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Soundwave

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Think we have to look at a 3rd goalie at the trade deadline on the cheap, Skinner is not taking the next step in his game and could be backing up Pickard at this rate and seeing as how Pickard was an AHL goalie this time last year, probably not the worst idea to have some options you might be able to hit on.

I kept tabs on Dostal from Anaheim because he stoned us a few years ago, but it looks like the secret is out on him this year and probably can't be had for cheap any longer.
 

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I think Jamie Oleksiask could be a target if Seattle falls out of the hunt.

All the crying and moaning about identity, well then lets just become a f***ing tough as nails team around our skilled players.

In: Oleksiak + Kostin + Evander Kane (off IR)

Combined with Podkolzin and Nurse, you'll get an identity pretty darn quick.

This is the formula the 80s Oilers were built around, some super skill guys + some really mean mofos that would punish teams.
 

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I think Jamie Oleksiask could be a target if Seattle falls out of the hunt.

All the crying and moaning about identity, well then lets just become a f***ing tough as nails team around our skilled players.

In: Oleksiak + Kostin + Evander Kane (off IR)

Combined with Podkolzin and Nurse, you'll get an identity pretty darn quick.

This is the formula the 80s Oilers were built around, some super skill guys + some really mean mofos that would punish teams.
Feel like Nurse would struggle quite a bit with Oleksiak. I'd prefer they go after a puck mover, who ideally skates well and has some decent size.

Nice thing is Nurse is starting to have more good games than bad. Just need him to play amped up all the time and need him to stop trying to do other guys jobs. The more he plays a simple game in the D zone with emotion and joins the attack the better he looks.
 
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Oleksiak and Kulak/Emberson would be a better duo. Still need a babysitter for Nurse.

Go after Marcus Pettersson.

Ekholm-Bouchard
Petterson-Nurse
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Pleease I hope no-one is annoyed by me writing this one (for now) message about Jesse Puljujarvi. If things get rough and there's a need to try something in the bottom 9 I still think he could be one option. He did have a pretty strong stretch of 1,5 seasons and he seems healthy again and the big difference is he'd come on minimum salary.

He started the season very well, one point away from ppg rate and his points/60 was in the top40 in the NHL. Got an assist again, but Sullivan still demoted him after that game and he's played under 10 minutes or now even under 5 minutes per game. Pittsburgh fans keep claiming Sullivan doesn't like European players but whatever it is, it seems he doesn't need Puljujarvi and thus something like a 3rd might be enough to get him.

The Hockey News just wrote about him so I hope a link is okay:


Very annoyed right now.
 
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Except we did pay last year, we were sitting on 3.5 mill in dead cap in the Finals just in net alone last year because of Holland.

Holland is the one who mismanaged the goal tending position, we shouldn't have been playing Stuart Skinner in a game 7 of a Cup Final at all if he had gotten his goaltending swing correct (and/or figured he made a mistake early enough and moved on to some one better).

If he had gotten a good goalie post Koskinen (another dumb mistake was two GMs consecutively letting Koskinen playing all 4 freaking seasons here).

That's just how thin the margin is in the NHL, you can make a few mistakes (overpay Nurse here, not utilize leverage in a Keith deal, sign a disaster Kassian contract, etc. etc.) and get away with them, but Holland ran over his mistake ledger with the Campbell signing and it probably is the difference between having a Cup and not having a Cup.

I don't blame Skinner for that, I blame Holland.

And why don't we employ Vegas' strategy of trying multiple goalies until you hit on one? Here we just anoint one guy as if he's the next Grant Fuhr without any track record.

To your first point: yes it's on Holland, agree with that.
To your second point: you'll see I already posted about the Vegas strategy. 100% agree with you. Having two guys who've actually earned $3M salaries (Blackwood types) duel it out is a lot better than spending a bit more on Koskinen/Campbell types, but you don't have enough left to create any competition.

Even with Campbell last year, both guys were crap at the start, but we just anointed Stu and removed the competition... why? To what end?

But to the broader point I've been trying to make about goaltending. I don't think you've heard it yet, let me try again.
  • Spending $5M on a goalie isn't a "swing", it's barely a bunt.
  • At that price (in UFA) you are buying a guy with question marks. Full stop. Other than his cup (not really his), Keumper had limited experience and a pretty severe eye injury. Campbell had even less experience and was run out of dodge (a leafs team constructed very similarly to ours with porous D).
And the better guys do come available. Just not every summer... and Holland could have been more proactive (Ullmark, Andersson, Markstrom) in planning ahead (as you say, why ride out Koskinen when we all knew he wasn't the solution, nor was a 39 year old Smith)
 

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Think we have to look at a 3rd goalie at the trade deadline on the cheap, Skinner is not taking the next step in his game and could be backing up Pickard at this rate and seeing as how Pickard was an AHL goalie this time last year, probably not the worst idea to have some options you might be able to hit on.

I kept tabs on Dostal from Anaheim because he stoned us a few years ago, but it looks like the secret is out on him this year and probably can't be had for cheap any longer.
I would look at getting Blomqvist and Petterson.
 

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1) Yes our cap is mostly spent on offense. Easy to see. Outscore your opponent. Defense kinda secondary. Lots of people here get this.
2) Everybody here seen at the beginning on last year what happened to JAY when he tried to institute the one three without the proper personnel. Changing a team from high octane offense to a counterpuncher requires vast patience and commitment and a GM that will take a hit and change out the right people for different ones.
3) Obviously in stating all this in your very pointed dialogue you have a strategy of change going forward. What is it? Where would you like to see us go?

Knobby came in and moved us back down the scale towards offense but kept some off the lessons learned during JAY's heartache and used it to his and the teams advantage. A little more two way if you will. Yes your right STU is not a high end 1A. Good for two games and the next he lays an egg. He needs a high end backup that can play 35ish games a year. And yes we need a goalie in the A that has really good potential. But what other changes would you make?

My pointed reply is simply to point out that:
1) spending $5M on a goalie is a half-measure. You either go bigger or you have two guys in the $3-4M range.
2) the team is NOT constructed to expect us to eek out a 2-1 game when it matters. We shouldn't be in 2-1 games in the first place if our investments are paying off.

What's my solution? I'm actually very ok with what Knobloch got out of our team defensively and pretty ok with our cap structure... you play the cards you are dealt, and when dealt two aces you build around that.

And you can't go back and rewrite the past, so starting from where we are and focusing on shoring up our ability to keep pucks out, I would:
1) Change my management mindset on Skinner. He's our 1A/B until he proves otherwise. Build in contingencies now. Like,
2) Play Pickard more, keep Stu hungry for his starts,
3) Explore trading for Blackwood, he's every bit as talented (and big) as Stu, would come cheap and can also be 1A/B at low AAV (Vegas strategy), so let's have some actual competition
4) Be planning ahead that there is a good chance I'm trading Skinner in 2025/26 because I'm not convinced he'll be worth much more than his current $2.6M... maybe he proves me wrong, but I'm not banking on it.
5) Be sure to draft another goalie in the first 3 rounds of the draft this year and another one over the next three years, we need prospect churn and competition in the AHL for Rodrigue and sorry, but Delia is not it. We need two guys under 25 dueling it out down there and another couple maturing in ECHL/College.
6) Change the goalie coach... that's a no brainer.
7) Get Rodrigue some NHL reps at the end of this year before he becomes Waiver ineligible
8) Use my cap space this year on an RD, it's still the higher priority, especially if we can get Blackwood
9) Set aside Kane's + Stu Skinner's money in 2026 as contingency planning for a new #1 goalie. Maybe Skinner/Blackwood/Rodrigue surprise, but I'm planning ahead to ensure success
10) As part of #9, we should have cap space accrued for the 2026 trade deadline and there are some interesting guys scheduled for UFA, including: Demko, Markstrom and Gustavsson... plus another crop in 2027 (only one year left). Lots can happen in a goalies' (and teams) life between now and then, so who knows who's available and looking good but the point is to be kicking tires at that deadline, with an opportunity to audition them (for a long-term contract) in the 2026 playoffs.
 

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To your first point: yes it's on Holland, agree with that.
To your second point: you'll see I already posted about the Vegas strategy. 100% agree with you. Having two guys who've actually earned $3M salaries (Blackwood types) duel it out is a lot better than spending a bit more on Koskinen/Campbell types, but you don't have enough left to create any competition.

Even with Campbell last year, both guys were crap at the start, but we just anointed Stu and removed the competition... why? To what end?

But to the broader point I've been trying to make about goaltending. I don't think you've heard it yet, let me try again.
  • Spending $5M on a goalie isn't a "swing", it's barely a bunt.
  • At that price (in UFA) you are buying a guy with question marks. Full stop. Other than his cup (not really his), Keumper had limited experience and a pretty severe eye injury. Campbell had even less experience and was run out of dodge (a leafs team constructed very similarly to ours with porous D).
And the better guys do come available. Just not every summer... and Holland could have been more proactive (Ullmark, Andersson, Markstrom) in planning ahead (as you say, why ride out Koskinen when we all knew he wasn't the solution, nor was a 39 year old Smith)

We should be employing a Vegas like setup (Vegas of a couple of years ago) where they had multiple cheap options in net and they hit pay dirt when one of them got hot in the playoffs and won a Cup for them as a result and then if one of them breaks out you sign them to a reasonable deal.

The automatic anointing of Skinner to the exclusion of others has always been ridiculous.

I mean shit, Holland could've grabbed Adin Hill himself for peanuts, the guy had reasonably good numbers on really bad Arizona/San Jose teams. There are always guys like that floating around if you keep your eyes open.

$3.5 mill dead cap on Campbell, Kane not being able to play (so there's another $5 mill), Neal's 1.9 mill buy out ... we were in the Finals with like practically 10 million in dead cap, that's a severe handicap.
 
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Before the season I always thought Dostal was a guy they should of took a run at. (I don’t know if he was available). I know some of his previous stats weren’t that great. But he was playing on the Ducks and I thought hes alway played great against us. Not surprised to see him rocking it this year.
 

Soundwave

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Before the season I always thought Dostal was a guy they should of took a run at. (I don’t know if he was available). I know some of his previous stats weren’t that great. But he was playing on the Ducks and I thought hes alway played great against us. Not surprised to see him rocking it this year.

I always remember him when he killed us during a home game against the Ducks and pretty much single handedly won a game for them that we kinda needed. That always pissed me off, lol. I've kept an eye on him since.

These types of guys are always out there floating around, it's just Oilers management would rather put their head in the sand.
 

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