been put in, so I'm not sure why you are using them as an example against my point.

 

[Thirty One]

Hank got a historic contract for a goalie.

 

[n8]

Ehrhoff can play either side. Stralman has played both sides in his career. And if McIlrath really pushes for a spot, you have 3 excellent valuable pieces to recoup some assets.

Oh, that's good to know. Say we sign one of Stralman/Ehrhoff. McI still needs to push past Klein or Moore. If we manage to sign both, he'd have to push past both. Quite unlikely unless they are traded away to make room.

Watching Sather's post draft interview, it sounds like Boyle is totally gone. He essentially said 'we have a system and we need players who fit into each of the roles within the system' essentially, yeah Boyle, you are not getting an expanded role. It's not like he's scoring like the ole Barb-Underhill-Boyle season. He'd at least have a case for an expanded role then.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

It wont be easy. Po got size, skills, speed and great hockey IQ. Yes he takes some bad penalties, but he got alot of skills. We need him, but we cant afford him (well at least I think we cant).

Nash... has all of that... and better scoring touch at least usually.. lol

 

[Ola]

He fits AV's system to a T

I don't think the idea to trade Staal and sign a PMD LD while keeping Stralsy is that bad, but it's real hard to pull off. Like ROR for example is so expensive and really not even a goto center in that sense (like he is — real far — from a Kopitar).

Staal is also — really — underrated around here lately. Few are as individually solid as him defensively. He is like a magnet when he goes into 50/50 battles along the board. The kids at this place won't notice it, but that is valuable too.

If we do the above;
-we are paying ROR a ton of money;
-we are paying a LD replacement for Staal a ton of money;
and we aren't even that great.

And how do we make room for the above under the cap?

I would do it, for the right center. I am not sure if ROR is the one.

 

[NYR Viper]

Oh, that's good to know. Say we sign one of Stralman/Ehrhoff. McI still needs to push past Klein or Moore. If we manage to sign both, he'd have to push past both. Quite unlikely unless they are traded away to make room.

Watching Sather's post draft interview, it sounds like Boyle is totally gone. He essentially said 'we have a system and we need players who fit into each of the roles within the system' essentially, yeah Boyle, you are not getting an expanded role. It's not like he's scoring like the ole Barb-Underhill-Boyle season. He'd at least have a case for an expanded role then.

If McIlrath or Allen or Skjei prove they are ready, you move someone to make room and save on the cap. That's a good thing, not a bad. Depth is a good thing. Make the young players win a spot and then you have a valuable piece to help full other holes or gain young assets.

 

[TollefsenFan]

I don't think the idea to trade Staal and sign a PMD LD while keeping Stralsy is that bad, but it's real hard to pull off. Like ROR for example is so expensive and really not even a goto center in that sense (like he is — real far — from a Kopitar).

Staal is also — really — underrated around here lately. Few are as individually solid as him defensively. He is like a magnet when he goes into 50/50 battles along the board. The kids at this place won't notice it, but that is valuable too.

If we do the above;
-we are paying ROR a ton of money;
-we are paying a LD replacement for Staal a ton of money;
and we aren't even that great.

And how do we make room for the above under the cap?

I would do it, for the right center. I am not sure if ROR is the one.

Ofc Staal is underrated. Still we either resign him or we trade him. I say resign Strålman and trade Staal for a 1st rounder and winger Depth.

 

[NYR Viper]

I don't think the idea to trade Staal and sign a PMD LD while keeping Stralsy is that bad, but it's real hard to pull off. Like ROR for example is so expensive and really not even a goto center in that sense (like he is — real far — from a Kopitar).

Staal is also — really — underrated around here lately. Few are as individually solid as him defensively. He is like a magnet when he goes into 50/50 battles along the board. The kids at this place won't notice it, but that is valuable too.

If we do the above;
-we are paying ROR a ton of money;
-we are paying a LD replacement for Staal a ton of money;
and we aren't even that great.

And how do we make room for the above under the cap?

I would do it, for the right center. I am not sure if ROR is the one.

If they can sign Stralman and Ehrhoff, then IMO they look for a young center about to break out who makes a low salary. I don't think ROR would be able to fit.

I don't think I am undervaluing Staal, more trying to maximize the teams options while signing players who fit the system. Staal is a top-2 defensive shutdown dman. I know that.

 

[Gardner McKay]

If McIlrath or Allen or Skjei prove they are ready, you move someone to make room and save on the cap. That's a good thing, not a bad. Depth is a good thing. Make the young players win a spot and then you have a valuable piece to help full other holes or gain young assets.

Agree with you on this. Many people want to pencil these young guys into spots that they haven't done much to deserve yet. If Miller comes in and plays outstanding, give him the 3C spot. If Allen plays lights out, then we will find a spot on D for him. If not, they can ride pine or play in the AHL. The worst thing you can do is to assume that a rookie will fill a spot (when it reality they may not be able to).

 

[NYR Viper]

Agree with you on this. Many people want to pencil these young guys into spots that they haven't done much to deserve yet. If Miller comes in and plays outstanding, give him the 3C spot. If Allen plays lights out, then we will find a spot on D for him. If not, they can ride pine or play in the AHL. The worst thing you can do is to assume that a rookie will fill a spot (when it reality they may not be able to).

The coaching staff and scouting staff know when a player is ready. They knew with McDonagh. They knew with Staal. They knew with MDZ. They know when they can make a move in order to open up a spot.

 

[Tawnos]

The coaching staff and scouting staff know when a player is ready. They knew with McDonagh. They knew with Staal. They knew with MDZ. They know when they can make a move in order to open up a spot.

They also know when they can leave a spot open. I think the view that Miller and Lindberg are seen as being on the cusp gives them a lot of confidence to leave that spot available.

By the way, I'm not so sure I'd say they knew with McDonagh. Roszival's injury opened up a spot that he had first shot at. And Rozy was traded as a result.

 

[Fugazy]

The coaching staff and scouting staff know when a player is ready. They knew with McDonagh. They knew with Staal. They knew with MDZ. They know when they can make a move in order to open up a spot.

Yeah they've been proving this over the past few years. They've definitely done a good job when it comes to this.

 

[NYR Viper]

They also know when they can leave a spot open. I think the view that Miller and Lindberg are seen as being on the cusp gives them a lot of confidence to leave that spot available.

By the way, I'm not so sure I'd say they knew with McDonagh. Roszival's injury opened up a spot that he had first shot at. And Rozy was traded as a result.

Clark said before the season that he thought McDonagh needed half a season in the AHL. Half a season later he was up.

I agree, I don't mind leaving a spot open, all I'm saying is that if they sign 2 dmen and trade Staal, allowing McIlrath and Allen to develop further is a good thing. There will be injuries. At that point, evaluate and decide what you want to do. Worst case is they are never ready. Best case is they are both ready and they have 2 valuable trade chips with NHL experience.

 

[Tawnos]

Clark said before the season that he thought McDonagh needed half a season in the AHL. Half a season later he was up.

I agree, I don't mind leaving a spot open, all I'm saying is that if they sign 2 dmen and trade Staal, allowing McIlrath and Allen to develop further is a good thing. There will be injuries. At that point, evaluate and decide what you want to do. Worst case is they are never ready. Best case is they are both ready and they have 2 valuable trade chips with NHL experience.

Lucky timing on the Rozy injury made Clark look clairvoyant.

There's a lot of different ways to do this, though. I trust the staff.

 

[Trxjw]

Kind of a random note, not really directed at any player in particular.

Everyone says how great guys hockey players are, how they aren't selfish etc.

Everyone bashes basketball players for being thugs, or money hungry etc.

It should be noted that LeBron freakin James is about to take a paycut. So is Dewayne Wade. Tim Duncan opted in for 10 million when he can easily get more elsewhere.

You never see this in hockey. Everybody wants every dollar. Hockey lost a whole season and then another half season because of players who are much more well off to begin with being so greedy.

Maybe some hyperbole from me but I just find it amazing that some of the best players in the NBA, including the best player since Jordan are taking less money in an effort to win.

James and Wade make more in a year than many hockey players will make in their lifetime. Not even remotely close to the same situation. And the NBA had their own lockout in 2011. Their 4th.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I definitely think Kreider is low, but I'm basing it off the reports that he might not even get 2M..

I personally think Erhoff and Raymond would both fit this system really well, and give us some insurance is Staal and/or Hagelin price themselves out next year, while also helping this year. I fully expect Erhoff to get more, but I was thinking maybe since he's played with AV before and we just made the SCF, he might be interested in taking a little bit less..

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Does anyone know when Brass and/or Zucc can be UFAs?

 

[17futurecap]

Does anyone know when Brass and/or Zucc can be UFAs?

They can take 1 year deals and become UFAs.

 

[Idlerlee]

Zucc is UFA next year I believe, dunno about Brass

 

[The Lunatic Fridge]

Raymond would be nice but i still feel like we're missing a true #1C there.

Also, why are we paying erhoff almost 5 mill instead of stralman? Erhoff does not imprese me in the slightest and has what, 6 years left on his contract?