Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread II ‎

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Question: Just curious, but what about him makes you think he's a leader? Because all outward manifestations suggest otherwise.

Second point - I see Stepan becoming like Patrice Bergeron already. I don't see the huge disparity between ROR and Stepan. If this was Stepan with the contract situation, being that he's on our first line and wants to get paid as such, as you suggest, (a) what do you think fans of the Rangers would think of him, and (b) if you were a fan of another team, would you advocate trading premium assets for him and signing him for 6-6.5M per year?

I would love to add O'Reilly, but I'm not overpaying in assets and money for him. He hasn't shown enough to warrant that, and I question is attitude and loyalty.

The way he plays.

He's all effort.

His work ethic is comparable to Callahan's.

One could make a strong case that he's the most complete two-way center under the age of 25.

His offensive production is only going to increase as he continues to develop (he's only 23).

His defensive game is already Selke-caliber.

Do you guys fully understand the significance of this stat:

He lead the entire league in takeaways while registering TWO penalty minutes (the only penalty was a minor for "playing with a broken stick."

Think about that.

That means that he's constantly stick on stick, leaning on players, lifting other player's sticks, intercepting passes, etc and he wasn't called for a single hooking, slashing, holding, roughing penalty all season long.

That's probably never been done before in the history of the league, to lead the league in takeaways and not have a single obstruction penalty all season?!

The guy is all heart when he's on the ice. I don't care if he's greedy in his negotiations or holds out because the Avs didn't want to pay him what he deserved when the rest of his teammates got pretty big long-term deals before producing as much as he did and doing as much for the team as he did.

Just watching him on the ice makes me believe he's a leader.

He's a complete three-zone player. He's incredibly smart. He reads plays and breaks up opposing plays more than anyone in the league. He has great vision, has slightly above average footspeed, has a very heavy shot, and very quick hands.

He's constantly on top of the puck. He must be incredibly annoying to play against. His effort to get the puck back once his team has lost it is nothing short of relentless.

He's basically a younger Callahan with much better hands, a much smarter hockey IQ, and a bigger, stronger body.

The best comparable is probably a mix between Patrice Bergeron (in his two-way play, but I think O'Reilly has a higher offensive ceiling) and Pavel Datsyuk (defensively and with his stick-work, not offensively).

For me, ROR is choice #1.

My priorities for the #1C position would be:

1. ROR
2. Thornton
3. Stastny
4. Spezza
5. Kadri

I really don't want to start the season with Stepan as our #1C. He's a great 2C, but he's not consistent enough, strong enough, or fast enough to be a 1C, and he doesn't threaten defenders with his shot. They know he's all pass, all the time. He's a very one-dimensional center, offensively. I love Stepan as a player and I think he's a winner, and love the familiarity with McDonagh. But we need him playing behind a legit 1C if we want to get back to the SCF.

Brassard is a solid 2C, and would be a fantastic 3C. Probably one of the best 3C's in the league. The only thing that really matters is that the Pouliot-Brassard-Zuccarello line has found great chemistry. That makes them a legitimate top-6 line, production-wise, but in terms of match-ups, that can't be our #1 line against other teams' top players. Part of the reason that line performed so well is because they weren't our top line. They got more favorable matchups. And Zuccarello is the key to that line. But Brassard is an important cog in the wheel as well and if that's our 3rd line, we're in great shape.

We need a legitimate 1st line center.

If Ryan O'Reilly can be had for Marc Staal, we have to do it, despite how much I love watching Staal in Rangers blue. He's been a huge part of our turnaround and the creation of our identity during the two most successful seasons in the last 20 years. But we can afford to lose him if it helps us fill the 1C void. It's easier to find a 2nd-pair D than a 1C, let alone a 23 year old 1C just scratching the surface of his prime potential.

Get ROR to Broadway!
 
On the Free Agent/Trade market board..

Avs fans are asking for Staal + hagelin for ROR + Elliot.. what say you guys?
 
On the Free Agent/Trade market board..

Avs fans are asking for Staal + hagelin for ROR + Elliot.. what say you guys?

The Hagelin - Elliot part is unneccessary.

Staal for O'Reilly should be enough.

Both teams trading from areas of strength. The salaries will be comparable.
 
Other than his salary demands and assets spent, what concerns me about O'Reilly is faceoffs. He only took 371 faceoffs. 51%.

But he did take a lot of faceoffs 2 seasons ago, and won 52%.
 
The ROR love fest is bordering on ridiculous. I love how people had a problem paying Callahan $6MM per year but now ROR, who has done comparatively nothing is a guy people not only want to pay big money to, but also give up a big asset in Staal. ROR should come cheaper but he won't because Colorado doesn't "have" to move him and they probably won't trade him unless someone overpays. And BTW there's no guarantee he's hoping to become a markedly improved offensive player...see J. Staal and P. Prucha as 2 examples.
 
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The ROR love fest is bordering on ridiculous. I love how people had a problem paying Callahan $6MM per year but now ROR, who has done comparatively nothing is a guy people not only want to pay big money to, but also give up a big asset in Staal. ROR should come cheaper but he won't because Colorado doesn't "have" to move him and they probably won't trade him unless someone overplays. And BTW there's no guarantee he's hoping yo become a markedly improved offensive player...see J. Staal and P. Prucha as 2 examples.

As I said in the main board FA thread... I just find it funny how some want to give up Staal + Brassard (even some are ok with Staal + Hagelin) AND pay the guy 6M+ for 60 points but yet they want nothing to do with Stastny who is only 28 years old (7 years puts him at only 35 when its up) and is also a 60 point producer that will only cost $$ and we keep all of Staal, Brassard, Hagelin etc.

some think we can't make it work with the cap though.
 
The ROR love fest is bordering on ridiculous. I love how people had a problem paying Callahan $6MM per year but now ROR, who has done comparatively nothing is a guy people not only want to pay big money to, but also give up a big asset in Staal. ROR should come cheaper but he won't because Colorado doesn't "have" to move him and they probably won't trade him unless someone overplays. And BTW there's no guarantee he's hoping yo become a markedly improved offensive player...see J. Staal and P. Prucha as 2 examples.

"Comparatively nothing"? He's already surpassed Callahan's career high season point total at age 23, the age that Callahan was just entering the league.

You can't be serious with that statement. Can you?
 
The ROR love fest is bordering on ridiculous. I love how people had a problem paying Callahan $6MM per year but now ROR, who has done comparatively nothing is a guy people not only want to pay big money to, but also give up a big asset in Staal. ROR should come cheaper but he won't because Colorado doesn't "have" to move him and they probably won't trade him unless someone overplays. And BTW there's no guarantee he's hoping yo become a markedly improved offensive player...see J. Staal and P. Prucha as 2 examples.

"Compartively nothing"? Are you ****ing kidding?

You know so little about him I stopped reading right there.
 
The ROR love fest is bordering on ridiculous. I love how people had a problem paying Callahan $6MM per year but now ROR, who has done comparatively nothing is a guy people not only want to pay big money to, but also give up a big asset in Staal. ROR should come cheaper but he won't because Colorado doesn't "have" to move him and they probably won't trade him unless someone overpays. And BTW there's no guarantee he's hoping to become a markedly improved offensive player...see J. Staal and P. Prucha as 2 examples.

Look at the age difference between ROR and Callahan for one. Also, lol at comparing ROR to Prucha.

Also, ROR's value doesn't just lie in his offensive game. Yes, I would give ROR 6 mil a year.

We'd be giving up Staal, but getting a great center back. ROR and Stepan is a very good 1-2 punch. Similar to Boston. They're not Crosby and Malkin, but they would be very good 2 way centers with good IQ's for the game.
 
"Comparatively nothing"? He's already surpassed Callahan's career high season point total at age 23, the age that Callahan was just entering the league.

You can't be serious with that statement. Can you?

I'm really not trying to bash ROR but he's scored 64 and 55 points in his last two "full seasons"...and although he outscored Callahan already, he's also on a superior offensive team. Talk to me when he cracks a point per game and helps lead his team to some playoff success. Then I might start believing that he's worth more money to the Rangers than Callahan.
 
I'm really not trying to bash ROR but he's scored 64 and 55 points in his last two "full seasons"...and although he outscored Callahan already, he's also on a superior offensive team. Talk to me when he cracks a point per game and helps lead his team to some playoff success. Then I might start believing that he's worth more money to the Rangers than Callahan.

Callahan has achieved jack ****. It doesn't take much to be worth more than Callahan was to the Rangers when he was traded.

Why are we determining the value of a player based on a comparison to a former Ranger who was traded? Makes zero sense.
 
Callahan has achieved jack ****. It doesn't take much to be worth more than Callahan was to the Rangers when he was traded.

Why are we determining the value of a player based on a comparison to a former Ranger who was traded? Makes zero sense.

I don't know why people feel the need to compare a 23-year-old center with superior offensive and possession numbers to a 29-year-old winger. This is the second guy I've seen try and make this comp and it makes no sense.
 
Look at the age difference between ROR and Callahan for one. Also, lol at comparing ROR to Prucha.

Also, ROR's value doesn't just lie in his offensive game. Yes, I would give ROR 6 mil a year.

We'd be giving up Staal, but getting a great center back. ROR and Stepan is a very good 1-2 punch. Similar to Boston. They're not Crosby and Malkin, but they would be very good 2 way centers with good IQ's for the game.

I was comparing how free people were with the dollars for ROR, compared to a player that was a Ranger captain and been with the Rangers for 8 seasons. It wasn't just a critique of their on-ice performance. And trading Staal who can be on most team's top pair, for less than $4MM, for a guy who's already heldout and just came off a $6.5MM salary is not good asset management.

OK, let the man-crush continue!
 
If we trade for ROR and sign him to a ~$6m deal, we are likely going to have to give Stepan a similar contract after next season. In that case, there is chance that we can afford to keep Brassard as a 3rd line c making $4m
 
I was comparing how free people were with the dollars for ROR, compared to a player that was a Ranger captain and been with the Rangers for 8 seasons. It wasn't just a critique of their on-ice performance. And trading Staal who can be on most team's top pair, for less than $4MM, for a guy who's already heldout and just came off a $6.5MM salary is not good asset management.

OK, let the man-crush continue!

Except Staal is making $5.45 million in actual salary this season, despite the lower cap hit. He isn't going to re-sign for less than what Girardi got. Not wanting to pay Callahan who is older, a winger, and not nearly as good as ROR has nothing to do with wanting to pay ROR. It's nice that Cally spent eight seasons here, but that in and of itself doesn't make him magically more valuable than a superior player, nor does it change the fact that guys who play his type of game do not age well.
 
Other than his salary demands and assets spent, what concerns me about O'Reilly is faceoffs. He only took 371 faceoffs. 51%.

But he did take a lot of faceoffs 2 seasons ago, and won 52%.

He became a winger this yr. he also took 1 penalty lol. That can be good and bad

I'd rather keep Staal cause they won't find a good ld to replace him.

Any ufas on the radar ?
 
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