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Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread II ‎

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Zil said:
The x-axis is quality of opponent faced measured in possession ability. The opposition gets better as you move to the right. The y-axis represents the possession ability of the Rangers' defenders. So what the chart shows is that the Rangers control the puck more frequently with Stralman on the ice than they do with any other defender, regardless of the level of opposing forwards.

One caveat is that McDonagh's numbers are dragged down significantly because Girardi posts absolutely abysmal possession stats thanks to his exceedingly poor ability to make a clean breakout pass, which leads to the Rangers getting pinned in their zone for longer than they otherwise would.

Here's another way to see how Stralman boosts the possession numbers of his teammates across the board:
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Ah, thank you. That's interesting that he's that high. Crazy. Maybe a Stralman McDonagh pair would be best then.
 
Rangerfan4life90 said:
Yeah, if anything, Poo is the one that benefits from Brass and Zucc's play making abilities.

That said, Zil does have a point. I don't see how we could tie down a lot of cap into ROR and Brass, and then dealing with Stepan's contract soon.
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We can worry about that next year. We'll make space and trade him then if necessary. Honestly, trading Brass, who centered our best line last year, and letting Pouliot go..it just doesn't make sense to me. I don't want all this turnover. Some of it is inevitable, but I just think Brass has more to give. I know some of you don't think he can improve at this point. I think he can thrive as a 2C, but that's just me I guess.

If it was Brass as the centerpiece for ROR without Staal, I'd have to consider it. But moving them both in one deal for one player..I just don't like that value unless it's a sure thing 1C. ROR isn't that. Plus all the issues with ROR financially, who's to say he doesn't hold us over a barrel to sign him. Maybe we trade for him and let him get offer sheeted take the 4 1st rounders or whatever and include one for Thornton LOL
 
Ok, whats the MAX you would offer our RFAS/UFAs on a cap hit?

RFA
Kreider, Zucc, Brass, Moore

UFA'
Poo, Boyle, Stralman, Moore.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
Ok, whats the MAX you would offer our RFAS/UFAs on a cap hit?

RFA
Kreider, Zucc, Brass, Moore

UFA'
Poo, Boyle, Stralman, Moore.
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MAX? Or what I'd try to do?

Zucc - Max 4.5, I'd try for 3.8-4.0
Kreider - Max 3.0ish, Try for 2.5ish
Moore - 1.2-1.4
Brass - 4-4.2
Poo - Max 2M, try for less 1.7 or so
Stralman is a tough one. I'm not really sure what his market is out there.
DMoore - 1.5
Boyle - 2.2-2.5 Max
 
Rangerfan4life90 said:
Yeah, if anything, Poo is the one that benefits from Brass and Zucc's play making abilities.

That said, Zil does have a point. I don't see how we could tie down a lot of cap into ROR and Brass, and then dealing with Stepan's contract soon.
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Nah. Pos physical play, pp goals and tip-in goals are so important for that line and this team. U wont be able to replace him.

We need players that can do well in the playoffs. Po, Brass, Zuke, St Louis, McD and Hank did so and therefore none of them should be moved. Maybe Zuke will struggle NeXT season, maybe Talbot will replace Hank and maybe St Louis retires. I dnt know. What i do know is that we should keep the players that played well when it mattered.

We dnt need a New Nash or Richards.
 
jerseyjinx94 said:
Ah, thank you. That's interesting that he's that high. Crazy. Maybe a Stralman McDonagh pair would be best then.
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In their limited icetime together, Stralman and McDonagh control the puck over 60% of the time. The problem is that you need another puck mover to cover up for Girardi if you do that. Maybe the man for the job is Conor Allen or Brady Skjei, but right now they don't have another sure thing puck mover to allow McDonagh to get away from Girardi.

Rangerfan4life90 said:
Yeah, if anything, Poo is the one that benefits from Brass and Zucc's play making abilities.
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Brassard has gotten majorly sheltered minutes under Vigneault. He starts 60% of his shifts in the offensive zone. While Pouliot takes dumb penalties, he's very good at subtly driving the play into the offensive zone.

Brassard's a lot like a very, very poor man's St. Louis in that he can make high skill plays, but he needs linemates capable of winning a lot of puck battles to let him take advantage of that ability. Neither one of them does a lot to keep the play in the offensive zone, but St. Louis is super elite at turning puck possession created by teammates into goals whereas Brassard is only good at doing it.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
Ok, whats the MAX you would offer our RFAS/UFAs on a cap hit?

RFA
Kreider, Zucc, Brass, Moore

UFA'
Poo, Boyle, Stralman, Moore.
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Kreider...........2.5
Zucc...............3
Brass..............4
Moore...........1.2

Poo...............1.8
Moore........1.5

Boyle and Stralman are gone. I think that's realistic...............way too much as UFAs
 
While moving Staal and Brassard in a trade for ROR would allow the Rangers make another move on the backend, hopefully for a PMD. Whether it's by trade or UFA signing.

May be something like Staal and Brassard for ROR, Elliot and a 2014 2nd.

Would free up about $8 million in cap space. Assuming ROR gets $6 million, they would have $2 million plus whatever cap space is left after signing other RFA and UFA.

Kreider ($2.25) - ROR ($6)- Nash
Hagelin - Stepan - MSL
Pouliet ($2) - Miller - Zucc ($3.75)
Winnik ($1.75) - D. Moore ($1.5) - Fast
Carcillo ($850k)

McD - Girardi
???? - Stralman ($3.75)
J. Moore ($1.5) - Klein

Lundqvist
Talbot

Did the math in my head but if cap is $70 million that would leave the Rangers with about $5 million in cap space to fill the 2nd pairing LD spot, a spare D and room to make other moves in case of injury/trade deadline.

I would also like to see the Rangers then move their 2nd along with the Avs 2nd to get into the first round of the draft.
 
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Vitto79 said:
Kreider...........2.5
Zucc...............3
Brass..............4
Moore...........1.2

Poo...............1.8
Moore........1.5

Boyle and Stralman are gone. I think that's realistic...............way too much as UFAs
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I agree with this with the exception of swapping the $$ for Zucc and brass.
 
Ryan O'Reilly is also asking for a long-term 6-6.5 deal with the Avs.

There's a possibility that demand goes down slightly were he to be traded to a contender like NYR who just went to the SCF. The kid is a leader, and on Colorado he's their first line LW right now so he wants to be paid as such. Not that he wouldn't likely be on our top line here, but he might feel differently coming to a team that is already close to a Cup, rather than Colorado who he came up with and paid his dues to.

Or, he could still demand 6-6.5 which I'm OKAY with paying him on a long-term deal because I truly believe he's going to be a special, elite 1st line center. Not elite offensively in the sense of a Crosby or Malkin, but elite in the two-way center sense that he can dominate games in all three zones and be a factor every shift: See: Begeron, Patrice and Datsyuk, Pavel (though not as silky smooth as Datsyuk of course)
 
SeventySeven said:
Ryan O'Reilly is also asking for a long-term 6-6.5 deal with the Avs.

There's a possibility that demand goes down slightly were he to be traded to a contender like NYR who just went to the SCF. The kid is a leader, and on Colorado he's their first line LW right now so he wants to be paid as such. Not that he wouldn't likely be on our top line here, but he might feel differently coming to a team that is already close to a Cup, rather than Colorado who he came up with and paid his dues to.

Or, he could still demand 6-6.5 which I'm OKAY with paying him on a long-term deal because I truly believe he's going to be a special, elite 1st line center. Not elite offensively in the sense of a Crosby or Malkin, but elite in the two-way center sense that he can dominate games in all three zones and be a factor every shift: See: Begeron, Patrice and Datsyuk, Pavel (though not as silky smooth as Datsyuk of course)
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Question: Just curious, but what about him makes you think he's a leader? Because all outward manifestations suggest otherwise.

Second point - I see Stepan becoming like Patrice Bergeron already. I don't see the huge disparity between ROR and Stepan. If this was Stepan with the contract situation, being that he's on our first line and wants to get paid as such, as you suggest, (a) what do you think fans of the Rangers would think of him, and (b) if you were a fan of another team, would you advocate trading premium assets for him and signing him for 6-6.5M per year?

I would love to add O'Reilly, but I'm not overpaying in assets and money for him. He hasn't shown enough to warrant that, and I question is attitude and loyalty.
 
Just my gut here, not claiming I have sources. I personally feel that its 1a Stastny 1b Thornton if Stastny doesnt sign in NY Glen will probably swing a trade for jumbo joe, Slats knows that we are probably a #1 Center away. I also think Dorsett gets moved

Kreider Stastny Nash
Hagelin Step MSL
Pouliot Brass Zucc
Carcillo Moore Fast

Girardi MCD
Saal Klein
Moore Veteran Dman
 
TheKing30 said:
Just my gut here, not claiming I have sources. I personally feel that its 1a Stastny 1b Thornton if Stastny doesnt sign in NY Glen will probably swing a trade for jumbo joe, Slats knows that we are probably a #1 Center away. I also think Dorsett gets moved

Kreider Stastny Nash
Hagelin Step MSL
Pouliot Brass Zucc
Carcillo Moore Fast

Girardi MCD
Saal Klein
Moore Veteran Dman
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I'll be the first one to admit Stastny will be overpaid.

but that's a good team IMO.
 
TheKing30 said:
Just my gut here, not claiming I have sources. I personally feel that its 1a Stastny 1b Thornton if Stastny doesnt sign in NY Glen will probably swing a trade for jumbo joe, Slats knows that we are probably a #1 Center away. I also think Dorsett gets moved

Kreider Stastny Nash
Hagelin Step MSL
Pouliot Brass Zucc
Carcillo Moore Fast

Girardi MCD
Saal Klein
Moore Veteran Dman
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The problem though is that you wait on Stastny, Thornton may already be gone by July 1 (IMO he'll be moved at the draft) which means that we'll likely end up overpaying by even more for Statsny or go into 14-15 with Step/Brass/Miller or Moore.
 
______ Stepan Nash
Hagelin ______ St. Louis
______ ______ _______
______ ______ Dorsett

Fast

McDonagh Girardi
Staal ______
______ Klein

That's the Rangers lineup right now hahah sucks we didn't win it all. Things will be much different.
 
HockeyBasedNYC said:
______ Stepan Nash
Hagelin ______ St. Louis
______ ______ _______
______ ______ Dorsett

Fast

McDonagh Girardi
Staal ______
______ Klein

That's the Rangers lineup right now hahah sucks we didn't win it all. Things will be much different.
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I think we still keep most of the team in tact, even if we add a high priced player (who I have no idea)
 
Zil said:
This team doesn't have the cap space to pay all three of ROR, Stepan, and Brassard.
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It's possible if Dorsett is traded

Chris Kreider ($2.500m) / Ryan O'Reilly ($6.500m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Derick Brassard ($3.900m) / Mats Zuccarello ($4.000m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.600m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / Jesper Fast ($0.805m)

Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($5.500m)
John Moore ($1.300m) / Anton Stralman ($4.000m)
Conor Allen ($0.925m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)

Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)


BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)


(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,836,667; BONUSES: $1,295,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $1,163,333


$1,163,333 left over to sign a 13th forward and a 7th defenseman

Maybe a trade involving J. Moore and Jesper Fast to fill Staal's vacant spot?
 
Lundsanity30 said:
I think we still keep most of the team in tact, even if we add a high priced player (who I have no idea)
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Never know once we hit July 1st. Pouliot, Boyle, Stralman, even D. Moore could be gone. Who knows.would love to keep Stralman and Moore if I had to choose two. The rest are the rfas but it's funny how at this moment there's like no team. That Klein deal is looking nice right now though.
 
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