Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread V

[jerseyjinx94]

This Klein-Stralman thing is getting real old.

The Klein-DZ discussion is just idiotic.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I'm not saying Klein is better than Stralman.

I'm saying Klein @ $2.9m is better for the Rangers than Stralman @ $5m

This is the whole argument right here in a nutshell.

This could actually be Stralman vs Klein and someone like a Pouilot/Moore/etc.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Wait - does Philly still have Pronger on the Cap?

 

[Championship*]

wait - does philly still have pronger on the cap?

ltir

 

[Elevate]

I'm not saying Klein is better than Stralman.

I'm saying Klein @ $2.9m is better for the Rangers than Stralman @ $5m

Yes, Klein is arguably on a good contract. But the issue is more complex, what would Staal want to extend? Is Staal at 6.5M better than Strålman at 5M? From a strict value perspective, I don't want no Staal>Strålman responses but rather what would be the most efficient cost wise for the team in total.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I really like Devin Setoguchi as a low cost move if it's for like 1.5M

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Yes, Klein is arguably on a good contract. But the issue is more complex, what would Staal want to extend? Is Staal at 6.5M better than Strålman at 5M? From a strict value perspective, I don't want no Staal>Strålman responses but rather what would be the most efficient cost wise for the team in total.

Stralman at 5> Staal at 6.5

Staal at 5.5-6 > Stralman at 5

 

[SomE*]

I really like Devin Setoguchi as a low cost move if it's for like 1.5M

No thank you. Awful player

 

[silverfish]

Yes, Klein is arguably on a good contract. But the issue is more complex, what would Staal want to extend? Is Staal at 6.5M better than Strålman at 5M? From a strict value perspective, I don't want no Staal>Strålman responses but rather what would be the most efficient cost wise for the team in total.

I think it's a moot point. Staal won't get $6.5m. At max, Staal will get $6m, and I think Staal @ $6m is better than Stralman @ $5m. And that's a very high predictor for Staal, who will probably be in the $5.5 - 5.75m range, his salary for the upcoming season is $5.45m. I think his AAV on the next contract will be around there. Regardless of whether or not it's the Rangers who sign him.

Now, bring on all the "but the injuries" posts.

Staal is core. Stralman is not.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

Now that we heard from Sather, which is what I was hoping for last night, I like what he had to say.

Paraphrasing:

"Because the cap didn't go up, and even though we got to the Cup Final, we didn't win, the UFAs have to decide what is more important; making a little more money or winning..."

I agree for the most part. But if the difference between Stralman staying and leaving is a few extra hundred thousand and a couple of extra years, it has to get done.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Stralman at 5> Staal at 6.5

Staal at 5.5-6 > Stralman at 5

I think we could get Staal on a Girardi type contract.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

No thank you. Awful player

I don't know. He's big, 27, a RH shot. Only 11 goals last year but his shooting % was down 3% from previous years. I think he could bring some size and chip in 15-20 goals.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I think we could get Staal on a Girardi type contract.

I agree. Staal at 5.5 is better than Stralman at 5. The retort to that is Stralman at 5+assets from Staal>Staal at 5.5.

 

[silverfish]

I don't know. He's big, 27, a RH shot. Only 11 goals last year but his shooting % was down 3% from previous years. I think he could bring some size and chip in 15-20 goals.

I'd bring him in on a pro tryout if he doesn't end up getting a contract from someone. Could be similar to Pouliot's production last season. Love that he's a right-handed shot, too. That's an issue not enough people are looking at, IMO.

EDIT - Wait, can he play LW? If he can't play LW, I don't want him.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I don't know. He's big, 27, a RH shot. Only 11 goals last year but his shooting % was down 3% from previous years. I think he could bring some size and chip in 15-20 goals.

he is small

 

[Raymones]

I'm pretty confident that management will re-sign all of the RFAs, Stralman and Moore. I think Pouilot is gone. Probably Boyle as well.

Letting Stralman walk would be such a stupid decision when it comes to asset management. Signing him gives the Rangers: 1. One of their most consistent players locked up through what probably is his prime. 2: much more flexibility when trying to improve the roster. All of sudden they are in a position to deal Staal/Klein/Moore for help elsewhere. 3: Securtiy if Staals new deal isn't working out as expected. 4: More assets, which is a commodity needed in todays salary cap world.

I have faith in management that they are aware of this and will field him an offer he acccepts. AV and Ulfie showed nothing but faith in Stralman during the season, and he responded very well. I'm sure they have a say in this as well. Stralman wants stability for his family and loves NY, that's what he expressed repeatedly. I think a 4-5 year deal around $4M and some kind of movement clause will get it done.

Zuccarello will get done with a similar contract IMO. He doesn't have a long enough history of success for demanding more or fielding a QO from another team that the Rangers wouldn't match.

Kreider will probably get a bridge deal the way Stepan did but a couple of hundred cheaper. Brassard will get a raise but doesn't come much over 4million. John Moore is not in a position to get a hefty raise either.

Boyle, if wanting a bigger role, is gone. Pouilot too if his demands are multi years and in the region of 3million/year.

I am a bit troubled hearing rumors about Moore not hearing anything from management. I want them to try and bring him back. He seems to be very grateful to be back in NY and I think he'll get signed. 3million over 2 years or something like that.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Based on resigning RFAs first:

Kreider (2.25) - Stepan (3.1) - Nash (7.8) Total: $13.15
Hagelin (2.25) - Brassard (3.75) - MSL (5.25) Total: $11.25
XXXX - Miller (900k) - Zucc (4.0) Total: $4.9
XXXX - XXXX - XXXX
XXXX

Forwards: 8 of 13 players $29.3

McD (4.7) - Girardi (5.5)
Staal (3.9) - XXXX
J. Moore (1.25) - Klein (2.9)
XXXX

Total Defense: 5 of 7 players $18.25

Lundqvist (8.5)
Talbot (600k)

Goalie total: $9.1

Overall Roster: 15 of 22 players

Total cap hit: $56.6

So that leaves $12.4 million to sign 7 players and leave room for injury callups.

That's tight right there.

 

[SomE*]

I don't know. He's big, 27, a RH shot. Only 11 goals last year but his shooting % was down 3% from previous years. I think he could bring some size and chip in 15-20 goals.

He is not gritty, can't create offense and doesn't fit in with the system.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Based on resigning RFAs first:

Kreider (2.25) - Stepan (3.1) - Nash (7.8) Total: $13.15
Hagelin (2.25) - Brassard (3.75) - MSL (5.25) Total: $11.25
XXXX - Miller (900k) - Zucc (4.0) Total: $4.9
XXXX - XXXX - XXXX
XXXX

Forwards: 8 of 13 players $29.3

McD (4.7) - Girardi (5.5)
Staal (3.9) - XXXX
J. Moore (1.25) - Klein (2.9)
XXXX

Total Defense: 5 of 7 players $18.25

Lundqvist (8.5)
Talbot (600k)

Goalie total: $9.1

Overall Roster: 15 of 22 players

Total cap hit: $56.6

So that leaves $12.4 million to sign 7 players and leave room for injury callups.

That's tight right there.

Yeah, but they are bottom 6 guys in your scenario. that's doable no question.

 

[Ola]

I think it's a moot point. Staal won't get $6.5m. At max, Staal will get $6m, and I think Staal @ $6m is better than Stralman @ $5m. And that's a very high predictor for Staal, who will probably be in the $5.5 - 5.75m range, his salary for the upcoming season is $5.45m. I think his AAV on the next contract will be around there. Regardless of whether or not it's the Rangers who sign him.

Now, bring on all the "but the injuries" posts.

Staal is core. Stralman is not.

A lot can happen in 12 months, but I've heard statements like this soooo many times only to see it go beyond what anyone was expecting.

I had Pouliot at 3m two month ago, and someone replied something like Ola our contract predictions are ridiculous, Poo don't deserve that.

The cap is predicted to raise a lot next season. Someone like Nikitin just got 4.5m per. If we don't lock up Staal, and he has a good year, he could push 7m...

 

[silverfish]

A lot can happen in 12 months, but I've heard statements like this soooo many times only to see it go beyond what anyone was expecting.

I had Pouliot at 3m two month ago, and someone replied something like Ola our contract predictions are ridiculous, Poo don't deserve that.

The cap is predicted to raise a lot next season. Someone like Nikitin just got 4.5m per. If we don't lock up Staal, and he has a good year, he could push 7m...

Definitely a fair point. I'm working off the now instead of the then. I do like Staal's seeming motivation to get an extension done soon, this would alleviate some of those factors if Glen can lock him up mid-year like he did Lundqvist.

But you are certainly right. Fair is fair on this point.

Working in Staal's favor, the D UFA market in 2015 is quite bare. A lot of old men, Paul Martin, Mike Green, and Michalek.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

he is small

6'0 205 is not small

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I will say if the Rangers aren't certain they can keep Staal, then you trade him and sign Stralman.

 

[17futurecap]

The Rangers, seeking a righty to replace Anton Stralman on the second pair if the pending free agent flees as expected, have checked in with and have legitimate interest in New Jersey’s 27-year-old Mark Fayne, according to an individual familiar with the situation.

The Blueshirts also are believed to have interest in Devils’ prospective free agent fourth-line wing Ryan Carter, who could, to a certain degree, fill the spot expected to be vacated by Brian Boyle.

We keep hearing the Rangers aren’t going to pay to keep Dominic Moore, which only means they will pay down the road if management squeezes the fourth-line center and prime penalty killer out of New York.

Moore led the team in faceoff efficiency in both the regular season (54.6 percent) and the playoffs (54.5). The two Rangers’ centers under contract for next season, Derek Stepan and Derick Brassard, combined to win a paltry 46.3 percent of their draws during the regular season and an even more disturbing 44.1 during the playoffs.

It is one thing when the cap forces a GM to say no. There seems to be no good reason, however, for the Rangers to lose Moore, who is believed to be seeking a three-year deal for between $1.6 million and $1.85 million per season.

http://nypost.com/2014/06/28/incredulous-isles-gm-needs-some-wins-to-back-up-his-attitude/

Fayne has great possession numbers, would be a solid replacement for Stralman. Although, would be interesting to see him off the Devils as they are a great possession team. If you get Fayne 2.9 million feels like a lot to pay Klein to play on the 3rd pair.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

He is not gritty, can't create offense and doesn't fit in with the system.

Meh, I disagree. I think he'd be a solid addition if he could make the switch to LW on the Brass/Zucc line. Decent one-timer, goes to the net, throws his body around. I don't know.