2014 CBJ Offseason Thread II (All proposals, "blog" rumors, speculation in here)

[CBOJ]

I think Marleau would be a good target, but I'm wondering what the cost would be. Cam + 1st? I'd be borderline on doing that deal. I don't think there is anyway SJ takes Umby in a deal unless we pay them to do so

Trade umberger + for marleau

Jenner johansen Horton
Marleau Anisimov Foligno
Calvert Dubinsky Atkinson
Mackenzie Wennberg Letestu

Tyutin Johnson
Acquired dman Murray
Wisniewski Savard

 

[Jackets16]

Trade umberger + for marleau

Jenner johansen Horton
Marleau Anisimov Foligno
Calvert Dubinsky Atkinson
Mackenzie Wennberg Letestu

Tyutin Johnson
Acquired dman Murray
Wisniewski Savard

Not worth what it would cost to get him.

 

[Jackets16]

Also what about shifting Joey to the Rwing I know it's crazy but we could get a good center or shift Boone back to center and do something with that

______ _______ Johansen
Jenner Dubinsky Horton
Foligno Anisimov Atkinson
Calvert Letestu Mackenzie

Absolutely no!

 

[Crede777]

Instead of Marleau, I think we should go after Pavelski (if he's available). I think Johansen - Pavelski - Dubinsky - Mackenzie would be one of the nastiest center lineups there is. He also regularly keeps in touch with Jack Johnson (or at least did so last year) so maybe there'd be a connection. He'd also be the quintessential "Blue Jackets Hockey" player.

It'd cost us a lot but I think it'd be worth it as long as it's not Johansen, Jenner, or Murray.

I was thinking Roster Player + Prospect + 1st 2014.

 

[Fro]

I agree with wanting Pavs...but if I'm SJS, why am I dealing him for pieces?

 

[Crede777]

It's a good question, although if they're going to deal Pavelski I don't see them getting an equal or better player for him. I think it'd have to be for a package. Keep in mind, that's IF they're going to deal Pavelski. Their GM Doug Wilson said guys 30+ would be looked at being moved, and Pavelski turns 30 in a week so I don't know if they're keeping him or trading him.

The package I listed matches up with what Carter got. The actual package I had in mind was Anisimov + Rychel + 16th overall which is a pretty hefty return depending on how you'd value those assets.

 

[EspenK]

I don't think trading Pavelski is in the Sharks plans but the package you propose would have to make them think twice I think in terms of helping them get younger.

 

[Jimmys7]

Also what about shifting Joey to the Rwing I know it's crazy but we could get a good center or shift Boone back to center and do something with that

______ _______ Johansen
Jenner Dubinsky Horton
Foligno Anisimov Atkinson
Calvert Letestu Mackenzie

So the CBJ have been waiting for basically their entire existence for a legit first line center, they finally develop one, and you want to move him to the wing? Nothing personal, but that seems like the worst idea ever.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

Trade umberger + for marleau

Jenner johansen Horton
Marleau Anisimov Foligno
Calvert Dubinsky Atkinson
Mackenzie Wennberg Letestu

Tyutin Johnson
Acquired dman Murray
Wisniewski Savard

The Sharks are trying to get younger and cheaper. Would be something like Jenner + for Marleau

 

[WannabeFinn]

The Sharks are trying to get younger and cheaper. Would be something like Jenner + for Marleau

Marleau is good, but no way in hell would I approve of a package deal that includes Jenner.

 

[cbjfaninmo]

Marleau is good, but no way in hell would I approve of a package deal that includes Jenner.

Ditto. That would be taking a step backwards, imo.

 

[WannabeFinn]

Ditto. That would be taking a step backwards, imo.

It makes us 14 years older (Jenner turned 21 a couple days ago, Marleau is 35 in a couple weeks) and also adds an additional ~6m to our payroll. Maybe it makes us better in the next year or two, but in the long run it would be a bad move. That's not even considering what else we might send over in the package.

Bob, Joey, Murray, Jenner. Those are the absolute untouchables on our roster right now IMO.

 

[CBJSlash]

I'm not as sold on the D going far in the playoffs. Wiz melting is also worrisome for the powerplay.

Just a curious idea since Brian Campbell wants out of Florida.

Umberger (4.6, 4.6, 4.6 = 13.8) for Campbell (7.1, 7.1 = 14.2)


We could then easily package a young D with a forward to improve our forwards.

Johnson - Murray
Campbell - Savard
Tyutin - Wiznewski

 

[WannabeFinn]

I'm not as sold on the D going far in the playoffs. Wiz melting is also worrisome for the powerplay.

Just a curious idea since Brian Campbell wants out of Florida.

Umberger (4.6, 4.6, 4.6 = 13.8) for Campbell (7.1, 7.1 = 14.2)


We could then easily package a young D with a forward to improve our forwards.

Johnson - Murray
Campbell - Savard
Tyutin - Wiznewski

Dale Tallon says that Campbell hasn't asked for a trade https://twitter.com/GeorgeRichards/status/479342930490949632

 

[Mayor Bee]

LA traded Wayne Simmons & Brayden Schenn for Mike Richards & JMFJ + a first for Carter. They gave to get.

LW-Jenner,Foligno,Calvert, RW - Horton & Cam. I'd say at the moment we need a RW.

There's a difference between giving to get when it comes to a 26-year-old 30-goal player signed for 8 more years at a great cap hit, and giving to get:
- Someone who's 26, signed for one more year (followed by UFA) and has a career high of 18 goals, and has a tendency to disappear for extended stretches - Chris Stewart
- Someone who will be 35 when next season starts, signed to a huge cap hit and whose decline is inevitable - Patrick Marleau
- Someone with maddeningly inconsistent skill who may have peaked three years ago (the only time he hit 20 goals) and will continue to tantalize with those bursts of extreme skill - Evander Kane

I'm all for taking a gamble; it's in my nature to do so, and I completely understand the mentality. But as The Gambler himself said, "You've gotta know when to hold 'em (and when to fold 'em)".

 

[punk_o_holic]

Rumors were that Campbell rejected a trade to Columbus at the draft(which is why they then went after Wisniewski). But Howson denied that they made a trade for him(Although I think he was trying to protect the image of the Blue Jackets, rather then admit another player didn't want to go to Columbus).

Would Campbell now want to go to Columbus because of new management and what they did in the playoffs or does he want to go to a legit contender?

 

[Fro]

interesting thought...if FLA kept some salary, i think i'd like to get him...would just help the defense out

 

[Cowumbus]

What is price of Byfuglien?

Could we trade umberger, 2nd, + for him?

 

[stevo61]

What is price of Byfuglien?

Could we trade umberger, 2nd, + for him?

It would cost more then that and we already have enough people who dont like Wiz. Wiz and Buff on the same team would make some peoples heads explode

 

[spintheblackcircle]

Marleau is good, but no way in hell would I approve of a package deal that includes Jenner.

Oh I wouldn't deal Jenner either. I am just saying what they would probably want.

 

[cslebn]

It would cost more then that and we already have enough people who dont like Wiz. Wiz and Buff on the same team would make some peoples heads explode

Guessing he sees Buff as a winger

 

[Mayor Bee]

What is price of Byfuglien?

Could we trade umberger, 2nd, + for him?

I don't want to know what that + could possibly refer to.

It would probably cost less to acquire Byfuglien than Kane, and I think Byfuglien could be better suited to be a garbage goal-scoring wing than Kane. He also has the added dimension of being able to fill in on the blueline and create an entirely different look.

 

[Sore Loser]

Depends on who it would be. If it's me, then everyone should be relieved that such a logical and grounded individual is in command. If it's anyone else, then I'm with you.

 

[major major]

I'm not as sold on the D going far in the playoffs. Wiz melting is also worrisome for the powerplay.

Just a curious idea since Brian Campbell wants out of Florida.

Umberger (4.6, 4.6, 4.6 = 13.8) for Campbell (7.1, 7.1 = 14.2)


We could then easily package a young D with a forward to improve our forwards.

Johnson - Murray
Campbell - Savard
Tyutin - Wiznewski

The thing that makes a lot of sense here is that we have a lot of caproom so we can take the bigger contract over the short run, and it expires earlier giving us a lot more options down the road.

 

[major major]

It would cost more then that and we already have enough people who dont like Wiz. Wiz and Buff on the same team would make some peoples heads explode

It would cost a lot lot more.. but Buff >> Wiz. And I like Wiz.

I don't want to know what that + could possibly refer to.

It would probably cost less to acquire Byfuglien than Kane, and I think Byfuglien could be better suited to be a garbage goal-scoring wing than Kane. He also has the added dimension of being able to fill in on the blueline and create an entirely different look.

Buff would still bomb it from the point on the powerplay, even as he plays forward at evens. That's what he did from Noel's last game on. For whatever reason he really prefers playing defence, which is a bit uncomfortable to hear. I'm from the "shut up and do what your coach tells you" school of thought.