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Really don't see this team as its currently constructed being the team that lines up for the first game in October. I think more moves are made after Kreider/Brassard/Zucc are resigned.

They will have a better idea of their cap situation and other players may come available from cap strapped teams or teams that are having a hard time coming to terms w their RFAs.
 
Zil said:
Who gave us more trouble? Was it Pittsburgh with their couple of superstars but thin roster? Or was it LA with their never ending cascade of quality depth? Kopitar didn't kill us in that series. In fact no single King really destroyed us. The whole damn team beat us.
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Honestly? We lost 3 games where we had no chance against Pittsburgh. We lost 1 against the Kings.

Zil said:
What? St. Louis replaced Callahan. Richards is being replaced by JT Miller. If he doesn't morph into a Brandon Dubinsky clone or better this year, then we're going to see a drop off.
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You're talking about roster slot for last season. I'm talking about role for next season. The offense when MSL is on the ice, ES or PP, will flow through him. That was Richards' role last year. It doesn't always have to be a center.

Zil said:
We might add someone, but there's not a whole lot out there, especially at our price range. We'll see.
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There are plenty of 3rd line guys out there that fit our budget ($1-2m).
 
Revelation said:
The "Nyi>Nyr" thread on the main board is pure comedy gold. "Lundqvist is slowing down, Halak is on the rise." :laugh:
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Eh let the Islander fans have their optimism. Its the only thing they have to look forward to each off season. Then the regular season starts and it quickly goes away.

I do think they will be a much better team this season though, so long ass Tavares stays healthy.
 
Aufheben said:
We've lost...our #2C; a 2nd pairing defensemen who was frequently our best behind McDonagh; 2/3 of arguably the best 4th line in the league, and by far the best I've ever seen in Blue, and our best penalty killer..

4 out of our 7 lines/pairings are have been broken up. We'll see. As much as we liked to **** on Brad Richards, we made it to the ECF twice in his 3 years here.

Out:

Boyle
Stralman
Dorsett
Pouliot
Richards

In:

D. Boyle
Glass
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Out:
B.Boyle W/C
Stralman RHD
Dorsett RW
Pouliot LW
Richards C
Diaz RHD
Falk LHD
Carcillo W

In:
D.Boyle RHD
Glass LW
Mueller W/C
Kostka RHD
J.T.Miller C
Hunwick LHD
Tarnasky W

The way i see it is Mueller takes the 4th line RW spot. Kostka will take Diaz's spot at 7th D. Unless a center is brought in Miller takes a spot at C. Hunwick will go to the AHL. And most likely either a kid will take the spot Pouliot held or they will go value there with a low-cost signing. Tarnasky takes Carcillo's spot as 13th F at 600K.

Mueller, Kostka, and Tarnasky are cheap, potentially value guys. Guys getting league minimum that can fill some holes 12th F, 13th F, 7th D.

Going cheap there could potentially allow the Rangers to add a guy like Setoguchi who can skate, has decent size, and can score enough to slot into the hole left by Pouliot.

There won't be any cap space left after that. Looking at around 1 million maybe less to operate with.

Folks holding out for upgrades to the 4th line RW, 13th F, and 7th D are going to be disappointed.

Maybe Tarnasky goes, and maybe Carcillo signs for league minimum on a 1 year deal again. But it is doubtful.

Rangers want one of the 4th line wingers to have the ability to take faceoffs, kill penalties, and be able to provide some forechecking energy. Mueller can do that. Fast can't take faceoffs. But he can skate and is smart enough to be a PKer. I'd prefer he develop in Hartford for a bit. Coming out of the gate in October the Rangers can carry these role players at league minimum each.

Don't want Ribeiro, he has issues. Of the Setoguchi, Heatley, Penner trio, i'd prefer Setoguchi. I think he fits our system more. And he is young enough to have upside. He is a right-handed shot and would give Vigneault more options on the Power Play. Offensive upgrade to Pouliot, IMO.

J.T. Miller takes the center position with two smart veteran guys in Hagelin and St. Louis.

Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Hagelin - Miller - St. louis
Setoguchi - Brassard - Zuccarello
Glass - D.Moore - Mueller
Tarnasky

McDonagh - Girardi
Staal - Boyle
J.Moore - Klein
Kostka

Lundqvist
Talbot

It's not bad. Could be a lot worse.
 
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The Rangers making the Cup final is the worst thing which could have happened to them. Anything less than a return to the Final is a failure. The roster is no good. The Rangers can't enter the season with this roster. Sather has a magic move waiting for later in the summer. The same stuff from during the season about the Rangers finding a way to keep Brad Richards and keep all of their players. All of them take a million less and it can work.

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RangerBoy said:
The Rangers making the Cup final is the worst thing which could have happened to them. Anything less than a return to the Final is a failure. The roster is no good. The Rangers can't enter the season with this roster. Sather has a magic move waiting for later in the summer. The same stuff from during the season about the Rangers finding a way to keep Brad Richards and keep all of their players. All of them take a million less and it can work.

SALARY CAP WORLD
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This is a little over the top with the hyperbole. The Rangers can go into the season with this roster. The cap crunch these past couple seasons is influencing how rosters are constructed. Teams need to rely more on low-cost prospects stepping up and filling the gaps. Just look at LA. They don't win the cup without major contributions from the likes of Toffoli and Pearson. We need our guys (Miller, Fast, Lindberg, etc) to step up. If they are unable, we're going to have problems, but every team in the league bar a select few faces the same issue.
 
Jersey Girl said:
Lol I wonder if the Rangers will use this as their 2014-15 marketing slogan?
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Well, considering who they lost to free agency, and guys getting raises...it certainly could be a lot worse.

If they get value out of those three guys i mentioned, and if Boyle's head isn't an issue and he makes a comeback to be himself...a lot of ifs.

But there were a lot of ifs last season and 11-12 also.
 
Tawnos said:
Honestly? We lost 3 games where we had no chance against Pittsburgh. We lost 1 against the Kings.
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We had a chance against LA in those games because Hank worked miracles. We basically never had the puck in the third period that entire series.

Tawnos said:
You're talking about roster slot for last season. I'm talking about role for next season. The offense when MSL is on the ice, ES or PP, will flow through him. That was Richards' role last year. It doesn't always have to be a center.
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MSL isn't a puck carrier. He puts up a lot of points, but he's not going to lug the puck up the ice or win board battles like Nash does. Without a center to drive the play, MSL isn't going to have a lot of chances to put up even strength points.

Tawnos said:
There are plenty of 3rd line guys out there that fit our budget ($1-2m).
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Given their moves so far this offseason, I'll believe they're going to add someone good when it actually happens.
 
MSL played great with Palat and Johnson, so I'm really not worried if he has to play with Hags and Miller
 
ElectrocutedCat said:
Well, considering who they lost to free agency, and guys getting raises...it certainly could be a lot worse.

If they get value out of those three guys i mentioned, and if Boyle's head isn't an issue and he makes a comeback to be himself...a lot of ifs.

But there were a lot of ifs last season and 11-12 also.
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If too many of those 'ifs' do not pan out for us, we can go from the Stanley Cup Finals to missing the playoffs in one year. That will be an absolute disaster, considering Tampa has our first rounder next year, which could turn out to be a high draft pick in what is considered to be a phenomenal draft class.
 
Jersey Girl said:
If too many of those 'ifs' do not pan out for us, we can go from the Stanley Cup Finals to missing the playoffs in one year. That will be an absolute disaster, considering Tampa has our first rounder next year, which could turn out to be a high draft pick in what is considered to be a phenomenal draft class.
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Barring injury to Lundqvist or McD, this team will without question make the playoffs. People really need to step back from the ledge.
 
RangerBoy said:
The Rangers making the Cup final is the worst thing which could have happened to them. Anything less than a return to the Final is a failure. The roster is no good. The Rangers can't enter the season with this roster. Sather has a magic move waiting for later in the summer. The same stuff from during the season about the Rangers finding a way to keep Brad Richards and keep all of their players. All of them take a million less and it can work.

SALARY CAP WORLD
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If only! If the Rangers somehow got Zucc, Brassard, Kreider and J. Moore signed for a combined $10 million, they would have about $5 million to add a LW and a 4th line player.

Odds of those guys taking less, very small.
 
UAGoalieGuy said:
Barring injury to Lundqvist or McD, this team will without question make the playoffs. People really need to step back from the ledge.
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No need for hyperbole here, questioning what will happen if all of our 'ifs' do not go well doesn't mean anyone is on the ledge. Even as a Stanley Cup finalist last year, we did not wrap up a playoff spot until the last week of the season, so there are no regular season guarantees for this season either.

That said, Sather has an entire summer to improve the roster, I have to believe the team we see now is not the same one that will go into battle in October.
 
That $2 lost in cap space when it went to $69 instead of $71 hurt the Rangers. Could've signed quality player for $3 instead of an average fourth liner for $1.

Adding a 35 point two-way player would be big for the Rangers right now.
 
AV did say on break up day that they were going to go with more youth. It's kind of a necessity anyway with the salary cap these days.
 
Zil said:
MSL isn't a puck carrier. He puts up a lot of points, but he's not going to lug the puck up the ice or win board battles like Nash does. Without a center to drive the play, MSL isn't going to have a lot of chances to put up even strength points.
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Just shows that you don't really know much about the kind of player MSL is. Yeah, okay he won't win board battles. But he IS a puck carrier. And more importantly, he's a puck distributor. In the offensive zone, the puck will be on his stick more than anyone else's. That's a big part of his game.

You're also assuming that he will stay on the same line with Hagelin and a new center. It's way more likely that he ends up opposite Kreider or Zuccarello.
 
MSL doesn't win board battles, yet he's led a HOF career working from the low right wall. Hmm. Guess other teams just let him go there freely.

The whole negative nancy attitude around here is becoming comical
 
In a salary cap world, integrating youth that can contribute immediately is the reality. Look at the kings, Pearson and Toffoli were solid contributors.
 
Emptyvoid said:
In a salary cap world, integrating youth that can contribute immediately is the reality. Look at the kings, Pearson and Toffoli were solid contributors.
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Youth can contribute if you have the picks to draft that youth. The Rangers right now will be going three drafts without a first round pick. They didn't have a second round pick in the2013 draft either.
 
Emptyvoid said:
In a salary cap world, integrating youth that can contribute immediately is the reality. Look at the kings, Pearson and Toffoli were solid contributors.
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The Rangers have been integrating youth for years. Problem is, they are running out of youth. That problem isn't going to be fixed by constantly jettisoning 1st round picks.
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
Youth can contribute if you have the picks to draft that youth. The Rangers right now will be going three drafts without a first round pick. They didn't have a second round pick in the2013 draft either.
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In terms of this upcoming season, we have youth that will challenge for spots and possibly be solid contributors. The effects of those 1st round pickless drafts will be felt further down the road, but not in the next year or two imo.

You can develop youth that can contribute outside of the first two rounds....it will just take longer than usual. Also the college UFA route is another avenue to restock our cheap youth players without picks.

Edit: BRB, what i wrote to SBOB applies to you too. I think we are in a good situation right now where we have arguably half a dozen players (Miller, Lindberg, Fast, Allen, Kristo, Bourque, McI, etc) that will compete for spots in the immediate future and next year.

That may help mitigate the loss of our last three first round picks.
 
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