I didn't say he isn't, I'm saying they are both prone to making mistakes that leave you shaking your head. You take the bad with the good with those guys and 2 on 1 team would drive people crazy
2014 CBJ Offseason Thread II (All proposals, "blog" rumors, speculation in here)
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I didn't say he isn't, I'm saying they are both prone to making mistakes that leave you shaking your head. You take the bad with the good with those guys and 2 on 1 team would drive people crazy
fox2usp
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Viqsi
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The Soupy-related idea I had in the back of my mind was Umberger and Anisimov for Campbell and Fleischmann. Of course, that assumes they're willing to sell low on Fleischmann.
Fro
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i don't think they would sell low on Fleisch...but there may still be a deal there...if Umby would waive for FLA...i'd like to have Upshall back 
(mostly kidding)
(mostly kidding)I'm still surprised at the lack of chatter around this club. Maybe this is by design, but even when dry white toast Howson was in charge, there were tidbits being tossed around by the press. Outside of what's already known about Umberger, the only thing I've really seen was about our internal retention plans. I'm ready for some juice, get the rumors flowing.
I'm fond of all of you, but we're starting to reach with our speculation. I'd really like to latch on to a juicy tidbit.
I'm fond of all of you, but we're starting to reach with our speculation. I'd really like to latch on to a juicy tidbit.
We're going after Crosby, Joey has a raging Cheetos addiction and Boll is thinking about becoming a woman.
And GO!
Fro
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interesting list....i think i agree with it
http://spectorshockey.net/blog/this-summers-nhl-buyer-beware-list/
http://spectorshockey.net/blog/this-summers-nhl-buyer-beware-list/
Crosby wants to play with Dubinsky instead of getting crushed in the corners by him, the hunt is on for Cheetos Cool Kat, and if Boll continues to grow his hair as it is, I can see the thought process. He might look like Marla Hooch from a League of their Own, but hey, whatever floats your boat.
It is an interesting list. There are some viable options on this list. It's all a question of if the rewards outweigh the risks.
If we were to acquire any of these listed, here's my thoughts:
Vanek - too much potential for Gaborik 2.0. I'm just not sure his style fits here.
Kesler - Aging, injury prone. Style fits, but won't waive to come here.
Miller - not looking for goaltender, but on the market, his playoff performance gives pause.
Letang - His health concerns are totally legit and too big to overlook.
Callahan - This is the toughest one. He's asking for the moon and is likely not worth what he's asking. He is probably the best fit for our style on the market, he's the guy the Jackets probably want the most.
Lecavalier - I personally am intrigued by this one. Yes he's 34, but he's still got oodles of skill. His wrister is still as wicked as anyone's. He's probably easier to acquire than ever before and is likely a 2C upgrade. The only way I would do this deal is if it were a swap for Umberger. Another veteran leader for the locker room that has won a cup, that's valuable in my book.
Hemsky - Skill is not the question, his injury history is. If he could stay healthy, this would be a skill upgrade option. Big problem is that his style of play is not a very good fit here.
Bolland - He's a bottom six player that believes he's a top six. Way too rich.
Umberger - Similar to Bolland, only he's under contract and is way overpaid at this point. Plays his guts out, so any team that does acquire him is going to get his best. The problem is his best isn't good enough anymore.
Legwand - Agree with the lists explanation. I don't see any reason why the Jackets would have any interest.
Cowumbus
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To Cbj
Eberle
Gagner
To Edm
Umberger
2nd
Prospect or 2nd
Anisimov
Tyutin
Golobeuff and a 1st and prospect for a #1 dman
Jenner Johansen Eberle
Dubinsky Statsny Horton
Calvert Gagner Atkinson
Letestu Wennberg Mackenzie
Johnson _____
Murray erixon
Wisniewski Savard
Eberle
Gagner
To Edm
Umberger
2nd
Prospect or 2nd
Anisimov
Tyutin
Golobeuff and a 1st and prospect for a #1 dman
Jenner Johansen Eberle
Dubinsky Statsny Horton
Calvert Gagner Atkinson
Letestu Wennberg Mackenzie
Johnson _____
Murray erixon
Wisniewski Savard
Fro
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dude...love the passion...but stop with proposals...they're bad...you'd get ripped to shreds on the mains for most of them...
EspenK
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Only guys on the list I'm interested in are Vanek, Hemsky and Callahan but their respective demands for term and probably $ rule them out.
I still like Iginla for 2 yrs at whatever $ it takes. He fits style, we have the cap and in 2 yrs its see ya. Pipe dreams die hard.
I still like Iginla for 2 yrs at whatever $ it takes. He fits style, we have the cap and in 2 yrs its see ya. Pipe dreams die hard.
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cbjfaninmo
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There are some good players on this list, but I still don't see any of these guys where the timing is good for the Jackets to pick them up. I would pass.
cbjfaninmo
4 those about 2 rock
This is actually (surprise!) a well constructed trade. If we retain a little salary on Umby then I think the value is even and it makes both teams a lot better. I've talked to Oiler fans about both parts of this deal separately before - (Arty + Tyuts for Eberle, and Umberger ++ for Gagner) , and they have some reticence about going for it but admit its even and gives them the players they need.
The reason I like the idea of pairing these deals in one is because we don't have to go out and sign Stastny or some other center to an insane long term deal. Gagner has two years left (and he's a very adept scorer still with big upside IMO), and in two years we're done with his contract and we can make space for Wennberg/Jenner to take over at center.
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Cowumbus
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I was sitting at the bar after a round of golf at Pinnacle Golf Club yesterday, and JD happened to be 2 chairs down from me. He had just finished playing as well. I ended getting to talk to him for a bit. Super nice guy. Obviously, he's not going to reveal anything of significance to me but I asked about a few players. The only time I received what I thought was a favorable read on a player was when I asked if I should be ready to buy a Callahan jersey in a few weeks.
I know it doesn't mean anything but thought it was kind of neat to be able to talk to him. He was very open and easy to talk to.
Fro
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for me, too many working parts...the value is probably there, but I just think its too much, when you posted on the mains as two separate trades, it looked better than at first view here...
and I wasn't trying to be an ahole either...just you've posted a bunch of them and several have been off in value one way or another, or didn't take the other teams needs into consideration...that's all...
Unless we get a top 6 player back from an Umberger trade(which would obviously include more than just umby) count me all on board for Vanek. He most definitely would slot into the top 6 and give Johansen a capable goal scorer and instantly revive our PP.
Good and bad comparables to Gaborik without the glass body. Yes he didn't show heart in Montreal but it's not the first time a highly skilled player underperformed in the playoffs.
Callahan just wants to much money, and is more of the same of what we had. And from what it seems like is a leader type player, which IMO we already have 3 or 4 guys like that and 2 or 3 already fighting for a C on their jersey.
To me it's Vanek or bust. Wait until after camp, if Wennberg or any other rookie makes the team then we wait to see how they perform and go from there.
Just my .02
Good and bad comparables to Gaborik without the glass body. Yes he didn't show heart in Montreal but it's not the first time a highly skilled player underperformed in the playoffs.
Callahan just wants to much money, and is more of the same of what we had. And from what it seems like is a leader type player, which IMO we already have 3 or 4 guys like that and 2 or 3 already fighting for a C on their jersey.
To me it's Vanek or bust. Wait until after camp, if Wennberg or any other rookie makes the team then we wait to see how they perform and go from there.
Just my .02
I think we're likely to get rid of Umberger the same way we got him.
Umberger + two 2nd round picks (or one 2nd and some salary) for a 1st rounder.
Umberger + two 2nd round picks (or one 2nd and some salary) for a 1st rounder.
EspenK
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So much for July 1 being the start of free agency.
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/19/teams-can-now-discuss-contract-details-with-pending-free-agents-during-interview-period/related/
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/19/teams-can-now-discuss-contract-details-with-pending-free-agents-during-interview-period/related/
alphafox
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Would this still count for O'Reilly? I could see us putting in an offer sheet for him. A first, second, and third for RO'R would be phenomenal return.
CBJWerenski8
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I think that only applies to unrestricted.
You know what sucks? If Colorado didn't match that offersheet from the Flames, they would have had to place him on waivers to get him on their NHL team (Well documented when it happened.) waiver orders say the worst team gets best shot, guess who was the worst team in the NHL when this was all going down?
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