Prospect Info: 2013 Penguins Development Camp

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Ian Altenbaugh ‏@IanAltenbaugh
Nasreddine said Dumoulin could see a few NHL games this year. Same with Payerl, who is measured at 6'4, 228lbs, 8% body fat & tough.

https://twitter.com/IanAltenbaugh/status/358342872413650946

Ian Altenbaugh ‏@IanAltenbaugh
And in case you missed it earlier in the week, it was determined by the prospect geeks at camp that Zack Sill will be Craig Adams 2.0.

https://twitter.com/IanAltenbaugh/status/358343343194910721

Ian Altenbaugh ‏@IanAltenbaugh
Another positive thing I took from camp is that the Pens will likely not have to overpay for checking forwards for the foreseeable future.

https://twitter.com/IanAltenbaugh/status/358350711047733249

Ian Altenbaugh ‏@IanAltenbaugh
Feeling more comfortable about Pens forward depth in general. Kuhnhackl, Archibald, Sundqvist, Blueger & others possess fair amount of skill

https://twitter.com/IanAltenbaugh/status/358354507178065921

Audio from Nasreddine (Baby Pens assistant coach)

Audio from Fitzgerald

 

[eXile59]

I wonder if the great Jordan Staal will barely exceed the production of players like Sutter and Letestu again, next season? All while playing vomit-inducing defense? It was certainly a very entertaining byline for me last year.

As for the topic at hand... much thanks to netwolf, yet again. I've been following that guy's camp reports for years and they are always outstanding.

You should check your numbers again. Staal had 11 more points than Sutter if i remember right.

I absolutely hate when people try to saying Sutter is a better player than Staal. It's obvious homerism.

 

[MichiganWolverines]

Damn. I did not know that Adam Payerl was that big.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

12 more points, actually. I didn't say he was a better player. He isn't.

But their goal totals are almost the same (Sutter actually has one more) and Staal's defensive game was far inferior. I won't bother bringing up their paychecks. But I think those factors alone make them closer in value than most people are willing to admit, at least for the roles they play.

 

[mpp9]

Staal is a difference maker in the Boston series. Sutter is nowhere near the player Staal is in the postseason.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Well... this was Sutter's first post season. It was largely disappointing. Hopefully he learns from it. And seeing as how the first part of your point is total conjecture, I suppose I don't really know how to answer that. Maybe?

I'll go ahead and counter that by saying if Max Talbot was still on the team, he'd be a difference maker in that series. Who else was on the Cup team that isn't a Penguin any more?

 

[Ugene Magic]

Well... this was Sutter's first post season. It was largely disappointing. Hopefully he learns from it. And seeing as how the first part of your point is total conjecture, I suppose I don't really know how to answer that. Maybe?

To be accurate, the entire third line didn't chip in enough. Not to say individuals didn't stand out, namely, Cooke.

I'll go ahead and counter that by saying if Max Talbot was still on the team, he'd be a difference maker in that series. Who else was on the Cup team that isn't a Penguin any more?

He seems like that element we shouldn't have let go of.

 

[Beauner]

Well... this was Sutter's first post season. It was largely disappointing. Hopefully he learns from it. And seeing as how the first part of your point is total conjecture, I suppose I don't really know how to answer that. Maybe?

I'll go ahead and counter that by saying if Max Talbot was still on the team, he'd be a difference maker in that series. Who else was on the Cup team that isn't a Penguin any more?

Off the top of my head (besides Talbot):

Gill, Staal, Eaton, Gonchar, Fedotenko, Sykora, Cooke, Kennedy, Satan, Garon, Guerin.


Which, actually, doesn't seem too bad. That group of players is pretty underwhelming sans Staal. TK was playing the best hockey of his life in those playoffs, and Cooke was pretty good too. The rest, nowadays, are either depth players or retired. Even when they left it wasn't detrimental to the team.

 

[lastcupever75]

Damn. I did not know that Adam Payerl was that big.

just watching a few videos of him.he doesnt look to be much of a fighter at all. hopefully he can improve in that area.

not in the same weight class but sill is better

 

[MichiganWolverines]

just watching a few videos of him.he doesnt look to be much of a fighter at all. hopefully he can improve in that area.

not in the same weight class but sill is better

Agreed. Perhaps Steve MacIntyre can give him some fighting lessons.

 

[Jesus Vitale]

I hope Paul Thompson and/or Dominik Uher would impress in camp and AHL. it'd be really nice to have some young options for 3rd/4th lines in the future.

 

[Darth Vitale]

Staal is a difference maker in the Boston series. Sutter is nowhere near the player Staal is in the postseason.

Was he a difference maker against Philly? What about Montreal?

We would've lost to Boston with Staal or without him, period.

 

[mpp9]

Was he a difference maker against Philly? What about Montreal?

We would've lost to Boston with Staal or without him, period.

Staal was our leading scorer in the Philly series. And he played well in game 7 against Montreal. Made it 4-2 with plenty of time left.

He's a significantly better hockey player than Sutter. It's not up for argument.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Staal was our leading scorer in the Philly series. And he played well in game 7 against Montreal. Made it 4-2 with plenty of time left.

He's a significantly better hockey player than Sutter. It's not up for argument.

this is true. That said, it was still a good move for us going forward and the trade had to be made.

 

[Al Smith]

Staal is a difference maker in the Boston series. Sutter is nowhere near the player Staal is in the postseason.

I like Staal, but he was horrible defensively in the first-round Philly debacle, which was really his role with the Pens. Pens made it further this year with Sutter (one could even go out on a limb and argue he was an offensive force in that series, scoring half of the Pens' goals ). Overall, without regard to salary, I'd rather have Staal in my lineup, but I'm not sure how you can speculate that he would have made a difference against the B's.

 

[mpp9]

this is true. That said, it was still a good move for us going forward and the trade had to be made.

For sure. But it's a move that needs to be followed by more talent with 87 and 71. I'm alright with Beau playing with Sutter for the time being, but Malkin's line needs a definitive upgrade if KCD is a line for the foreseeable future.

Would have been such a perfect offseason if we landed Parise.

 

[eXile59]

this is true. That said, it was still a good move for us going forward and the trade had to be made.

In the end run we are desperately needing the cap space so yes it was a good move. Doesn't mean Staal still isn't the better player.

 

[Ogrezilla]

In the end run we are desperately needing the cap space so yes it was a good move. Doesn't mean Staal still isn't the better player.

You will find very few people who disagree with you.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Leaving for Pittsburgh in a few minutes. See some of you at the game (I'm assuming).

I might be wearing this shirt if anyone wants to say hi:

 

[brewski420]

Staal is a difference maker in the Boston series. Sutter is nowhere near the player Staal is in the postseason.

That is easy to say in hindsight. Crosby and Malkin should have been difference makers but weren't. I get your point that Staal is better right now but I will give Sutter a break in his first PO and the fact the team as a whole ****** in that series.

 

[Nietzsche Zone Play]

Since we're talking about Sutter for some reason here, I think it's worth mentioning that his off zone start % was extremely low whereas the finish was high. he was consistently placed in the most difficult defensive situations on the team but was still able to control possession. he was extremely effective in his role. if we're just going by how tough he is in terms of throwing big hits then I think the point is being missed. also, expecting him to produce anything more than he did in that role is unrealistic.

excited for the scrimmage today.

 

[Beaudangles19]

anyone know if theres gonna be a feed today?

 

[eXile59]

Since we're talking about Sutter for some reason here, I think it's worth mentioning that his off zone start % was extremely low whereas the finish was high. he was consistently placed in the most difficult defensive situations on the team but was still able to control possession. he was extremely effective in his role. if we're just going by how tough he is in terms of throwing big hits then I think the point is being missed. also, expecting him to produce anything more than he did in that role is unrealistic.

excited for the scrimmage today.

Maybe in the regular season. In the playoffs his play was chip puck in, get muscled off puck or chip puck in push some one. This is for another thread though.

On topic, last year I remember people making a big deal about Bennett not scoring despite a lot of us who went saying he was the best forward on ice.

I even remember a comment "If he can't score in a rookie scrimmage how will he score in the NHL?"

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

We should probably get this thread back on topic.

 

[netwolf]

Pens' website says it will be streamed live there. http://penguins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=678174&navid=DL|PIT|home

Who knows the NHL/CHL transfer rules really well? From what I read, an NHL drafted player has to be 20 by the end of the calendar year, or have played 4 seasons in juniors to be AHL-eligible. Derrick Pouliot will only be 19 on 12/31, but he has played for Portland for 4 seasons, though his first year (09-10) he only played 7 games. Is there a minimum games required for a year of junior service? I'm not having much luck finding the specific rules anywhere. I suck at google apparently...