Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread II ‎

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Doesnt make any sense to keep Brad Richards and buy out Rick Nash.

This... and why the hell are we trading Kreider for a center over 30 with a 7M cap hit and a soon to be UFA?

 

[NikC]

This team seriously needs to dump Nash. Compliance buyout if necessary. Move Kreider for Spezza. Don't take the bait on Thornton unless we're talking Shawn to play 4th line. Forget the ROR talk because it's not realistic. Extend Staal before he runs to his brothers. Sign Fayne from the Debbie's. Would be Sathers best offseason in recent memory.

Pouliot Spezza Zucc (could be one of the best top lines in hockey)
Brassard Stepan JT
Hags Richards St Louis
Dorsett Boyle Thornton

McDonagh Girardi
Staal Fayne
Klein Moore

King

Just started watching hockey?

Cool sport huh?

 

[I Eat Crow]

I dunno. I wouldn't totally be opposed to sending him to Colorado for ROR. Think it's an ideal move for both clubs.

If not that, then I'd love to see some sort of under the radar move with him. Maybe to like Minnesota or Ottawa or some other team that could offer good young players for his services.

Spezza's cap hit is significantly higher than Keslers. For the Blues, a team that operates under a tighter cap limitation, that is problematic.

Right, which is why I see the cheaper Kesler going to the Blues

From those clubs, I'd be interested in Granlund, Coyle, Zibanejad, and Lazar. Even for Staal, I think those players are non-starters for a deal.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Just started watching hockey?

Cool sport huh?

What are you talking about? It's totally realistic to trade our most dynamic young forward for a 31 y/o w/ a 7 mill cap hit with severe back problems and keep our most disappointing player for the next 6 years with terrible potential cap ramifications.

But seriously, in no way shape or form does this guy have any bias towards Kreider or Nash. He's simply recommending we do these moves because they will benefit the team.

 

[Ghost of jas]

If you can't come to terms with Stralman, move his rights to the highest bidder. I bet we could get a high 3rd from the Oilers who so desperately need a solid blueliner.

In that vein, how about adding a 2nd in this year's draft to the rights for Stralman, and see if it can get you a #1. Would a team like Anaheim, who has an extra #1, be willing to get an exclusive negotiation period for Stralman, (if they happen to be interested in signing him?)

 

[Ghost of jas]

This... and why the hell are we trading Kreider for a center over 30 with a 7M cap hit and a soon to be UFA?

There fortunately is only one poster making that proposal. That insanity has been kept to a minimum.

 

[TheTakedown]

I want none of any of these big money centers. It's not going to be possible to keep most of this team together with them, and that's a high priority for me.

A deal for Kadri and Gardiner is very interesting. It gets them young, cheap pieces who can also play decent possession games, which is exactly what they need. Can't help but wonder what that would take. I'd guess Staal + prospect, but that's also a good bit of Toronto's future, so I could see it being more than that. Then again, who can ever tell what that team is thinking? Kind of leary of losing any prospects when they already have so few, but some would be more palatable than others for that return.

In theory, if I didn't do this incorrectly, they could trade Staal + prospect for Kadri and Gardiner, and resign literally everybody, including recreating this year's fourth line, and keeping Stralman.

If that's correct, it's hard to say no to that possibility. Unforunately, it doesn't sound like a Sather move.

But it does sound like a Gorton move in my opinion... Sather's not working on his own, he's getting a ****ton of input from his staff

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Right, which is why I see the cheaper Kesler going to the Blues

From those clubs, I'd be interested in Granlund, Coyle, Zibanejad, and Lazar. Even for Staal, I think those players are non-starters for a deal.

In which case, I was wrong and you were right and I don't know why I was suggesting it earlier.

From Minn, I'd love Coyle, Granlund, or Dumba.

From Ott I'd be interested in Zib or Ryan.

Minnesota is trying to take the next step, similar to Colorado, so I could see a trade of Coyle or Dumba for someone like Staal.

Ottawa I don't know what they're doing, so I'd imagine they wouldn't want to trade a 21 year old being quite far from significant playoff contention. Ryan though could be attainable.

 

[Fletch]

I certainly concur there is an inevitable amount of roster turnover looming with this team, however I feel they are going to try for one more crack at it with as many of these players as possible, and so will keep dealing, or not signing, them to a minimum.

do they try one more crack out of it beginning in October, or do they try at the deadline? Meaning, do they try to keep the team mostly in tact, make a couple minor signings, then pull the trigger at the deadline (also when a pro-rated salary of a "rental" may be able to fit within the cap), or should they go nuts before camp?

 

[RGY]

This... and why the hell are we trading Kreider for a center over 30 with a 7M cap hit and a soon to be UFA?

I really had to stop. My mind was blown. bern 2.0

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

do they try one more crack out of it beginning in October, or do they try at the deadline? Meaning, do they try to keep the team mostly in tact, make a couple minor signings, then pull the trigger at the deadline (also when a pro-rated salary of a "rental" may be able to fit within the cap), or should they go nuts before camp?

This is Sather... they're going to try both.

Meaning a few significant additions in July and another one at the deadline.

 

[Ail]

do they try one more crack out of it beginning in October, or do they try at the deadline? Meaning, do they try to keep the team mostly in tact, make a couple minor signings, then pull the trigger at the deadline (also when a pro-rated salary of a "rental" may be able to fit within the cap), or should they go nuts before camp?

Good question. Personally I think the building of chemistry and locker room bonding is a very underrated concept. You could tell the night and day difference from the team this year in both of those departments than from the prior. So in saying that, I would personally try to build my best team before the season and let them gel for 50+ games before adding the cherry on top in to the mix. MSL was a good cherry and really added to the locker room as well as talent on the ice.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I really had to stop. My mind was blown. bern 2.0

Yea but Bern doesn't single out any 1 or 2 players specifically. He is an equal opportunity trader.

 

[RGY]

Yea but Bern doesn't single out any 1 or 2 players specifically. He is an equal opportunity trader.

Haha, this is very true. The whole team must go. We end up looking like the Kansas City Islanders at the end of it.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Haha, this is very true. The whole team must go. We end up looking like the Kansas City Islanders at the end of it.

Kansas City Rangers*. If he could trade the team's city, he would.

Fire sale of players + city.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Honestly I don't think Sather goes crazy. They will look for a #1 center if they can't get one then I see them simply re signing who they want and replacing guys they lose with the same caliber player. The market is NOT good outside of wingers (on paper) and we have a ton of them already

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Honestly I don't think Sather goes crazy. They will look for a #1 center if they can't get one then I see them simply re signing who they want and replacing guys they lose with the same caliber player. The market is NOT good outside of wingers (on paper) and we have a ton of them already

I can see some high profile moves being made to make a run this year and Sather relying on some young guys to step into positions that they may not be able to do.

I.e J. Moore w/ Stralman.

Can see Staal for ROR. Stralman and co. resigned.

Then an out of the blue trade for Bobby Ryan at the deadline.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I can see some high profile moves being made to make a run this year and Sather relying on some young guys to step into positions that they may not be able to do.

I.e J. Moore w/ Stralman.

Can see Staal for ROR. Stralman and co. resigned.

Then an out of the blue trade for Bobby Ryan at the deadline.

oh the worse version of Rick Nash, cool.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

oh the worse version of Rick Nash, cool.

So true. Lol. My thought process in regards to Ryan is preventing him from going to Phi and watching him certainly become a Rangers killer that finds his ceiling all of the sudden.

 

[haveandare]

But it does sound like a Gorton move in my opinion... Sather's not working on his own, he's getting a ****ton of input from his staff

I hope so. I'd love to ice that team next year.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

What I really hope is that we make no trades try to sign everybody back and let Miller play #3 center

 

[Gardner McKay]

I really had to stop. My mind was blown. bern 2.0

In all fairness to Bern (and I am harder on him than almost anyone else here), Bern would trade his first born child before he traded Kreider. He has some whacky ass proposals but none of them are focused around trading our key young cogs for aging stars who are on the decline. In that aspect, he is sane.

 

[Trxjw]

Frankly I think this team would be much better served to find a guy who can skate in Richards' spot and chip in 50-ish points, than to go out and try and land a big name center. If you could find a kid who fills that role and has upside, that's even better.

This team has had it's most successful runs when it plays as a group, and I think keeping as much of that group together is more important than trying to add another "go to" guy to the roster. It's times like this when you need the scouts to come through with a great find. Someone who is on the cusp of breaking out, but is stuck behind some depth.

 

[Kakko]

Wait, do we hate Girardi now?

 

[I Eat Crow]

Frankly I think this team would be much better served to find a guy who can skate in Richards' spot and chip in 50-ish points, than to go out and try and land a big name center. If you could find a kid who fills that role and has upside, that's even better.

This team has had it's most successful runs when it plays as a group, and I think keeping as much of that group together is more important than trying to add another "go to" guy to the roster. It's times like this when you need the scouts to come through with a great find. Someone who is on the cusp of breaking out, but is stuck behind some depth.

Pretty much my sentiments on the last page. O'Reilly is a good fit, but how far will his production dip away from Mackinnon, Duchene, and Landeskog? He'll cost assets and money, but he's young enough to grow with the team. Off the top of my head, some candidates for "on the cusp and ready to break out" are..

Cody Eakin
Rickard Rakell
Filip Forsberg

Anyone else have any other ideas? Can't think too well right now.