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Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread III

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Frolov of Wraparound said:
Cap most likely won't be at 71,000,000. Why get Winnik if Dorsett is suitable and cheaper in his role. Also, Winnik will go up in price after this season and won't still cost 1.8 like the last two. No way Pouliot will only get 1.5. Also, don't think Dan Boyle will sign for that little, and I see more value from Klein, as he is better defensively, cheaper, and seemed to be jumping into the play more often. And absolutely not to Brian Boyle at 3 million.

I don't really see this team as much of an improvement. I like the numbers for Kreider, Stralman, Zucc, and Brassard though, they seem pretty realistic.
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Winnik is actually looking at 1.8, according to an article I read.

B. Boyle could be looking at 3.

D. Boyle wants a 2nd year. Not many teams willing to go 2. 2 for 4 makes him cheaper.

We need more offense on blue line. He offers about 30 more points than Klein. That's huge. Also a right handed PP shot.

Poo, idk. He wants 2.5. That's terrible value. If he wants more than 1.7, you let him walk.
 
Rust Heisenberg said:
I think he likes it here and I'd imagine he wants to win more than he wants to find a bigger role for himself on a less-successful team.

He said the statement before Richards was bought out. Probably figured he would be the odd man out if Richards remained. It increases leverage. He's been constant about remaining in NY. The money has to add up but I think he remains for this same role.
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I think a lot of people like it here, but he needs to weigh his options. If one team offers him $3MM and the Rangers $2MM, for instance, even if it isn't a championship team, he may go for the $3MM. Winning championships is the goal, but it is a job and that's a big difference. We will see. Impossible for me to say what the market for him is. Is he a 13 minute, third/fourth line guy, or is he a 16 minute third line guy in the eyes of others? He's a big, durable, steady 2-way centerman.
 
Rust Heisenberg said:
Another asset that needs to be dealt this summer: Danny Kristo.

There's a lot of dispute and variation about how good of a prospect he is. Treff and Hockey's Future has him ranked our top prospect. I've seen lists where he's 4th. I've seen lists where he's 7th.

A lot of volatility with his stock.

Personally, what i've seen from him in Hfd and what I was able to see on TV during the preseason, Kristo has definitely got it offensively. He has that "it" factor. But defensively, jeez is he a liability.

I know they sent him down to the AHL this year so that he could become more disciplined defensively. In place, any time I went to a wolfpack game, I could tell that he was passing up offensive opportunities in place of defensive responsibility.

Hockey's Future year-end prospect list (I think it's the year end one) still has him ranked 1st. They're sold on his stock.

While it's great to hear that we may potentially have a very solid offensive chip in our system.... what's not great to hear is that he has some sort of clause in his contract that allows him to become a UFA at the end of this upcoming season if he does not play in about 80 NHL games.

Like Staal, he could realistically walk out the door for nothing in return.

I understand many have soured on him, but I can assure you that he has some serious potential. Potential that a team with space to play him could relish.

He's a first line talent, if he develops, but really... we have little leverage over the situation.

Personally, I'd try to add him to any Staal or Klein trade we may see in the offseason. If not, i'd try and trade him to a team like the Sabres for their 2nd round pick. Give him the opportunity to play in those 80 games for some team and draft someone else.

We clearly don't have an available spot for him next year. He is a RW. Nash, MSL, Zucc, Fast, and Haggerty are all ahead of him in the depth chart, simply because their defensive abilities are more developed and the only potential spots we have open for wingers are on the bottom two lines - the lines that focus on forechecking and defense.

OVer the next year, assets that we should explore opportunities to trade: Staal, Klein, Brassard, and Kristo.
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That's actually incorrect. I (and many) were under the impression that he would qualify for group 6 UFA if he didn't reach 80 NHL games this year.

On July 1 of a given year, the following players become unrestricted free agents, free to sign with any team without compensation to the former team.

Group 3 free agents: Players who have reached age 27, or have 7 accrued years of NHL experience, whose contracts have expired
Group 6 free agents (must be elected by the player): Players who have reached age 25, who have 3 accrued years of professional experience (that is, beyond junior or collegiate hockey), and whose contracts have expired, but have played less than:
80 NHL games played for forwards and defensemen.
28 NHL games played for goaltenders.
Players whose contracts have been bought out by their former team.
Players who do not meet either Group 3 or Group 6 requirements, but who have not been tendered a contract offer by the Monday after the NHL Entry Draft or June 25 (whichever is later). All other players are Group 2 restricted free agents. (See the next section.)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHL_salary_cap

HOWEVER, a few months back I realized that he's a RFA THIS summer (which makes me wonder if CapGeek had his contract wrong for a while), meaning that would only happen if he signed a one year deal. If he signs for anything longer, he's an UFA whenever his deal expires.
 
Watched Colorado extensively last year and couldn't disagree more on ROR.He is an elite player. From what I hear, he's also a team leader. He makes other players better, not the other way around.

Kadri? What do you want here, a Smurf reunion(older fans will get that one)

Couldn't agree more. This to me seems to be the most efficient, effective way to improve this roster without extensive turn over. Dealing a player before losing said player for naught at his highest value just makes good business and hockey sense. 2 young studs to grow together at center ice is very appealing. Maybe find some sort of reliable stay at home free agent D to help transition.
 
Fletch said:
Boyle scored 21 goals a couple years ago. He's going to be 30 this year. He wants to be in a role that can allow him to use his offensive skills while touting his defensive prowess. More goals = more money and he wants to make money now. His average ice time last season was its lowest in three seasons. There is a lot of depth on the Rangers and I can't blame him for wanting a bigger role. If he misses the boat now, it may be tough to catch it later.
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What offensive skills? That was three seasons ago and a lot of those goals were fortunate bounces. Seems like it was the perfect storm.

I can remember at least three times towards the end of the season when he was in perfect position to pass to wide open teammates or create an odd man rush and he would just dump the puck or take a long range shot without looking up. No offensive hockey sense at all.

I love his defensive effort and fearlessness, especially in the playoffs, but it would be a mistake to put him on the third line or pay him as much as he might get on the open market. Can't blame him for cashing in on free agency and a good playoff performance.
 
If Boyle wants a bigger role somewhere, he'll get it (along with a bigger paycheck).

But he has to weigh that against wanting another shot(s) at a cup here. He's a valuable piece, but that spot is on the 4th line & PK. I don't blame AV for saying as much.

It's the truth.

He's a valuable piece on the 4th line for a contender... on the 3rd or 2nd line, he won't be contending.
 
Rust Heisenberg said:
Winnik is actually looking at 1.8, according to an article I read.

B. Boyle could be looking at 3.

D. Boyle wants a 2nd year. Not many teams willing to go 2. 2 for 4 makes him cheaper.

We need more offense on blue line. He offers about 30 more points than Klein. That's huge. Also a right handed PP shot.

Poo, idk. He wants 2.5. That's terrible value. If he wants more than 1.7, you let him walk.
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I would definitely not resign B. Boyle at 3 mil per, he's a good 4th liner and pker, but that's just way too much.

D. Boyle would be another overpriced 35+ contract that could potentially screw us with resigning next year's RFAs. I wasn't able watch much of him this season, but I'd think being on a top 5 offensive team in the league probably helps bolster his stats to a degree as well. I'd prefer that we get younger on that front, and maybe try to develop more offense out of McDonagh(who's done pretty well in that department already) and J. Moore. We have seen offensive potential from Staal and the others as well too. Put Stralman on the point on pp's and test it out, I've seen enough of Girardi on pp"s for all these years.

Also, I didn't hear that about Winnik, but that's a solid price if true, yet i'd still stay with dorsett. On Poo's front, I don't like him wanting 2.5, but I think 2.0-2.1 is very fair.
 
Dan Boyle is a pipe dream at something like 2/4. He'll get 1/6 or something from a team like Florida with tons of cap space (11M till the FLOOR with only Kulikov of any consequence to resign) and nothing to spend it on who can flip him for a pick later.
 
Evil Sather said:
Dan Boyle is a pipe dream at something like 2/4. He'll get 1/6 or something from a team like Florida with tons of cap space (11M till the FLOOR with only Kulikov of any consequence to resign) and nothing to spend it on who can flip him for a pick later.
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does an old player have any interest in going to a team with no chance at the cup?
 
Here's what I think will likely happen (in other words, not exactly my ideal scenario, but a very good one nonetheless, and what I think is more realistic):

1) TRADE: Stepan and Klein for Ryan O'Reilly

2) TRADE: Dorsett for a pick at the draft

3) SIGN: Ryan Carter (900k) and Mark Fayne (1.9)

4) RE-SIGN: Zuccarello (4.0), Stralman (4.0), D. Moore (1.6), J. Moore (1.5), Carcillo (900k), Kreider (2.5 bridge), Brassard (3.75)

(Boyle and Pouliot walk)


Zuccarello (4.0) / O'Reilly (6.25) / Nash (7.8)
Kreider (2.5) / Brassard (3.85) / St. Louis (5.6)
Hagelin (2.250) / Miller (894k) / Kristo (850k)
Carcillo (850k) / Moore (1.6) / Carter (900k)
Fast (805k)


McDonagh (4.7) / Girardi (5.5)
Staal (3.9) / Stralman (4.0)
Moore (1.5) / Fayne (1.9)
Allen (925k)


Lundqvist (8.5)
Talbot (563k)


(assuming the cap is between 70 and 71, which is wishful thinking at this point):

CAP PAYROLL: $69,736,667

CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,363,333


That's already including the cap-space of a 13th F and 7th D on the roster.

Zuccarello O'Reilly Nash - Versatile line, should be strong in all 3 zones. Zuccarello is the playmaker. ROR is the gritty, sneaky center who breaks up plays / steals the puck and leads the transition the other way, and Nash is ... well hopefully he's Rick Nash and not the guy who wore #61 for NYR in the playoffs.

Kreider Brassard St. Louis - Speed and skill: Kreider brings the speed, physicality, and energy, while Brassard distributes the puck and St. Louis does what he does best.

Hagelin Miller Kristo - Miller and Kristo get to use their strengths and play their game with minimal pressure by having Hagelin's speed to insulate them, and erase any turnovers or mistakes they make. Substitute Kristo for any of [Kristo, Haggerty, etc]. This is a forward spot to be won during camp.

Carcillo Moore Carter - A very smart fourth line: Carcillo's speed, energy, and agitation with Moore's smarts, solid defensive play, great skating and Carter's big body presence down low and in the corners.



McDonagh Girardi - Nothing needs to be said. Girardi should bounce back to form. He played a ton and was clearly banged up. The guy is never 100% (blocking so many shots and taking so many hits going back to get the puck) and he's usually very solid.

Staal Stralman - Steadiest NYR pairing at times during the playoffs. Can eat up minutes against top players and contribute offensively occasionally.

Moore Fayne - Moore's greatest attribute is his skating and ability to carry the puck through the neutral zone. If he figures out how to finish, or make the next right play to create quality scoring chances instead of just a flashy, speedy rush up the ice that results in a turnover, or weak shot attempt, he'll be a dangerous player to have. Fayne is underrated IMO. He's very steady, has a heavy RH shot, and while not flashy at all, he gets his job done and never seems overwhelmed.
 
Boyle just has disappointment written all over him, just has that feeling. I would prefer not to find out.
 
Ail said:
Boyle just has disappointment written all over him, just has that feeling. I would prefer not to find out.
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I kind of agree. I'd take him at the right cap-hit for 1 year, but I doubt he leaves that much $ on the table just to come here, especially with former SC champion teammate Brad Richards gone.

I feel like he wouldn't be the answer to our PPQB issue, and he'd be a liability defensively because of his age / footspeed.
 
bernmeister said:
yes but NTC is limited.
He can't continue to say no to everything.

Boyle = think it's a gamble he would take, remember he loves it here, which you are overly discounting,
also,
I agree people shouldn't be given things without earning, but I believe Boyle has demonstrated he deserves chance for that line, I make that promise.

If he wanted C slot between Kreider + MSL, for example, even though speedy, I would so no, he hasn't demonstrated enough playmaking vision.
But as LW w/BrasZuc, yeah, that would work.
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What if they promise him time on that line, and he plays in it and fails to convert? Or it looks like he's holding them back?

Do you keep him there because you promised him he could play there when you negotiated?

I wouldn't do that with any player at any role. The lineup needs to be able to change and adapt way more fluidly than that.
 
I'm a BIG fan of having players who can drop the gloves and answer the bell, however, if Sather can trade Dorsett for another pick or 2 and add Winnik at a similar cap hit I do that trade every time. Good skater. Good PKer. Big body. Good along the boards.

If Boyle leaves, I wouldn't be surprised to see him as a prime target. Another big body who skates and Pk's.

ROR is an elite 2 way center. Without a doubt. He is Patrice Bergeron. That is who he is going to become and he is very close to that now. What would you give Patrice Bergeron at 23?
 
SeventySeven said:
Here's what I think will likely happen (in other words, not exactly my ideal scenario, but a very good one nonetheless, and what I think is more realistic):

1) TRADE: Stepan and Klein for Ryan O'Reilly

2) TRADE: Dorsett for a pick at the draft

3) SIGN: Ryan Carter (900k) and Mark Fayne (1.9)

4) RE-SIGN: Zuccarello (4.0), Stralman (4.0), D. Moore (1.6), J. Moore (1.5), Carcillo (900k), Kreider (2.5 bridge), Brassard (3.75)

(Boyle and Pouliot walk)


Zuccarello (4.0) / O'Reilly (6.25) / Nash (7.8)
Kreider (2.5) / Brassard (3.85) / St. Louis (5.6)
Hagelin (2.250) / Miller (894k) / Kristo (850k)
Carcillo (850k) / Moore (1.6) / Carter (900k)
Fast (805k)


McDonagh (4.7) / Girardi (5.5)
Staal (3.9) / Stralman (4.0)
Moore (1.5) / Fayne (1.9)
Allen (925k)


Lundqvist (8.5)
Talbot (563k)


(assuming the cap is between 70 and 71, which is wishful thinking at this point):

CAP PAYROLL: $69,736,667

CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,363,333


That's already including the cap-space of a 13th F and 7th D on the roster.

Zuccarello O'Reilly Nash - Versatile line, should be strong in all 3 zones. Zuccarello is the playmaker. ROR is the gritty, sneaky center who breaks up plays / steals the puck and leads the transition the other way, and Nash is ... well hopefully he's Rick Nash and not the guy who wore #61 for NYR in the playoffs.

Kreider Brassard St. Louis - Speed and skill: Kreider brings the speed, physicality, and energy, while Brassard distributes the puck and St. Louis does what he does best.

Hagelin Miller Kristo - Miller and Kristo get to use their strengths and play their game with minimal pressure by having Hagelin's speed to insulate them, and erase any turnovers or mistakes they make. Substitute Kristo for any of [Kristo, Haggerty, etc]. This is a forward spot to be won during camp.

Carcillo Moore Carter - A very smart fourth line: Carcillo's speed, energy, and agitation with Moore's smarts, solid defensive play, great skating and Carter's big body presence down low and in the corners.



McDonagh Girardi - Nothing needs to be said. Girardi should bounce back to form. He played a ton and was clearly banged up. The guy is never 100% (blocking so many shots and taking so many hits going back to get the puck) and he's usually very solid.

Staal Stralman - Steadiest NYR pairing at times during the playoffs. Can eat up minutes against top players and contribute offensively occasionally.

Moore Fayne - Moore's greatest attribute is his skating and ability to carry the puck through the neutral zone. If he figures out how to finish, or make the next right play to create quality scoring chances instead of just a flashy, speedy rush up the ice that results in a turnover, or weak shot attempt, he'll be a dangerous player to have. Fayne is underrated IMO. He's very steady, has a heavy RH shot, and while not flashy at all, he gets his job done and never seems overwhelmed.
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That trade for ROR doesn't really benefit either team. The Avs need a defenseman like Staal and trading Stepan would not boost the center depth the Rangers are looking for.
 
NYR Viper said:
I'm a BIG fan of having players who can drop the gloves and answer the bell, however, if Sather can trade Dorsett for another pick or 2 and add Winnik at a similar cap hit I do that trade every time. Good skater. Good PKer. Big body. Good along the boards.

If Boyle leaves, I wouldn't be surprised to see him as a prime target. Another big body who skates and Pk's.

ROR is an elite 2 way center. Without a doubt. He is Patrice Bergeron. That is who he is going to become and he is very close to that now. What would you give Patrice Bergeron at 23?
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Dorsett has no trouble dropping his gloves. I just wish he'd win occasionally. I swear I can't remember him winning one fight all year.
 
SeventySeven said:
Here's what I think will likely happen (in other words, not exactly my ideal scenario, but a very good one nonetheless, and what I think is more realistic):

1) TRADE: Stepan and Klein for Ryan O'Reilly

2) TRADE: Dorsett for a pick at the draft

3) SIGN: Ryan Carter (900k) and Mark Fayne (1.9)

4) RE-SIGN: Zuccarello (4.0), Stralman (4.0), D. Moore (1.6), J. Moore (1.5), Carcillo (900k), Kreider (2.5 bridge), Brassard (3.75)

(Boyle and Pouliot walk)


Zuccarello (4.0) / O'Reilly (6.25) / Nash (7.8)
Kreider (2.5) / Brassard (3.85) / St. Louis (5.6)
Hagelin (2.250) / Miller (894k) / Kristo (850k)
Carcillo (850k) / Moore (1.6) / Carter (900k)
Fast (805k)


McDonagh (4.7) / Girardi (5.5)
Staal (3.9) / Stralman (4.0)
Moore (1.5) / Fayne (1.9)
Allen (925k)


Lundqvist (8.5)
Talbot (563k)


(assuming the cap is between 70 and 71, which is wishful thinking at this point):

CAP PAYROLL: $69,736,667

CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,363,333


That's already including the cap-space of a 13th F and 7th D on the roster.

Zuccarello O'Reilly Nash - Versatile line, should be strong in all 3 zones. Zuccarello is the playmaker. ROR is the gritty, sneaky center who breaks up plays / steals the puck and leads the transition the other way, and Nash is ... well hopefully he's Rick Nash and not the guy who wore #61 for NYR in the playoffs.

Kreider Brassard St. Louis - Speed and skill: Kreider brings the speed, physicality, and energy, while Brassard distributes the puck and St. Louis does what he does best.

Hagelin Miller Kristo - Miller and Kristo get to use their strengths and play their game with minimal pressure by having Hagelin's speed to insulate them, and erase any turnovers or mistakes they make. Substitute Kristo for any of [Kristo, Haggerty, etc]. This is a forward spot to be won during camp.

Carcillo Moore Carter - A very smart fourth line: Carcillo's speed, energy, and agitation with Moore's smarts, solid defensive play, great skating and Carter's big body presence down low and in the corners.



McDonagh Girardi - Nothing needs to be said. Girardi should bounce back to form. He played a ton and was clearly banged up. The guy is never 100% (blocking so many shots and taking so many hits going back to get the puck) and he's usually very solid.

Staal Stralman - Steadiest NYR pairing at times during the playoffs. Can eat up minutes against top players and contribute offensively occasionally.

Moore Fayne - Moore's greatest attribute is his skating and ability to carry the puck through the neutral zone. If he figures out how to finish, or make the next right play to create quality scoring chances instead of just a flashy, speedy rush up the ice that results in a turnover, or weak shot attempt, he'll be a dangerous player to have. Fayne is underrated IMO. He's very steady, has a heavy RH shot, and while not flashy at all, he gets his job done and never seems overwhelmed.
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Stop trying to trade Stepan
 
NYR Viper said:
I'm a BIG fan of having players who can drop the gloves and answer the bell, however, if Sather can trade Dorsett for another pick or 2 and add Winnik at a similar cap hit I do that trade every time. Good skater. Good PKer. Big body. Good along the boards.

If Boyle leaves, I wouldn't be surprised to see him as a prime target. Another big body who skates and Pk's.

ROR is an elite 2 way center. Without a doubt. He is Patrice Bergeron. That is who he is going to become and he is very close to that now. What would you give Patrice Bergeron at 23?
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I think the team should move Dorsett, he is a good 4th liner, without a doubt, but the team is better off without him fighting and losing momentum because he isn't exactly going to lay down a beating on anyone. Good guy and role player, but at 1.6M without the ability PK or contribute offensively a kid like Fast can definitely upgrade that spot and add more value and versitility in the line up while shaving $1M off the cap.

Besides Dorsett didn't drop the mitts for months and the team did well without giving away momentum swings. I wish Carcillo went after Prust rather than Dorsett for a better matchup and to avoid the suspension.

ROR is a great commodity to have but in all seriousness he is anchoring towards becoming a UFA at 25 while costing a high cap hit and would cost premium assets plus elite player cap space. The guy's never been a no 1 center, lets all keep that in perspective.

Bergeron also dominates the faceoff dots and checks the opponents top line, COL was better as a team with John Mitchell in that role over ROR who was never a part of a playoff contender in that role.

Winnik I am all for. More size and hockey smarts are the only needs outside of another top 6 center. I would prefer Brassard get match up advantages instead of escalating his role. CLB gave the Rangers streaky players, having too many higher in the line up doesn't equate to a winning formula imo.
 
This is the time to trade Dorsett. Good exposure in the playoffs. His contract would be great to have off the books for what he doesn't provide. He was getting paid more than Dom Moore. Get a draft pick for him. I like the idea of Winnik. Makes the rangers a little bigger.
 
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