It will be 3 wins most probably on Wednesday. For the rest we will see. rest will be gravy but it wouldnt be complete scifi anymore if we won some more.
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It will be 3 wins most probably on Wednesday. For the rest we will see. rest will be gravy but it wouldnt be complete scifi anymore if we won some more.
It was a great game to watch. Poland was still better i thought with better chances. still a great game. Well we will see about what place will be who. Still a long way off.
P.S. Guys are there any highlight reals of the games anywhere? i cant find anything.
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I cant really comment about Medveščak much from 'what will happen in next 5-10 years' point of view. Mainly cause i dont really know (shrug) and partly cause i think its to complicated for this thread (there definitly are good and bad sides to the story). But i would like to use this opportunity and say that im envious and i wouldn't mind having a club with a management and organization like that in Slovenia. Great succes story so far and great job in first KHL season, will be cheering for you next year too.
And tbh i dont really understand the fuss about 'non' croatian players on the roster? Im sure there are rules about that and im sure they are sticking to them? On the other hand from fan POV its only important if 'foreign' players do smth good for NT.. if they play with their heart and are not there just taking away a spot for younger (potentially worse) player in need of experience.
And it seems to me (and i admit im not following Cro NT very closely) the addition of few 'cronucks' is making a beneficial impact to the NT and to the popularization of the sport in the country.. that can only be good right?
Anyway.. gj so far.. one more win tomorrow and you are in a good spot to fight for number one till the end of the tournament.
And tbh i dont really understand the fuss about 'non' croatian players on the roster? Im sure there are rules about that and im sure they are sticking to them? On the other hand from fan POV its only important if 'foreign' players do smth good for NT.. if they play with their heart and are not there just taking away a spot for younger (potentially worse) player in need of experience.
And it seems to me (and i admit im not following Cro NT very closely) the addition of few 'cronucks' is making a beneficial impact to the NT and to the popularization of the sport in the country.. that can only be good right?
Anyway.. gj so far.. one more win tomorrow and you are in a good spot to fight for number one till the end of the tournament.
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Tnx m8 n nicely summed up. Man i wish Medvescak would just copy ur hocky schools system n train some of our coaches there. U guys on d ammount of ice rinks u have easily the best player development system for sure.
P.S. highlights?
P.S. highlights?
An artificially propped up pro club makes sense in Croatian case. It gives a lot of exposure to the sport. With the increased popularity, you've got something to build on and you can improve your hockey program that way.
In the Slovenian case an artificially propped up KHL club would only destroy the hockey pyramid.
Slovenians have incredible clubs and school. all they need is sponsorship which they lack at the moment with the recession.
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Unless the "artificially propped up club" shows up in Slovenia ASAP, there might not be Slovenian hockey on this level soon. They might completely loose the financing for professional hockey. Olimpija is already now on verge of being reregistered in Zagreb as Croatian club in order to avoid Jesenice faith. They would still play in Ljubljana but they would be part of Croatian system and Medveščak's farm team in EBEL. Similar to how Orli Znojmo are registered as Vienna based club.
Unless Olimpija is saved, soon the only change for Slovenian kids to play pro might be going abroad. That certainly isn't good for their hockey (system, pyramid, however you call it).
So much about your knowledge about the hockey in this region.
Unless Olimpija is saved, soon the only change for Slovenian kids to play pro might be going abroad. That certainly isn't good for their hockey (system, pyramid, however you call it).
So much about your knowledge about the hockey in this region.
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Thats not entirely true. Maribor has never had a professional team yet they have produced NT players like Mursak, Robar, Verlic (+ some interesting juniors like Unuk that are comming up) and guys like Gregorc, Kopitar, Urbas, Gracnar.. have never played professionally in Slovenia but left abroad during their teenage years.
As far as the youth development programme I think things overall havent been better in a long while, now that six teams play in the international INL league (rebirth of hockey in Celje is another positive side in this project). Sure Jesenice is a big minus, them not playing in EBEL, but I am also certain that sooner or later they will return (Kopitar family themselves said couple of times they would be ready to enter the club, though, only if all the leaches and hyenas that brought Jesenice hockey where it is today leaves and gets kicked out). Even if Slovenia will not have a team in EBEL they will be still producing young talents in the INL and those will be picked up by clubs from abroad. Either by EBEL clubs or clubs from Sweden or the Czech Republic where lots of talent are heading anyways.
About Olimpija registering in Zagreb. I believe the main reason for that is so that the Olimpija board would "re-found" their club and erease their debt (over 0,5 million only in taxes alone). Years ago things like that were possible, but now they arent anymore and it will be interesting what will they do. I doubt they will be allowed to do that and they shouldnt be. Let them pay off all the creditors first and then do what they want. This project buffles me though. I dont understand why for example would Medvescak invest in a farm team that would be playing in another country and not be investing in another Zagreb based club or founding Medvescak II that would serve them as their own farm team (either playing in EBEL or INL) where young Croatians would be given a chance. If they plan to pay off Olimpija's creditors (which I doubt) than that would have been extra crazy.
As far as the youth development programme I think things overall havent been better in a long while, now that six teams play in the international INL league (rebirth of hockey in Celje is another positive side in this project). Sure Jesenice is a big minus, them not playing in EBEL, but I am also certain that sooner or later they will return (Kopitar family themselves said couple of times they would be ready to enter the club, though, only if all the leaches and hyenas that brought Jesenice hockey where it is today leaves and gets kicked out). Even if Slovenia will not have a team in EBEL they will be still producing young talents in the INL and those will be picked up by clubs from abroad. Either by EBEL clubs or clubs from Sweden or the Czech Republic where lots of talent are heading anyways.
About Olimpija registering in Zagreb. I believe the main reason for that is so that the Olimpija board would "re-found" their club and erease their debt (over 0,5 million only in taxes alone). Years ago things like that were possible, but now they arent anymore and it will be interesting what will they do. I doubt they will be allowed to do that and they shouldnt be. Let them pay off all the creditors first and then do what they want. This project buffles me though. I dont understand why for example would Medvescak invest in a farm team that would be playing in another country and not be investing in another Zagreb based club or founding Medvescak II that would serve them as their own farm team (either playing in EBEL or INL) where young Croatians would be given a chance. If they plan to pay off Olimpija's creditors (which I doubt) than that would have been extra crazy.
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No one understand that Olimpija project because its mostly forum and tabloid talk so far. Until we see more details about that its all a mystery.
If you ask me Jesenice are more important than Olimpija. Your true talent base is there and its good that they managed to have at least INL team. Kids have somewhere decent to play (and get noticed) and that's the most important thing.
If you ask me Jesenice are more important than Olimpija. Your true talent base is there and its good that they managed to have at least INL team. Kids have somewhere decent to play (and get noticed) and that's the most important thing.
Slovenian kids shouldn't be playing at a pro level in Slovenia if the demand for hockey isn't high enough domestically.
The end goal is a broad-based system with sufficient infrastructure and thousands of players playing at various levels. You build things bottom-up, not the other way around.
That is the only way of creating a self-sufficient hockey pyramid that won't collapse when the Slovenian government or the Russian government decides to stop financing a hypothetical major pro club.
I know from first hand experience that a propped up major pro team eats up all of your resources and destroys your hockey pyramid from within, and makes it hostage to the financial backing of the team's owner.
The Olimpija thing is not about farm team but litteraly about fusion of the clubs and its very simple its all about money. Olimpija spend most sponsor money on player saleries. This way since 5-6 players from KHL Medvescak would come that is 5-6 less quality players that dont have to be payed for by Olimpija. For Medvescak the benefit is (while just the opposite for Croatian players) that they dont have to take away from the main KHL club 100k euros from their budget for additional 25 players in Medvescak 2 farm team and they save up on travel expenses and gear (unkown ammount of funds depending on what league they play in). All that is supplied by Olimpija. For that they can buy additional quality KHL player. Also if Olimpija is in EBEL those extra KHL players play in a stronger league than they would in the farm team (which would probably be in the INL league most probably or MOL). Now things could be set that Medvescak has a roster (set as farm team players) of a few extra talented young Croatians that would be obliged by the fusion contract to play certain ammount of minutes per game in Olimpija team along with the extra quality KHL players so they would be a farm team of sorts but only for select few, unlike classical farm team that would have a roster of wider veriety of young talents, somewhat older highest class Croatian league players and KHL extras which would be beneficial in all ways to more Cro players and the NT in the end(since the coach would have to be of certain caliber). Problem with this, besides money is Ice time. That farm team would have to have same ice time treatment (ammount of time on ice) as the KHL league team mates for it to be an effective farm team and keep the players in shape and KHL worthy. And as we all know great problem until the new ice rink is built in Dubrava (or Delnice finished) a few years is exactly that. Olimpija doesnt have that problem.
Simply till the new ice rink is made the KHL league team is the only one who has the right ammount of ice time for training. Even with the New ice rink built and the smaller one for kids aswell will be just enough for all the Zagreb clubs (and the EBELu18s and u20s) to have functional ammount of ice time. 1 more ice rink after that would be ideal (since there are also other winter ice sports that need ice time aswell).
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tony d
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No surprise to see Croatia and Poland ahead here, will be interesting to see which nation comes out ahead.
With less than 3 minutes to go, the Netherlands score their first goal of the tournament, ensuring Poland will not have another shutout.
And I agree, while I think Poland probably will beat Croatia this year and get promoted, they are on the downswing while Croatia is trending up. And while the Cronucks play a large part of that, so does having the KHL in Zagreb; even if it means little to no youth development, it allows a few Croatian players to play in one of the best leagues in the world, something the Polish players largely don't do (though if Gdansk is serious about applying for a KHL team, as was rumoured last year, that could of course change).
And I agree, while I think Poland probably will beat Croatia this year and get promoted, they are on the downswing while Croatia is trending up. And while the Cronucks play a large part of that, so does having the KHL in Zagreb; even if it means little to no youth development, it allows a few Croatian players to play in one of the best leagues in the world, something the Polish players largely don't do (though if Gdansk is serious about applying for a KHL team, as was rumoured last year, that could of course change).
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I think some of you are overrating Croatia big time. Few lucky victories against struggling teams and all pre-tournament expectations get thrown out of the window.. You remind me those guys who traded Giroux for Hertl in October
1:0 or 2:1 is a lucky victory. not 4:0. That is a deserved victory.
First time we are behind 1:0. Now i am interested to see how we work in this situation.
First time we are behind 1:0. Now i am interested to see how we work in this situation.
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Netherlands were easily beaten, they are a weaker team. On paper Great Britain is much stronger, and outshot Croatia 33-18, won a large majority of the faceoffs and controlled possession, the goalie just had a howler and the coach does not know how to run a powerplay. That wasn't a deserved victory for Croatia, it just wasn't a deserved victory for Great Britain either. Great Britain played exactly the same way against Romania and the difference was they actually managed to find the net on the PP.
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http://onhockey.tv/
And it was a stupid goal. Blagus missed a dead chance (litteraly had to just push it in) and gave away the puck for a break away.
But Rendulic got one back.
And it was a stupid goal. Blagus missed a dead chance (litteraly had to just push it in) and gave away the puck for a break away.
But Rendulic got one back.
Well, that's the one I'm watching.
Romania's struggling now, should be just a matter of time until Croatia ties it.
Croatia has always a really bad first third. Rest are much better. Really to bad about Blaguses dead chance and 2-3 chances by Rendulic.
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