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Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread II ‎

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jerseyjinx94 said:
LOL

This cracked me up. :handclap:

I don't know what you mean by horses, and the rosters you post have less "horses" than we currently have, so I'm not really sure what you're thinking.
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Agree to disagree.
You are completely, IMO, discounting potential. A Siemens throw in to you is nothing, guy was like 8th overall.

Just one example.

As to the horses, I know you know what I mean.
Take some literary license. :laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
bernmeister said:
Yeah, let's look at that.
He negotiated it cause he has Slats over a barrel and it was a measure of control he could extract which Slats was able to surrender w/o anything $ related affecting the cap.

That doesn't mean 100% he will unconditionally reject any scenario.
He simply wants control. BTW, off top of my head that is not for entire length of deal.
So we tell him, look, we are badly backed up, everybody has to get paid, including you. we need to move a couple of higher priced vets. As soon as possible that will include Nash, but right now, it's you and Staal and maybe a F.

If we hook you up really nice, can you do us a solid?

It's not personal, its biz.
It will buy you good will here in NY after your playing days....

And depending upon where it is, he may be good with that.
May be possible to add some kind of bonus if he is traded.

It's not impossible.

SO I'M SAYIN THERE'S A CHANCE!! :laugh::laugh:
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Be careful what you wish for. Girardi has a proven track record. Stralman just had his first season where he played like an above average NHL defenseman. The great playoffs also helped his perception.
 
rangersfan9 said:
Be careful what you wish for. Girardi has a proven track record. Stralman just had his first season where he played like an above average NHL defenseman. The great playoffs also helped his perception.
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If you think that was Stralman's first season as an above average NHL defenseman then you have no idea what you're actually watching.
 
jerseyjinx94 said:
What makes ROR so much better than Stepan? Stepan is on his way to being a 65-70 point 2 way center. He can be a great player for a long time.

The Rangers just made the SCF, and you think they're devoid of talent?

Define "horse."
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ROR and Stepan would be a fantastic 1-2 punch. I have no interest in dealing Stepan to add a different center though. That would defeat the point and I don't get why anyone would want to do that.

ROR is a definite cut above Stepan (and a massive cut above Brassard) in that's he's just a little bit better in a variety of different categories: Faceoffs (way better actually), possession, finishing, and all done while facing slightly tougher matchups and less favorable zone starts.

The first order of business should be doing whatever needs to be done to lock up Stralman. After that we should be all over dealing for ROR if he is indeed available. I would love to package Staal, Brassard, and something minor like our second rounder or Fast to get ROR. Being able to run ROR-Stepan-Miller-Moore down the middle would be ideal. The questions are whether the Rangers are even doing their due diligence on a move like this and what is Colorado looking for in a return package.

rangersfan9 said:
I think you are having trouble distinguishing between average and above average. I'm certainly not.
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You are having trouble understanding the importance of puck possession even after what the Kings just did to us in third periods. I'm certainly not.

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Zil said:
ROR and Stepan would be a fantastic 1-2 punch. I have no interest in dealing Stepan to add a different center though. That would defeat the point and I don't get why anyone would want to do that.

ROR is a definite cut above Stepan (and a massive cut above Brassard) in that's he's just a little bit better in a variety of different categories: Faceoffs (way better actually), possession, finishing, and all done while facing slightly tougher matchups and less favorable zone starts.

The first order of business should be doing whatever needs to be done to lock up Stralman. After that we should be all over dealing for ROR if he is indeed available. I would love to package Staal, Brassard, and something minor like our second rounder or Fast to get ROR. Being able to run ROR-Stepan-Miller-Moore down the middle would be ideal. The questions are whether the Rangers are even doing their due diligence on a move like this and what is Colorado looking for in a return package.
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Oof, Staal + Brassard?.. overpayment IMO
 
bernmeister said:
Agree to disagree.
You are completely, IMO, discounting potential. A Siemens throw in to you is nothing, guy was like 8th overall.

Just one example.

As to the horses, I know you know what I mean.
Take some literary license. :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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Bern, I'm not discounting the value of Siemens. The kid is a good prospect. What I'm saying is the Rangers are trying to win the Stanley Cup next year, not acquire the Duncan Siemens's of the world.
 
How about

St Louis - Stepan - Nash
Zucc- Brass- Po
Kreider - Moore - Hagelin
Car - Miller - Dorsett

McD - Girardi
Staal - Klein
Moore - Diaz
Zamorsky

Hank
Talbot

Keep most of the team and let Strålman go. Kadri is not good enough, Stastny is gettin old and ROR is not a team player.

We allrdy have a good team. Kreider, Miller, Stepan and J Moore will only get better. Lets not sign a New Brad Richards.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
Oof, Staal + Brassard?.. overpayment IMO
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This team doesn't have the cap space to pay all three of ROR, Stepan, and Brassard. Brassard is clearly the odd man out if we land the upgrade in the middle that we so desperately need. With Richards bought out, Miller is going to slot in one way or the other and I'd rather slot him in behind a superior ROR/Stepan combo than a Stepan/Brassard one.

Brassard is not as good as you think he is. He piggybacks on Zuccarello and Pouliot's combined abilities to drive the play as well as massively favorable zone starts. Landing O'Reilly for that package would be a major win because we'd save cap space from paying Miller significantly less than what Brassard would get to man the third line.

Dealing Staal is necessary and only deals a short-term hit to our defense. Staal's our only trade chip to upgrade at center. He's also making $5.45 million in actual salary this year. He's going to want a Girardi contract or bigger and we have help coming from the system on the left side in the form of Allen, Skjei, Bodie, and Graves. Capitalizing on his value while we can to add a rare talent like ROR becomes essential when you add in the fact that Staal's play has been inconsistent since returning from injuries and that Stralman has masked deficiencies in his play.
 
Zil said:
This team doesn't have the cap space to pay all three of ROR, Stepan, and Brassard. Brassard is clearly the odd man out if we land the upgrade in the middle that we so desperately need. With Richards bought out, Miller is going to slot in one way or the other and I'd rather slot him in behind a superior ROR/Stepan combo than a Stepan/Brassard one.

Brassard is not as good as you think he is. He piggybacks on Zuccarello and Pouliot's combined abilities to drive the play as well as massively favorable zone starts. Landing O'Reilly for that package would be a major win because we'd save cap space from paying Miller significantly less than what Brassard would get to man the third line.

Dealing Staal is necessary and only deals a short-term hit to our defense. Staal's our only trade chip to upgrade at center. He's also making $5.45 million in actual salary this year. He's going to want a Girardi contract or bigger and we have help coming from the system on the left side in the form of Allen, Skjei, Bodie, and Graves. Capitalizing on his value while we can to add a rare talent like ROR becomes essential when you add in the fact that Staal's play has been inconsistent since returning from injuries and that Stralman has masked deficiencies in his play.
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I still don't package Staal AND Brassard for just ROR. let alone add in a prospect like fast.
 
TollefsenFan said:
How about

St Louis - Stepan - Nash
Zucc- Brass- Po
Kreider - Moore - Hagelin
Car - Miller - Dorsett

McD - Girardi
Staal - Klein
Moore - Diaz
Zamorsky

Hank
Talbot

Keep most of the team and let Strålman go. Kadri is not good enough, Stastny is gettin old and ROR is not a team player.

We allrdy have a good team. Kreider, Miller, Stepan and J Moore will only get better. Lets not sign a New Brad Richards.
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Swap Moore and Miller and I'm fine with it, honestly. Rather re-sign Stralman and let Diaz walk though.
 
1) Would want a piece back with ROR if Staal/Brassard are going back
2) Avs don't need another center unless they lose both Stastny and ROR
 
jerseyjinx94 said:
I'm not very knowledgeable regarding these new stats. Can you explain this chart LOL
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The x-axis is quality of opponent faced measured in possession ability. The opposition gets better as you move to the right. The y-axis represents the possession ability of the Rangers' defenders. So what the chart shows is that the Rangers control the puck more frequently with Stralman on the ice than they do with any other defender, regardless of the level of opposing forwards.

One caveat is that McDonagh's numbers are dragged down significantly because Girardi posts absolutely abysmal possession stats thanks to his exceedingly poor ability to make a clean breakout pass, which leads to the Rangers getting pinned in their zone for longer than they otherwise would.

Here's another way to see how Stralman boosts the possession numbers of his teammates across the board:

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BrianBoyle said:
1) Would want a piece back with ROR if Staal/Brassard are going back
2) Avs don't need another center unless they lose both Stastny and ROR
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It's unlikely, but it's the first package I'd try. I'd prefer to keep Miller over Brassard for cap reasons, plus previously stated possession stats. Keep in mind that ROR actually only has two RFA years left and they seem unwilling engage him long term, whereas they'd probably be happy to do so with Staal. Brassard would be a piece for them to maintain their depth and make up for the single extra year of team control ROR offers over Staal.
 
Zil said:
This team doesn't have the cap space to pay all three of ROR, Stepan, and Brassard. Brassard is clearly the odd man out if we land the upgrade in the middle that we so desperately need. With Richards bought out, Miller is going to slot in one way or the other and I'd rather slot him in behind a superior ROR/Stepan combo than a Stepan/Brassard one.

Brassard is not as good as you think he is. He piggybacks on Zuccarello and Pouliot's combined abilities to drive the play as well as massively favorable zone starts. Landing O'Reilly for that package would be a major win because we'd save cap space from paying Miller significantly less than what Brassard would get to man the third line.

Dealing Staal is necessary and only deals a short-term hit to our defense. Staal's our only trade chip to upgrade at center. He's also making $5.45 million in actual salary this year. He's going to want a Girardi contract or bigger and we have help coming from the system on the left side in the form of Allen, Skjei, Bodie, and Graves. Capitalizing on his value while we can to add a rare talent like ROR becomes essential when you add in the fact that Staal's play has been inconsistent since returning from injuries and that Stralman has masked deficiencies in his play.
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Brassard is pretty damn good man. I think you're severely undervaluing him by including him with Staal to get ROR. It's arguable that ROR isn't even better than Stepan. Staal is a #1 LD on 15-20 teams in the NHL. Brass is a 2/3C.

Besides, even if Brass "piggybacks on Zucc," he contributes to that line and has great chemistry with Zucc. I stand by my thought that a full season with Zucc on his right and Brass can score 50+ points.

I'd still like to find out his PPG with Zucc on his line this season.
 
BrianBoyle said:
1) Would want a piece back with ROR if Staal/Brassard are going back
2) Avs don't need another center unless they lose both Stastny and ROR
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Yep, Avs wont have a need for Brassard unless they couldn't re sign Stastny too. even then they wouldn't though, Duchene and Mackinnon.
 
Yeah, if anything, Poo is the one that benefits from Brass and Zucc's play making abilities.

That said, Zil does have a point. I don't see how we could tie down a lot of cap into ROR and Brass, and then dealing with Stepan's contract soon.
 
Rangerfan4life90 said:
Yeah, if anything, Poo is the one that benefits from Brass and Zucc's play making abilities.

That said, Zil does have a point. I don't see how we could tie down a lot of cap into ROR and Brass, and then dealing with Stepan's contract soon.
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well MSL's contract will be up after next year.. Does he re sign? retire?.. etc. Nash is the only forward (right now) we have signed after next year.

and maybe not long term, but the Rangers could probably afford it this year and take a shot with all 3 down the middle by giving Brass his QO
 
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