2014 CBJ Offseason Thread II (All proposals, "blog" rumors, speculation in here)

[punk_o_holic]

Those are all excellent players. Wheeler is one of the better wingers in the game, IMO. I have no idea why the Jets would move those guys instead of Evander Kane.

I think they move Kane first but I left him out because we had discussions on him already in the past. Also, figured, those 4 would draw interest because until now, it seemed like those players were untouchables.

 

[Mayor Bee]

Mackenzie tweeted that the Jets maybe open to trading any player. Any interests in these guys???

SCHEIFELE- Don't think he is going anywhere though.
Next 3 have some sort of NTC.
LADD 2 years $4.4. mil/season
WHEELER 5 years $5.6 mil/season
LITTLE 4 years $4.7 mil/season

I think the first 3 I listed will cost a lot to acquire but would look great in Columbus imo. Little, might not cost as much to acquire but would he fit in?

Anyone coming from Winnipeg will likely cost a ton. I don't believe their front office has any concept of what type of value their players have, and I wouldn't be shocked if they go from "NOTHING will get these players" to "a handful of draft picks for our best players? Sure."

I seriously question whether they're honestly convinced that there's some type of contagious plague that touched everyone who came from Atlanta, despite the fact that the only players on the roster who are worth a damn are all ex-Thrashers except Trouba and Scheifele.

Those are all excellent players. Wheeler is one of the better wingers in the game, IMO. I have no idea why the Jets would move those guys instead of Evander Kane.

I'd have to imagine that the likely demand of obscene value for anyone on their roster is the issue. Hell, look at what the rumored price for Bogosian has been, and that's someone who's shown about the same to this point as Klesla did.

 

[blahblah]

I'd have to imagine that the likely demand of obscene value for anyone on their roster is the issue. Hell, look at what the rumored price for Bogosian has been, and that's someone who's shown about the same to this point as Klesla did.

Yeah, my understanding is that the Jets are very unrealistic in their demands. It's their right but they are probably going to start losing more of these guys to FA. They could easily turn into a Edmonton type of destination for FA's.

 

[Mayor Bee]

Yeah, my understanding is that the Jets are very unrealistic in their demands. It's their right but they are probably going to start losing more of these guys to FA. They could easily turn into a Edmonton type of destination for FA's.

My idea (because I don't know the meaning of the phrase "just drop it" or "give it a rest") was Umberger for Burmistrov and Kulda.

Winnipeg gains an NHL-caliber player who can slot in on their top-9. Columbus sheds the contract and picks up two players who will be in the KHL for next year. Kulda will be there through this coming season and then hit UFA status, while Burmistrov will still be an RFA. Winnipeg gets to claim that they're improving their depth while also giving them the chance to move a winger (Kane), and also gets to silence people who say that they lack the balls to make a trade (me, but I wouldn't buy that claim anyway).

It's a lot more optimal than Umberger and a 1st for a 2nd or some crap.

 

[Crede777]

It's optimal but:
1. Umberger will waive for Winnipeg?
2. Winnipeg will take on Umberger's salary?

 

[Mayor Bee]

It's optimal but:
2. Winnipeg will take on Umberger's salary?

Unknown, but it would be possible to retain salary. I have yet to pick apart the CBA to find the specific terms of salary retention, namely whether it's possible to conditionally retain salary and what the parameters of said conditions would be.

The question of what Winnipeg will do is a complete unknown. I'm pretty sure their GM has bird **** on his shoulders from acting like a statue for three years.

1. Umberger will waive for Winnipeg?

"Hi RJ, it's Jarmo. Good, how's the family? That's good. Yeah, listen, here's what we've got going on.

I've got one team that's actually made an offer, and that's Winnipeg. I'm asking you to waive the NTC for that, I'm not telling you. But if you don't, then we'll proceed with the waiver process. A few other teams asked about you but didn't make an offer, so I don't know who else is really interested, but the interest seems to be there from a few teams.

You and Kesler buried the hatchet on that whole thing, right? Oh. Well, you might have to do so at some point then."

 

[pete goegan]

Unknown, but it would be possible to retain salary. I have yet to pick apart the CBA to find the specific terms of salary retention, namely whether it's possible to conditionally retain salary and what the parameters of said conditions would be.

The question of what Winnipeg will do is a complete unknown. I'm pretty sure their GM has bird **** on his shoulders from acting like a statue for three years.



"Hi RJ, it's Jarmo. Good, how's the family? That's good. Yeah, listen, here's what we've got going on.

I've got one team that's actually made an offer, and that's Winnipeg. I'm asking you to waive the NTC for that, I'm not telling you. But if you don't, then we'll proceed with the waiver process. A few other teams asked about you but didn't make an offer, so I don't know who else is really interested, but the interest seems to be there from a few teams.

You and Kesler buried the hatchet on that whole thing, right? Oh. Well, you might have to do so at some point then."

I'm very disappointed that you haven't developed a written accent style for Jarmo, yet (a la your Cherry rants)!

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I've got one team that's actually made an offer, and that's Winnipeg. I'm asking you to waive the NTC for that, I'm not telling you. But if you don't, then we'll proceed with the waiver process. A few other teams asked about you but didn't make an offer, so I don't know who else is really interested, but the interest seems to be there from a few teams.

This to my point about the team offering some professional "face-saving" to the player.

 

[Mayor Bee]

I'm very disappointed that you haven't developed a written accent style for Jarmo, yet (a la your Cherry rants)!

The only Finnish guy I've ever talked to was named Jaakko and sounded like he had no tongue. I half-expect any Finn to sound like that, just as I (for some reason) am always shocked that Karl Alzner doesn't sound like Colonel Klink.

This to my point about the team offering some professional "face-saving" to the player.

Who can forget Manny Malhotra spurning the Thrashers' three- or four-year contract offer, only to be stuck with nothing more than a training camp invite as an unsigned player with San Jose? He parlayed that into a lucrative one-year deal for the league minimum, so I'm guessing it was worth it.

 

[Crede777]

I'd imagine Jarmo sounds like the stereotypical Bond villain.

It's a shame, though, that GM's seem to forget that they're the boss and not the players. That's one criticism Jurgen Klinsmen (the US Men's soccer head coach) had of American sports.

To Klinsmann, the idea that Donovan deserved a place on the team represented much that is wrong with American sports. He has never understood the American coaching custom of deferring to a team’s stars.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/08/m...-us-soccer-better-and-less-american.html?_r=1

 

[CBJRzeznik]

I think that underrates him. He's more creative than Gaborik but doesn't have the great finishing touch that Gaborik does. I'd take him as long as we're not giving him a raise (above $5m).

It wouldn't surprise me if Hemsky is on our radar. It makes sense but I have multiple concerns. First, the lack of durability which I'm sure concerns everyone. My second concern is that while he looked great down the stretch with OTT, I still remember Hitch essentially saying to beware of those players that put up big numbers once the games are meaningless. That always stuck with me. Is Hemsky that kind of mirage player or could he be a real plus for us? Nonetheless, he is looking to cash in big so the likely scenario is someone other than CBJ will likely give him Horton $/term and end up regretting it.

 

[cbjfaninmo]

It wouldn't surprise me if Hemsky is on our radar. It makes sense but I have multiple concerns. First, the lack of durability which I'm sure concerns everyone. My second concern is that while he looked great down the stretch with OTT, I still remember Hitch essentially saying to beware of those players that put up big numbers once the games are meaningless. That always stuck with me. Is Hemsky that kind of mirage player or could he be a real plus for us? Nonetheless, he is looking to cash in big so the likely scenario is someone other than CBJ will likely give him Horton $/term and end up regretting it.

I don't want Hemsky. Probably too much $/term. Jarmo needs to do better than Hemsky.

 

[CBJRzeznik]

I don't want Hemsky. Probably too much $/term. Jarmo needs to do better than Hemsky.

Totally agree...just being gentle in my original presentation so as not to offend the more fragile Hemsky fans

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

GOALTENDERS
Sergei Bobrovsky ($5.625m)
Alex Stalock ($0.900m)

- Stalock (1 yr, $900K) - Hungry backup who could play heavy minutes for Bob if needed. Highly athletic and could be insurance. Has ability to play regularly if necessary.

http://sharks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=722944&navid=DL|SJS|home

Stalock re-signs today in San Jose.

And this from the mains:

The numbers from #SJSharks on two-year deal for Stalock: $1.5M and $1.7M;

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Not that it matters anyway because we wouldn't be interested, but Spezza apparently has all of the Canada teams, Nashville, Columbus, NYI, and Florida on his no trade list.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/n...nada--predators--isles--report-182638839.html

 

[Sore Loser]

Not that it matters anyway because we wouldn't be interested, but Spezza apparently has all of the Canada teams, Nashville, Columbus, NYI, and Florida on his no trade list.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/n...nada--predators--isles--report-182638839.html

It sucks that we get lumped in with teams like the Islanders and Florida ... but, for the next few years when we're wrecking whatever team Spezza is getting overpaid by, it will be all the more sweet.

 

[Fro]

i didn't really want a mid 30's aging center anyways...goes against that whole getting faster thing...

 

[Sore Loser]

i didn't really want a mid 30's aging center anyways...goes against that whole getting faster thing...

I would love to add Spezza ... but, similar to my thoughts on Nash. I would love to slot Spezza into a second line role behind Johansen and put Dubinsky on his wing. That's a legit second line, no matter who you put on the right side. So, I'd love to add Spezza in the $4.5-5.0 million/year range.

It won't happen.

 

[cbjfaninmo]

i didn't really want a mid 30's aging center anyways...goes against that whole getting faster thing...

Exactly. He wasted a team on his "list" by putting Columbus on it. Thanks for the favor, Spezza.

 

[Fro]

I would love to add Spezza ... but, similar to my thoughts on Nash. I would love to slot Spezza into a second line role behind Johansen and put Dubinsky on his wing. That's a legit second line, no matter who you put on the right side. So, I'd love to add Spezza in the $4.5-5.0 million/year range.

It won't happen.

maybe said here, but I don't think Spezza wants to be on a second line...thus a reason to put us on a list?

 

[WannabeFinn]

maybe said here, but I don't think Spezza wants to be on a second line...thus a reason to put us on a list?

He'd be 1st line in Nashville, so why would he list them? Plus he didn't list any teams like Chicago/Anaheim that are actively looking for a 2C

 

[Sore Loser]

He'd be 1st line in Nashville, so why would he list them? Plus he didn't list any teams like Chicago/Anaheim that are actively looking for a 2C

Would you want to play hockey in Nashville, if you could go to a team that may be able to make it over the top? Can't say I blame him, personally ...

I think he's being a bit strange about the whole situation. Hopefully, wherever he winds up, it works out for him ... but as we all saw with Dany Heatley, I don't think it will. The whole scenario is playing out very similarly.

 

[WannabeFinn]

Would you want to play hockey in Nashville, if you could go to a team that may be able to make it over the top? Can't say I blame him, personally ...

I think he's being a bit strange about the whole situation. Hopefully, wherever he winds up, it works out for him ... but as we all saw with Dany Heatley, I don't think it will. The whole scenario is playing out very similarly.

I'm not saying he's wrong for wanting to go to a competitor, I just don't think that the teams he listed are the ones he listed because he couldn't/wouldn't play 1C there. That being said, I do think that he would be a huge part of a Predators team that could surprise a lot of people. Already have an amazing D corps and Rinne in the net. Promising young forwards in Jarnkrok, Forsberg, and Smith. Spezza would do a lot to address their scoring issues.

On the other hand, the Central Division is insanely good right now, so he might still not be enough to bring them back to the playoffs.. (assuming they don't acquire other key pieces for their offense)

 

[punk_o_holic]

Kesler doesn't have Columbus on his approved list(but it's been reported his list can change) but what are the chances he adds them if Umberger gets dealt/bought out? Would you guys still want him? Personally for me, I want them to stay away. I dislike him and I think the cost will be too rich.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Kesler doesn't have Columbus on his approved list(but it's been reported his list can change) but what are the chances he adds them if Umberger gets dealt/bought out? Would you guys still want him? Personally for me, I want them to stay away. I dislike him and I think the cost will be too rich.

Like the player, not worth the cost though.

Doubt Kesler would come back either. I think he wants a SCF contender now, not an aspiring one in the next 2-5 years.