2014-2015 General Wild Discussion Thread IV

[Uberdachen]

I would forgive some sins if we wound up with Bottom-Finish Baby Jesus.

 

[BigT2002]

Make a run at the playoffs, miss by a point, still have a 1% change to win the lottery, grab McEichel and run

Fans in Buffalo, Edmonton and Toronto would kill us lol

 

[kfan22]

If we don't make the playoffs I'm absolutely certain we'll have all new staff next year. Win, win.

No Chance they are fired especially if they stay close! They will use the terrible goal tending for 2 months as the reason why they missed

 

[Streetcandy]

No Chance they are fired especially if they stay close! They will use the terrible goal tending for 2 months as the reason why they missed

If we're around 80 pts yeah I see us doing something but right now we're on track for 90+. No way do we do something if we end up with over 90 in our division unless they do something stupid like make a big trade for a rental and still miss it.

 

[tomgilbertfan]

 

[Dee Oh Cee]

Graovac time.

 

[123TripleDoge]

Id like keranen for a change, but I expect grao

 

[Randy BoBandy]

So I've been waging a twitter battle against an Edmonton Oilers fan the past few days.

He drops the "Wild are a trap team" so I have to step in and set him straight. Every single team plays a passive forecheck scheme at some point in the game, but the Wild are not a trap team. He doesn't even understand what I mean by this and continues. So I'm continue to ague ... We are not a trap team yadda yadda possesion yadda yadda Oil sucks and so on.

So I need some more ammunition. I swear I saw an article a bit back on the Oilers playing the trap but I can't find it anymore. Anyone remember what I am talking about? I just cannot stand Oiler fans like this guy. So high and mighty despite the fact his team is a perennial lottery winner. I need something to just shut him up.

 

[plock]

No Chance they are fired especially if they stay close! They will use the terrible goal tending for 2 months as the reason why they missed

This was supposed to be the year we not only make the playoffs but push beyond the second round,those were the expectations.Not making the playoffs is not a slight hiccup it is 3 or 4 steps backward.

There have been a lot of mistakes in management/coaching this year;failing to adequately assess the goaltending situaution,not replacing Stoner with anyone better than Folin/Prosser,burning Haulas waiver eligibility and being stuck with a player on the roster who should probably be in the AHL and rolling the dice (and for the most part losing) on having so many young players trying to play roles they are not ready for (Coyle & Granlund on the top line,Kuemper as #1).

I would hope that there would be some pretty heavy scrutiny if the Wild don't make the playoffs,not just with management and coaching but also with certain aspects of the lineup.

If the Wild miss the playoffs there would definitely be some changes,either a change in management and coaching or trading some players.

 

[BigT2002]

This was supposed to be the year we not only make the playoffs but push beyond the second round,those were the expectations.Not making the playoffs is not a slight hiccup it is 3 or 4 steps backward.

There have been a lot of mistakes in management/coaching this year;failing to adequately assess the goaltending situaution,not replacing Stoner with anyone better than Folin/Prosser,burning Haulas waiver eligibility and being stuck with a player on the roster who should probably be in the AHL and rolling the dice (and for the most part losing) on having so many young players trying to play roles they are not ready for (Coyle & Granlund on the top line,Kuemper as #1).

I would hope that there would be some pretty heavy scrutiny if the Wild don't make the playoffs,not just with management and coaching but also with certain aspects of the lineup.

If the Wild miss the playoffs there would definitely be some changes,either a change in management and coaching or trading some players.

No team should sink or swim because 1 or 2 guys are out of the lineup. Not to mention the amount of games they still squandered early this season when they were up 3-0.

 

[Dee Oh Cee]

They gave up a few three goal leads, true...but they only lost one of those games.

 

[gphr513]

I was gonna say... How many 3 goal leads have we actually squandered this year which caused us to lose points? 2 or 3?

 

[Dee Oh Cee]

Honestly...I think it was only one game (vs. NYR). We won the game against Winnipeg at home in overtime (Scandella) and we won the game in Dallas in OT (Vanek tie, Scandella winner).

We made up a 3-1 goal deficit in Boston and a 3 goal deficit at home vs. NYI. Made up a 3 goal deficit in DET too..or something like that. Those are the ones I remember at least.

 

[tomgilbertfan]

As I said, I’d expect a callup. It may be somebody like Brett Sutter though (the Wild had seven hits yesterday and the fourth line was on for the winning goal) instead of rookie Tyler Graovac.
“These games are pretty rich right now,” Yeo said when I asked about maybe recalling Graovac. “That’s not to say he’s not an option, but to throw somebody in without a lot of experience playing this time of year can be a tough thing for somebody, too.” So Yeo said they’re talking about Graovac, somebody else or maybe going with the status quo. If there’s a change, I don’t see it being Stu Bickel though.
Wild wants a player who can play somewhat of a regular shift.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/292276871.html

 

[Minnesota]

Admitting Bickel can't play a regular shift? That's a step in the right direct, Yeo.

 

[123TripleDoge]

Id rather try Gabriel over sutter again, sutter wasn't good last time

 

[BurnsyMN]

So I've been waging a twitter battle against an Edmonton Oilers fan the past few days.

He drops the "Wild are a trap team" so I have to step in and set him straight. Every single team plays a passive forecheck scheme at some point in the game, but the Wild are not a trap team. He doesn't even understand what I mean by this and continues. So I'm continue to ague ... We are not a trap team yadda yadda possesion yadda yadda Oil sucks and so on.

So I need some more ammunition. I swear I saw an article a bit back on the Oilers playing the trap but I can't find it anymore. Anyone remember what I am talking about? I just cannot stand Oiler fans like this guy. So high and mighty despite the fact his team is a perennial lottery winner. I need something to just shut him up.

Refer him to Blackhawks vs Wild game 3 last year. The first two periods was a trap fest by both Chicago and Minnesota. Wild had a dominate 3rd period and won 4-0. I think the problem is that most fans don't know what a trap looks like. They see low scoring games and just assume "Ugh boring trap team". Plus Lemaire coached the Wild for a number of years and that "Trap" stigma has followed the franchise ever since.

 

[Streetcandy]

This was supposed to be the year we not only make the playoffs but push beyond the second round,those were the expectations.Not making the playoffs is not a slight hiccup it is 3 or 4 steps backward.

There have been a lot of mistakes in management/coaching this year;failing to adequately assess the goaltending situaution,not replacing Stoner with anyone better than Folin/Prosser,burning Haulas waiver eligibility and being stuck with a player on the roster who should probably be in the AHL and rolling the dice (and for the most part losing) on having so many young players trying to play roles they are not ready for (Coyle & Granlund on the top line,Kuemper as #1).

I would hope that there would be some pretty heavy scrutiny if the Wild don't make the playoffs,not just with management and coaching but also with certain aspects of the lineup.

If the Wild miss the playoffs there would definitely be some changes,either a change in management and coaching or trading some players.

If you were expecting us to make it past the second round you may have set your expectations a bit high this year. Getting the Blackhawks/Blues in the first two rounds would be a tough matchup for any team.

As for your comment on the mistakes, hindsight is always nice. In reality you could find things on every team as nobody is perfect and I'm not sure if everything that you listed is completely managements fault. I mean they made an attempt to resign Stoner or bring in a suitable replacement but got outbid. Is getting outbid really their fault? Should they have upped the bids and offered Stoner a Scandella type contract or maybe offer Willie Mitchell 5M a year? I sure hope not, maybe they could've put in more offers to other guys but we really don't know how many offers they made, all we really know is that they decided to gamble on Folin and bring back Prosser.

If we don't make it this year I think we'll see a trade or two this Summer if not sooner. If they don't make it next year thats when I see us making changes to the staff.

 

[Blizzard6411]

Id rather try Gabriel over sutter again, sutter wasn't good last time

No!

Just, no!

 

[plock]

If you were expecting us to make it past the second round you may have set your expectations a bit high this year. Getting the Blackhawks/Blues in the first two rounds would be a tough matchup for any team.

As for your comment on the mistakes, hindsight is always nice. In reality you could find things on every team as nobody is perfect and I'm not sure if everything that you listed is completely managements fault. I mean they made an attempt to resign Stoner or bring in a suitable replacement but got outbid. Is getting outbid really their fault? Should they have upped the bids and offered Stoner a Scandella type contract or maybe offer Willie Mitchell 5M a year? I sure hope not, maybe they could've put in more offers to other guys but we really don't know how many offers they made, all we really know is that they decided to gamble on Folin and bring back Prosser.

If we don't make it this year I think we'll see a trade or two this Summer if not sooner. If they don't make it next year thats when I see us making changes to the staff.

The Wild have been marketing playoff hockey to their fanbase pretty heavily the last 2 years.A ton of money was spent bringing in Parise,Suter,Pominville and Vanek,they brought those guys in to not only make the playoffs but be competitive with teams like Chicago and St. Louis.

 

[Nharris31]

The Wild have been marketing playoff hockey to their fanbase pretty heavily the last 2 years.A ton of money was spent bringing in Parise,Suter,Pominville and Suter,they brought those guys in to not only make the playoffs but be competitive with teams like Chicago and St. Louis.

They have been competitive against Chicago. Believe it or not everything that can go wrong for this team has gone wrong.(mumps,deaths,norovirus).There humans not robots. You seem not to care that human things happen to athletes.

 

[DANOZ28]

some people say "no excuses" , that all teams face some sort of challenges throughout the season. imo goaltending & lack of scoring has been our downfall this year.

 

[Nharris31]

some people say "no excuses" , that all teams face some sort of challenges throughout the season. imo goaltending & lack of scoring has been our downfall this year.

Goaltending yes. There not excuse it's life. You act like they're in 29th in goals for which they are not their 18th that's not really struggling to score.

 

[DeuceMN]

Four years now.

Different problems every year.

Same trend every year, which just leads to some of the same problems.

At times, much of the same confusion and lack of solutions from the coaching staff.

You guys think if Babcock, Sutter, Quenneville, Trotz, Laviolette, etc. were here we would be following these same trends each year? Different ones maybe, but I can pretty much promise that it would be different.

Which is what makes some of us tired of the status quo. I'm just tired of it. It's been four years. That's long enough to see what we have as far as coaching goes and that's long enough to expect certain results, especially with this roster that we have.

You have similar problems at your job and don't really get significant results for four years, all the while acquiring greater tools. My bet is you don't have a job going into that fifth year. And let's not forget how much you're making = expectation of results.

 

[BigT2002]

Four years now.

Different problems every year.

Same trend every year, which just leads to some of the same problems.

At times, much of the same confusion and lack of solutions from the coaching staff.

You guys think if Babcock, Sutter, Quenneville, Trotz, Laviolette, etc. were here we would be following these same trends each year? Different ones maybe, but I can pretty much promise that it would be different.

Which is what makes some of us tired of the status quo. I'm just tired of it. It's been four years. That's long enough to see what we have as far as coaching goes and that's long enough to expect certain results, especially with this roster that we have.

You have similar problems at your job and don't really get significant results for four years, all the while acquiring greater tools. My bet is you don't have a job going into that fifth year. And let's not forget how much you're making = expectation of results.

Didn't Chicago fire Savard halfway through the season after they went to the WCF?