Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread II ‎

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

How are you obtaining ROR, Thornton, or Spezza? And if its Stastny, it'll almost certainly be over $6.75M.

just saying.. its not the cap that's really a problem... like everyone seems to think it is..

and even with Stastny (or whoever) at 7M we're still under the cap.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

The Rangers are a mess in the assets to give department.

This may be the only post you've ever made that I agree with, LOL

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

This may be the only post you've ever made that I agree with, LOL

It is true that Staal is really our only real asset that we can look to give.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

It is true that Staal is really our only real asset that we can look to give.

Well Miller is an asset. I'd prefer to keep him, but if it's for a cost-controlled upgrade at C, he's expendable.

 

[GAGLine]

CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / ROR/Stastny/Thornton/Spezza #1 center ($6.750m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Chris Kreider ($2.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Mats Zuccarello ($4.250m) / Derick Brassard ($4.000m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m)
Jesper Fast ($0.805m) / Dominic Moore ($1.300m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($5.500m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
John Moore ($1.500m) / Raphael Diaz ($1.225m)
Dylan McIlrath ($0.703m) /
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,198,333; BONUSES: $1,036,667
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $901,667

And I actually think some of the contracts are too high...

The cap isn't likely to be that high based on recent projections. The last number I saw was 69.5 mil.

You also don't have a spare forward and you let Stralman walk and replaced him with Diaz, a definite downgrade.

And this doesn't even count the assets that we would have to give up to get ROR, Thornton or Spezza. According to your lineup, we aren't trading Fast, Miller or McIlrath. We aren't trading any of our roster players. And we don't have a 1st round pick until 2016. So what exactly are you trading to obtain one of those players?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

The cap isn't likely to be that high based on recent projections. The last number I saw was 69.5 mil.

You also don't have a spare forward and you let Stralman walk and replaced him with Diaz, a definite downgrade.

And this doesn't even count the assets that we would have to give up to get ROR, Thornton or Spezza. According to your lineup, we aren't trading Fast, Miller or McIlrath. We aren't trading any of our roster players. And we don't have a 1st round pick until 2016. So what exactly are you trading to obtain one of those players?

Yes, I let Stralman walk and replaced him with Diaz with is a downgrade, but Klein IMO is ready to step into that top 4 spot (especially with Marc Staal). you downgrade on defense in order to upgrade your offense..

As for the top center, it was just a bunch of names at the highest cap hit possible (thornton 6.75) which showed that even with a 6.75M center this team can afford all their core players and have a good team.

You can even go Lindbergh on the 4th line instead of Fast, and save even more cap.. you could trade Dorsett's 1.7M.. there's plenty of stuff this team can do.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Well Miller is an asset. I'd prefer to keep him, but if it's for a cost-controlled upgrade at C, he's expendable.

Who is trading a very good centerman in a deal where JT Miller is the centerpiece coming back?

 

[TheTakedown]

Originally Posted by gump116 View Post
I'm not a fan of this either. Moore just seems like a third pairing defenseman at best. If Del Zotto gets non-tendered, maybe bring him back as a #4 defenseman. Del Zotto was always fine when he played as a LD with a decent partner, and he and Stralman were a good pair in the past (probably more due to Stralman). It also allows Moore to stay on the third pair with Klein:

McD-Girardi
Del Zotto-Stralman
Moore-Klein

Not bad, probably slightly above average d-core.
I would actually be OK with this as well... gives us some "veteran" depth on the left side, as well as another puck moving defenseman...

Only down side is all of the puck movers are now stacked on the left side... Klein would be the most mobile piece on the right side, and he's going to be on the 3rd pairing... lol


You did actually WATCH Del Zaster play while he was with the Rangers correct??!!

I did...

and unfortunately, he's probably one of the best "value" when it comes to PMD in free agency (doubtful that the Preds qualify him)

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Who is trading a very good centerman in a deal where JT Miller is the centerpiece coming back?

I wasn't being specific. I don't know what teams want in trades. I'm sure if the Rangers call about any of those players, Miller will be involved.

I also never said he'd be the centerpiece, I just said he was a tradeable asset.

He said Staal was our only tradeable asset. I was pointing out that Miller is also tradeable. He's a valuable prospect, no matter what you personally think of him.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Honestly in the right deal... absolutely anyone other than Hank and Mcdonagh on this team can be assets..

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Honestly in the right deal... absolutely anyone other than Hank and Mcdonagh on this team can be assets..

The thing is - certain guys are not tradeable. Girardi. Nash. They have NMCs. as far as "untouchables," I'd probably add Stepan, Kreider, and Zucc to your list. Technically, they could go in the right deal, but the players they would go for are not going to be available, so practically speaking they are untouchable.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I wasn't being specific. I don't know what teams want in trades. I'm sure if the Rangers call about any of those players, Miller will be involved.

I also never said he'd be the centerpiece, I just said he was a tradeable asset.

He said Staal was our only tradeable asset. I was pointing out that Miller is also tradeable. He's a valuable prospect, no matter what you personally think of him.

I like Miller even though hes still pretty raw and immature.

I'd probably be more comfortable with having him battle for the 3C spot with Moore and a cheap free agent than the contortions this team is going to go through to hit it big at center.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

The thing is - certain guys are not tradeable. Girardi. Nash. They have NMCs. as far as "untouchables," I'd probably add Stepan, Kreider, and Zucc to your list. Technically, they could go in the right deal, but the players they would go for are not going to be available, so practically speaking they are untouchable.

Nash would accept a trade to other teams IMO.. especially San Jose (to play with Thornton) should they want him..

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I like Miller even though hes still pretty raw and immature.

I'd probably be more comfortable with having him battle for the 3C spot with Moore and a cheap free agent than the contortions this team is going to go through to hit it big at center.

If we acquired a good center, whats wrong with Miller playing on the Brass/Zucc line as the 3rd RW?.. there's still alot of value there.. hey, thats where callahan would have been playing for almost 6M.. because he's worse than both Nash and Zucc.

 

[Saitama]

Even Kadri would be an improvement on the 2nd line, over Brassard.

He's available. He was available last year. He's going to be available if the Maple Leafs tank again. Changes will be made.

What about Granlund on the Wild?

Scheifele in Wpg, who is about to fire sale?

It doesn't have to be Thornton, Spezza, Stastny, or ROR. But there are better options that Brassard there.

Absolutely zero chance of getting Scheifele away from the Jets.

 

[bernmeister]

This is literally the worst defense I think I've ever seen.

Not the first or last mistake you're making with that determination.

Besides, MUST move Girardi.
Too much $ paid.
Find better fit to AV system.

 

[bernmeister]

What is amazing is that we had several regular season debates where you had everyone convinced that this team wasn't going to amount to anything more than a 2nd round exit and I was arguing that we were so much stronger than you were letting on.

Back then your argument was that I was naive and that we had so many other weaknesses and who knows what else.

Forgive me if I don't necessarily jump to agreement with the person who appraised this team as middle of the pack before the playoffs started and is now saying that a middle of the pack player will suffice on a heavily relied on line.

Eventually, that position will need to be dealt with. Yes, I said need. Brassard will not cut it.

I disagree Brassard doesn't cut it adequately, but more importantly is that there is a synergy of he and Zuc together.

We need to move Girardi + a couple of others to have room to work with and retain important guys.

I disagree with the bold, and while in a vacuum I'd OTHERWISE like to move Stepan who has more value and rely on Brass,
in this instance with these variables, I say, trade Brass + Zuc rights as a package. If we're not doing something bigger with more moving parts (including but not limited to Nash and Jones, eg.) I see those two as a nice fit in Nashville. 11th OA on table? +s both sides?

 

[TheTakedown]

Not the first or last mistake you're making with that determination.

Besides, MUST move Girardi.
Too much $ paid.
Find better fit to AV system.

Bern, that post you made is an absolute abomination and you should be able to see why we feel that way...

You ripped half the forwards apart and put rokies in their place, then ripped half the D apart and put free agents in their place.

Do you understand Team CHEMISTRY in any way?

Hell, have you ever even played hockey? Serious question.

 

[TheTakedown]

I disagree Brassard doesn't cut it adequately, but more importantly is that there is a synergy of he and Zuc together.

We need to move Girardi + a couple of others to have room to work with and retain important guys.

I disagree with the bold, and while in a vacuum I'd OTHERWISE like to move Stepan who has more value and rely on Brass,
in this instance with these variables, I say, trade Brass + Zuc rights as a package. If we're not doing something bigger with more moving parts (including but not limited to Nash and Jones, eg.) I see those two as a nice fit in Nashville. 11th OA on table? +s both sides?

NASH IS NOT GETTING TRADED... he's not going anywhere... you can enjoy these fantasized teams, but you are better off playing NHL 14 then... Nash is here for at least 1 more year, and Zib is nothing close to what you are making him out to be...

You want to take 2 23 year old centerman that both currently score 60 points and swap them for an aging over the hill star and a nobody free agent?

Dear ****ing goodness

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Step would be great as a 2nd line center and is okay as a 1st line center. Brassard is a solid, but unspectacular 2nd line center. The only way we should be trading either of them is if it's part of a blockbuster to get a "true" first line center in his prime or on the cusp. In other words, it's probably not - and probably should not be - happening. (At least not until Miller or Lindberg steps up to prove he can play at the same level.)

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Absolutely zero chance of getting Scheifele away from the Jets.

Let alone Granlund.

 

[hi]

bernmeister, I appreciate your imagination and your posts.

 

[Raspewtin]

50 points in 78 games is almost PPG?

He plays on a team that has no defensive structure and they have some very good wingers. I don't think he'd do any better than Brass on the Rangers.

Let me say I, respectfully, completely disagree with you.

Kadri is a lot more dynamic than Brassard, a lot faster, and a lot more physical. The year he had 44 in 48, he was playing on the 3rd line.

He's absolutely a better player than Brassard.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Let me say I, respectfully, completely disagree with you.

Kadri is a lot more dynamic than Brassard, a lot faster, and a lot more physical. The year he had 44 in 48, he was playing on the 3rd line.

He's absolutely a better player than Brassard.

and Toronto isn't just going to give him away.. what do you offer?

 

[bernmeister]

Bern, that post you made is an absolute abomination and you should be able to see why we feel that way...

You ripped half the forwards apart and put rokies in their place, then ripped half the D apart and put free agents in their place.

Do you understand Team CHEMISTRY in any way?

Hell, have you ever even played hockey? Serious question.

As noted previously, having enough actual talent is more important than chemistry.

They razzed the living **** out of John Adams for constantly bringing up the subject of independence. It took Franklin and Jefferson to seal the deal, but Adams was ultimately proven right.

I have been saying we need to trade certain guys for a profit.
Now we are starting to see that come to roost.
Holding on to Girardi is folly, it will cost us.
RB is on record as to Staal.
etc.

These moves have to be made. Sooner or later.
But by all means yell at me all ya want, I will be proven correct on most of my points, wait and see.

In any event, got tooo much to do this w/e
peace and love to all , including those who would be my enemy.