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Speculation: 2013 Offseason Thread Part V: Streit signs with PHI (4 years, $5.25M per)

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NYR2007 said:
It was January 21st in a one goal game with over 30 minutes to play. I think they could afford to take a too many men penalty in that situation
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It's not a too many men penalty. It's 3rd man in. Girardi would have been tossed from the game. Big difference. Yeah, it was Jan 21st. You know we lost that game, right? You know we lost to philly again on the last day of the season in a shootout, and they got into the playoffs ahead of us by 1 point, right? So lets not act like that game didn't matter. We were outside the top 8 at the time.

Also which other ranger should have skates in to the aid of Gabby?!?
Oh wait let me guess your next argument is gonna be that they didn't want the face off going outside the zone.... Get a clue guy
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Which other Ranger? Were Gabby and Girardi the only Rangers on the ice?

Perhaps the head coach should have directed his ire at Dan Girardi and the rest of the Blueshirts on the ice at the time who were bystanders (though hardly innocent ones) to the bout during which their best player was in jeopardy.

Or maybe Tortorella already had done so, because Girardi, who watched from just a few feet away as the unfair fight unfolded in the Rangers' attacking left corner and circle, told The Post that he regretted his decision not to engage on behalf of his teammate.

"I guess I was overthinking it, Girardi said. "I didn't want to take another penalty, because I knew we already had one there [on Brandon Dubinsky], but I should have gotten involved. I should have jumped in. Maybe it was the wrong decision, but it was the decision I made at the time.
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Dubi had just taken a penalty. If Girardi had taken a penalty, we would have been down 2 men for 2 minutes, in a game we were already down 1-0 in, that we needed to win.

Girardi made a decision in the heat of the moment and later admitted that it was the wrong one, but people like you just can't let it go. No matter how many good things he does for this team, you will still hate him. He could score 5 goals in game 7 of the SCF and you'd still hate him because of that one play. I'm sorry, but that's just lame.
 
I think they could deal DZ but I dont really think they should.

I like the homegrown talent, DZ, Staal, McD, Girardi. Moore looks good and Stralman has been solid. Hopefully Bickel is not the spare but he does have a 1 way deal this yr.
 
GAGLine said:
It's not a too many men penalty. It's 3rd man in. Girardi would have been tossed from the game. Big difference. Yeah, it was Jan 21st. You know we lost that game, right? You know we lost to philly again on the last day of the season in a shootout, and they got into the playoffs ahead of us by 1 point, right? So lets not act like that game didn't matter. We were outside the top 8 at the time.



Which other Ranger? Were Gabby and Girardi the only Rangers on the ice?



Dubi had just taken a penalty. If Girardi had taken a penalty, we would have been down 2 men for 2 minutes, in a game we were already down 1-0 in, that we needed to win.

Girardi made a decision in the heat of the moment and later admitted that it was the wrong one, but people like you just can't let it go. No matter how many good things he does for this team, you will still hate him. He could score 5 goals in game 7 of the SCF and you'd still hate him because of that one play. I'm sorry, but that's just lame.
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For a while I held a grudge against Girardi as well for this mistake of a decision.

I forgave him completely when he dropped the gloves with Hartnell the following season for sneezing ni the direction of a Rangers player.

If we as fans are going to remember the bad choices these guys make, then we have to give them the proper credit and clean slate when they make good choices.

Girardi in my eyes completely redeemed himself.
 
GAGLine said:
It's not a too many men penalty. It's 3rd man in. Girardi would have been tossed from the game. Big difference. Yeah, it was Jan 21st. You know we lost that game, right? You know we lost to philly again on the last day of the season in a shootout, and they got into the playoffs ahead of us by 1 point, right? So lets not act like that game didn't matter. We were outside the top 8 at the time.



Which other Ranger? Were Gabby and Girardi the only Rangers on the ice?



Dubi had just taken a penalty. If Girardi had taken a penalty, we would have been down 2 men for 2 minutes, in a game we were already down 1-0 in, that we needed to win.

Girardi made a decision in the heat of the moment and later admitted that it was the wrong one, but people like you just can't let it go. No matter how many good things he does for this team, you will still hate him. He could score 5 goals in game 7 of the SCF and you'd still hate him because of that one play. I'm sorry, but that's just lame.
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Logic! Finally! Thanks. I can't believe people are mad at Girardi for something that happened in 3 years ago.

If you want to be mad at Girardi, be mad for his brainless play in the playoffs, particularly against Bawhston.
 
I feel like a broken record but the bottom-6 needs to be revamped. Richards is part of it. He is too slow and weak to be a bottom-6 center. Gomez 2.0 minus the skating. Get rid of him and replace him with a young, hungry player like Lindberg or Miller.

They need to add speed. If they keep Boyle, they need to flank him with bigger guys who can move well. Pyatt is the exact opposite. Asham is slow. Who do opposing defenses have to worry about on the forecheck in the bottom-6? Boyle. Dorsett. That's it.


Nystrom would be a solid addition for the 4th line. Skates well. Excellent PKer. Can play center if need be. Will drop the gloves if called upon. Similar to Gregory Campbell except he adds more offense.

Dorsett should be on the 3rd line. He played on the 3rd line Columbus and the guy can create chances with his hitting and his underrated offensive ability. He gets under the opponents skin in a similar way to Chris Neil who is also on Ottawa's 3rd line. Go get a physical RWer for the 4th line.

That leaves a LW spot open. Raymond? Clowe? Trade? They need to find a player who can add some physicality and some offense.


People laughed when the Rangers acquired all of these players from a bad Columbus team. Boston did the same thing with Florida. Seidenberg. Horton. Campbell.
 
RangerBoy said:
These Rangers fans still knock Stepan.:)

Stepan was 13th in GVT. Couture was 32nd.

http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/sortable/
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Stat is silly since it relies upon your teammates. Once again, another pointless advanced statistic that makes the player beholden to the play around him. Why do you think the stats fluctuate wildly from year-to-year?

Stepan went from 113th to 13th.

Kovalchuk went from 10th to 150th.

Silly.
 
GVT aside, Stepan hasn't proven enough over an extended period of time to be looking at a deal like what Couture is likely to get. I like the idea of signing him for an extended term, but I think he'll be in the $3.5-4.5M range for 4 years. Not sure of the new restrictions about salary fluctuation, but I imagine the last year will be around $5M in salary.
 
Rangers trade Del Zotto Brian Boyle Christian Thomas to Coyotes
Coyotes trade Mikkel Boedker Henrik Samuelsson, Klesla (salary reason)and 12th overall 2013

Rangers get quicker up front, something they need. they also get a first round pick, something to build for now and the future..
 
Punxrocknyc19 said:
Rangers trade Del Zotto Brian Boyle Christian Thomas to Coyotes
Coyotes trade Mikkel Boedker Henrik Samuelsson, Klesla (salary reason)and 12th overall 2013

Rangers get quicker up front, something they need. they also get a first round pick, something to build for now and the future..
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This deal makes us much worse next season.
 
Punxrocknyc19 said:
Rangers trade Del Zotto Brian Boyle Christian Thomas to Coyotes
Coyotes trade Mikkel Boedker Henrik Samuelsson, Klesla (salary reason)and 12th overall 2013

Rangers get quicker up front, something they need. they also get a first round pick, something to build for now and the future..
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I don't think the Yotes are interested in more defenders. They have a pretty solid group, hence the reason Yandle is rumored to be somewhat available.

Not to mention that's way too much from their end for Del Zotto.
 
Trxjw said:
I don't think the Yotes are interested in more defenders. They have a pretty solid group, hence the reason Yandle is rumored to be somewhat available.
Not to mention that's way too much from their end for Del Zotto.
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i believe that has to due to their money issues rather than having too much defense... i hope Sather does what the Penguins Canes did last year at the draft. trade Del Zotto NHL player for a 1st (top 10 overall), B level NHL player and a prospect close to NHL ready... Rangers havent drafted their own franchise superstal player in the 1st round since Brian Leetch.... and i still dont understand how Henrik Lundqvist wasnt a first round pick.
 
This should be one of the easiest off-seasons in recent history for the Rangers. I really think too much turnover will hurt this squad. At MOST we should be looking at adding three FAs (Nystrom, RD, and perhaps 3C) and exploring a trade market for Del Zotto. That's it.

Buyout Richards.
Sign Nystrom.
Sign Rozsival.
Trade Del Zotto for a winger and a draft pick.

That should be the Rangers off-season moves AT MOST, unless they want to explore 3C. And who knows, maybe the FO has more faith in Richards than the fans do and are going to give him another shot. Then the center position isn't a conversation at all. Stepan > Brassard > Richards > Boyle.

Plug in youth, open the system. Let our two-way defensemen be two-way guys. Don't be afraid to make risky pushes offensively. Let's go to work.

Next season it's going to be an absolute battle to try and finish top 3 in our division, but without hesitation I can say the Rangers can be one of the teams in the top 8 of the conference with these moves, especially the move at coach :)
 
rangers are going to keep richards for another year. watch it happen!
 
Jonathan. said:
Stat is silly since it relies upon your teammates. Once again, another pointless advanced statistic that makes the player beholden to the play around him. Why do you think the stats fluctuate wildly from year-to-year?

Stepan went from 113th to 13th.

Kovalchuk went from 10th to 150th.

Silly.
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GVT is meant to be a standalone stat like Rangerboy is using it, but what do you mean it relies upon your teammates? Certainly no more than goals or assists.

And wouldn't you agree that Stepan's performance improved markedly, and Kovalchuk's did the opposite?
 
pld459666 said:
For a while I held a grudge against Girardi as well for this mistake of a decision.



Girardi in my eyes completely redeemed himself.
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until he single handily lost game 2, for us against Bos...

He was involved in all 5GA. I've never seen a defenseman play that bad before. Sure it was one game, but still....

Girardi is a good Def Dman. nothing more.
 
iamitter said:
This deal makes us much worse next season.
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Disagree. Boedker would be a nice top 6 LWer and Klesla is a solid #4 defenseman. Samuelsson and #10 is just gravy. Samuelsson can even turn pro next season and possibly help the team.
 
Stepan had 96 points in his first 2 seasons. 44 points in 48 games. Over a full 82 game season,that's 75 points. He turned 23 today. This is a very young player with room to grow. He's a keeper.
 
wouldnt we either want to sign stepan to a 2-3 year deal or a 5-8 year deal? a 4 year deal will take him to his UFA earliest as possible.
 
ecemleafs said:
wouldnt we either want to sign stepan to a 2-3 year deal or a 5-8 year deal? a 4 year deal will take him to his UFA earliest as possible.
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if it were up to me I sign him 4-5 mill for 6-8 years now. Take the risk for a bargain contract in the long run. Guy's such a smart hockey player, his play isn't something he can just forget or regress immediately. It's worth the risk.
 
ecemleafs said:
wouldnt we either want to sign stepan to a 2-3 year deal or a 5-8 year deal? a 4 year deal will take him to his UFA earliest as possible.
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Yes. Slats won't offer him 4 years. If he decides to buy out Richards and doesn't already have that money earmarked for other players, he may give Stepan a longer term contract of 5+ years. But I still think it's more likely that Slats will give him a 2 year deal similar to what Couture and Giroux got on their 2nd contracts.
 
billyhauntswizards said:
if it were up to me I sign him 4-5 mill for 6-8 years now. Take the risk for a bargain contract in the long run. Guy's such a smart hockey player, his play isn't something he can just forget or regress immediately. It's worth the risk.
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id sign him to a 6 year deal if it were up to me as of right now.. smarts and brains of NHL can be forgotten.. just ask Ricahards.. the same things was said about him on the Bolts as being a smart hockey player
 
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