Speculation: 2014 - 2015 New York Rangers :: Roster building / proposal thread

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Youth can contribute if , have the picks to draft that youth. The Rangers right now will be going three drafts without a first round pick. They didn't have a second round pick in the2013 draft either.

Yet, they still manage to have players poised to join and make an impact.

It's early yet but 2013 is also looking like a pretty good draft. First round picks are not the only way to find young talent.
 
No need for hyperbole here, questioning what will happen if all of our 'ifs' do not go well doesn't mean anyone is on the ledge. Even as a Stanley Cup finalist last year, we did not wrap up a playoff spot until the last week of the season, so there are no regular season guarantees for this season either.

That said, Sather has an entire summer to improve the roster, I have to believe the team we see now is not the same one that will go into battle in October.

People keep saying this. I don't see anything to indicate that is what will happen. What do you think can happen between now and camp? After the RFA's sign there will be roughly 2 million in cap space.

What realistic improvements do you think can be made at this point? If a guy like Setoguchi signs for between 1 and 1.5, that is about the best improvement we can hope for.

If we trade Staal (our best trade chip) now, we need his replacement in the return package, and the forward would have to be cheap enough to fit under the cap.

We don't have the futures to trade. No 1st in 2015. Or are we looking to not have a 1st four years in a row by giving up the 2016 1st?

Joe Thornton would cost a ton in assets and cap hit. He isn't a "the guy" player anymore, Pavelski scored 40 goals. We don't have that here. O'Reilly isn't going anywhere. Spezza got traded already. Wouldn't really want any of the usual suspect anyway.

Where are the improvements coming from that would drastically alter the makeup of the roster from what it is now?

The best we can hope for is the guys on league minimum deals step up and fill roles and become useful depth players. Hope for continued development from the young guys. Hope that Dan Boyle doesn't decline hard right before our eyes. And hope that with the spare approx. 2 mil. in cap space they can add a guy like Setoguchi and still leave enough cap space to operate during the season.

They are going to have to roll the dice and hope the "ifs" pan out. Every team has the "ifs". I would have argued the Rangers could have missed the playoffs completely last summer but they got to the Final.

I'm not banking on Sather fixing the situation he got himself into. He could have done what other teams do and negotiate contracts mid-season. He could negotiate team friendly long-term deals with young players like other teams do, instead of trying to bend them over and give them 2 year bridge deals that end up backfiring because their next contracts will be larger. He allowed half the team to become free agents both UFA and RFA at the same time. "Fixing" it will mean trading more futures, he has already sacrificed enough futures.

Gorton and Clark have done a decent job finding undrafted free agents and later round picks to restock the system. But, can't rely on that forever.
 
In terms of this upcoming season, we have youth that will challenge for spots and possibly be solid contributors. The effects of those 1st round pickless drafts will be felt further down the road, but not in the next year or two imo.

You can develop youth that can contribute outside of the first two rounds....it will just take longer than usual. Also the college UFA route is another avenue to restock our cheap youth players without picks.

Edit: BRB, what i wrote to SBOB applies to you too. I think we are in a good situation right now where we have arguably half a dozen players (Miller, Lindberg, Fast, Allen, Kristo, Bourque, McI, etc) that will compete for spots in the immediate future and next year.

That may help mitigate the loss of our last three first round picks.

The Rangers had a much stronger stable going back 3,5,8 years. I dont think anyone will argue that.

The question is, are you naming those 6 guys just because they are 6 top prospects, or do you really think they'll make a positive impact with the Rangers?

Because, quite frankly, there will always be 6 names for you to reel off.
 
Yet, they still manage to have players poised to join and make an impact.

It's early yet but 2013 is also looking like a pretty good draft. First round picks are not the only way to find young talent.

Not really sure where you get off saying that, other than just being optimistic.

Miller seems to be the only one thats relatively close...and AV's got problems with him
 
I'm not banking on Sather fixing the situation he got himself into.

But those were all good ideas at the time. And they signed Tanner Glass to a 3 year deal. I'm not sure what you are worried about :sarcasm:

Kidding aside, I pretty much agree with everything you wrote.

If they do have ~2M in cap space to sign another player(s) that pretty much means they did not buy up many, if any, of the UFA years from Brassard and Zucc, while Kreider and Moore take pretty much those same bridge contracts you are referring to.

Does not get any easier next off-season either, Staal, MSL UFAs or their replacements(if any), Hagelin, Stepan arbitration eligible RFAs one year from UFA status.
 
They have players that people believe they can plug in. Make an impact is another story.

Exactly, I'm not high on any of them, whatsoever. Rangers brass has signed a ton of cheap, AHLers in the hope that 1 or 2 of them end up being decent players.

Like SBOB said, 3 years of no first round picks, and selecting a goalie with this year's highest pick doesn't bode well for the future.

The worst part is, we gave away our 1st in 2015 which is supposed to be the deepest draft in over a decade.

I just have this feeling that we won't see a run like we just had (or a Cup, obviously) in the Henrik era.

I have the same exact feeling this offseason as the one when we signed Brashear.
 
Exactly, I'm not high on any of them, whatsoever. Rangers brass has signed a ton of cheap, AHLers in the hope that 1 or 2 of them end up being decent players.

Like SBOB said, 3 years of no first round picks, and selecting a goalie with this year's highest pick doesn't bode well for the future.

The worst part is, we gave away our 1st in 2015 which is supposed to be the deepest draft in over a decade.

I just have this feeling that we won't see a run like we just had (or a Cup, obviously) in the Henrik era.

I hope to be proven wrong but just being able to name players isn't depth. We could all name Marcus Jonasen, Evgeni Grachev, Brodie Dupont, Kenny Roche, Ryan Hilier, Max Campbell, etc a few years ago.

Ryan Bourque was drafted in 09.

If the Ranger felt there were kids ready to step in and make in impact, I'm not sure they give Tanner Glass a three year deal.
 
I hope to be proven wrong but just being able to name players isn't depth. We could all name Marcus Jonasen, Evgeni Grachev, Brodie Dupont, Kenny Roche, Ryan Hilier, Max Campbell, etc a few years ago.

Ryan Bourque was drafted in 09.

If the Ranger felt there were kids ready to step in and make in impact, I'm not sure they give Tanner Glass a three year deal.

Did you really have to name names? At least those names? With the Internet you hear names a lot. When you hear names a lot you start believing. I haven't seen these kids play, well except for Miller, but few are saying this guy is can't miss for next season. It's "if" this and "if" that. OK, you need a spot for a kid to make it, but what happens if the kid isn't a "2C" and the team doesn't make the playoffs? Then we hear about how they went to the Finals, etc... Can't win. Spots are won in training camp. Many can't compete for those spots unless they've earned a shot to compete. And how much happens between their last game and their next practice? Hopefully management has an idea where these kids are. You can come back stronger, quicker, etc., but didn't really gain much experience having not played against high level competition all Summer long.
 
Glass is here to fill a different role than Hrivik/Bourque. It's like saying that signing Justin Falk meant that Allen/John Moore had no real role on this team.
 
Glass is here to fill a different role than Hrivik/Bourque. It's like saying that signing Justin Falk meant that Allen/John Moore had no real role on this team.

I don't see the comparison. Signing Justin Falk mean that Allen didn't waste a year of development sitting in the press box.
 
Exactly, I'm not high on any of them, whatsoever. Rangers brass has signed a ton of cheap, AHLers in the hope that 1 or 2 of them end up being decent players.

Like SBOB said, 3 years of no first round picks, and selecting a goalie with this year's highest pick doesn't bode well for the future.

The worst part is, we gave away our 1st in 2015 which is supposed to be the deepest draft in over a decade.

I just have this feeling that we won't see a run like we just had (or a Cup, obviously) in the Henrik era.

I have the same exact feeling this offseason as the one when we signed Brashear.

Good thing you're a pro scout and Gordie is just a sack of meat throwing darts at a dart board, right? ;).

They signed a bunch of cheap AHL player to be AHL players. I think Rangers brass would be shocked to see one of them be a regular.

Obviously the pool's going to take a hit with no firsts for a few years, but why does that directly translate to "we wont find any talent so we are screwed"?

The offseason we signed Brashear we were coming off of the most unlikeable Ranger team since the second lockout, where we blew a 3-1 lead against the Caps. I just don't see the correlation.
 
I don't see the comparison. Signing Justin Falk mean that Allen didn't waste a year of development sitting in the press box.

I agree. Falk had 1 year at $975k. That's the kind of contract you give to a 7th D or 13th F. Glass' contract makes me believe they have a bigger role in mind for him, which terrifies me. You don't get the contract that they gave Glass to be a 13th forward. They gave him a better contract than Dominic Moore, all things considered. :help:
 
Not really sure where you get off saying that, other than just being optimistic.

Miller seems to be the only one thats relatively close...and AV's got problems with him

Conversely judging from the opinions of some others around here the Rangers will never see a rookie make the team ever again let alone make an impact.
 
I hope to be proven wrong but just being able to name players isn't depth. We could all name Marcus Jonasen, Evgeni Grachev, Brodie Dupont, Kenny Roche, Ryan Hilier, Max Campbell, etc a few years ago.

Ryan Bourque was drafted in 09.

If the Ranger felt there were kids ready to step in and make in impact, I'm not sure they give Tanner Glass a three year deal.

I don't see the correlation with Glass.

He fills a role no prospect we have fills. The closest thing we have to a nasty 4th line energy player is Kantor. Who barely belongs in the AHL.

Even if the Rangers feel they can make a difference, is there any sense in just leaving those holes open to plug kids into with no competition? Of course not.

Saying that about Glass is like saying the Rangers didn't re-sign B. Boyle because they feel Lindberg can step in.

And while "naming players isn't depth" is correct, as lousy as this might make you feel, but this is the deepest pool the Rangers have had in a long time, in terms of "players that could have an NHL future".
 
I don't see the correlation with Glass.
He fills a role no prospect we have fills. The closest thing we have to a nasty 4th line energy player is Kantor. Who barely belongs in the AHL.

To read this board, he fill no hole whatsoever.

Saying that about Glass is like saying the Rangers didn't re-sign B. Boyle because they feel Lindberg can step in.

I'm not sure where this is coming from.

And while "naming players isn't depth" is correct, as lousy as this might make you feel, but this is the deepest pool the Rangers have had in a long time, in terms of "players that could have an NHL future".

I would argue that this isn't even the deepest pool the Rangers have had this decade. Of course, that all depends on how you're defining "players that could have an NHL future".
 
This is a little over the top with the hyperbole. The Rangers can go into the season with this roster. The cap crunch these past couple seasons is influencing how rosters are constructed. Teams need to rely more on low-cost prospects stepping up and filling the gaps. Just look at LA. They don't win the cup without major contributions from the likes of Toffoli and Pearson. We need our guys (Miller, Fast, Lindberg, etc) to step up. If they are unable, we're going to have problems, but every team in the league bar a select few faces the same issue.

You missed my point. That's the view from the many people here. The sky is falling because certain players left. My view is losing players because money is the reality in professional sports today. Salary Cap World. All of the players were supposed to take less so the Rangers can keep the team together. That's not the real world. Every player looks out for themselves.
 
To read this board, he fill no hole whatsoever.



I'm not sure where this is coming from.



I would argue that this isn't even the deepest pool the Rangers have had this decade. Of course, that all depends on how you're defining "players that could have an NHL future".

I don't know what you're trying to say with your first answer.

It comes from the idea that "why would they sign players if they think they have players that could probably fill that role" doesn't make any sense to me. Glass doesn't have anything to do with kids making it, in my opinion. In addition, as sad as this is, we don't have many prospects that project to be 4th line role players. I'm not a fan of throwing rookies on the 4th line either way, those players have defined roles and unless a prospect was brought up with those same roles, it's hoping the round peg will conform to a square.

We'll just agree to disagree on the last point.
 
The cap should have been higher

The insidious nature — or, on the other side, the genius — of a hard-cap system was on display Thursday night and Friday afternoon when the NHLPA voted against including the new Canadian television contract as revenue for purposes of calculating the 2014-15 cap.

The players, concerned about escrow that might have increased by 3 percent if the cap had gone to the projected $71 million, instead authorized a cap of $69 million that will create a significant squeeze on a significant number of the league’s most successful clubs and will cost players jobs on those teams and eliminate those teams as potential destinations when the market opens on Tuesday.

The cap pits player against player — for what’s good for one always costs the next guy money, always. In this case, it was players without contracts for next season against those with contracts.

Despite the urging of executive director Don Fehr, the membership could not and did not see the value in getting as much money in the system as possible and instead went with the penny-wise, pound-foolish approach. Narrow interests won.

Three lockouts later, the players capped themselves.

http://nypost.com/2014/06/28/incredulous-isles-gm-needs-some-wins-to-back-up-his-attitude/

I am sure there are players who didn't like losing an extra 3% of their salaries so Heatley or another older vet can get a decent NHL contract. Heatley has made a ton of money in his NHL career.

The players are guaranteed 50%. That's it. If the players receive more than their 50%,that money comes out of their pockets.

All of those compliance buyouts count against the players share.

The Canadian dollar is another factor. Glenn Healey said a penny drop in the CDN results in $9M. The shortfall comes out of their players pockets.
 
I hope to be proven wrong but just being able to name players isn't depth. We could all name Marcus Jonasen, Evgeni Grachev, Brodie Dupont, Kenny Roche, Ryan Hilier, Max Campbell, etc a few years ago.

Ryan Bourque was drafted in 09.

If the Ranger felt there were kids ready to step in and make in impact, I'm not sure they give Tanner Glass a three year deal.

Although to be fair, the Rangers, somehow, have not been able to develop anyone who can drop their gloves to protect their teammates at forward for a VERY long time
 
I don't know what you're trying to say with your first answer.

My point is the Glass signing have been pretty much universally killed. And while, I want to take a wait-and-see approach (based purely on his past with AV), I still am not sure what role they have for him or how they plan to use them.

It comes from the idea that "why would they sign players if they think they have players that could probably fill that role" doesn't make any sense to me. Glass doesn't have anything to do with kids making it, in my opinion. In addition, as sad as this is, we don't have many prospects that project to be 4th line role players. I'm not a fan of throwing rookies on the 4th line either way, those players have defined roles and unless a prospect was brought up with those same roles, it's hoping the round peg will conform to a square.

I would agree if they hadn't given him a three-year deal.



We'll just agree to disagree on the last point.

More than happy to do that.
 
Although to be fair, the Rangers, somehow, have not been able to develop anyone who can drop their gloves to protect their teammates at forward for a VERY long time

Very true. But if they signed Glass to be a goon, I would have hoped that they had learned from their mistakes when it comes to giving goons multi-year contracts.
 
You missed my point. That's the view from the many people here. The sky is falling because certain players left. My view is losing players because money is the reality in professional sports today. Salary Cap World. All of the players were supposed to take less so the Rangers can keep the team together. That's not the real world. Every player looks out for themselves.

Fair enough. It was early and I hadn't had my coffee yet. My brain was dulled to the subtleties of sarcasm. :laugh:
 
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