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Speculation: 2013 Offseason Thread Part V: Streit signs with PHI (4 years, $5.25M per)

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Lundsanity30 said:
I dont think fans even want the Rangers to have a legit offense sometimes. There is ALWAYS something wrong with EVERY possible move someone suggests to bring in more offense. "too small", "too much money", "not tough enough", "soft". Grit and jam only take you so far as Torts found out, you need TALENT to win in this league. Skinner provides that, and he also provides goals.
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Of course you need talent. You also need to balance talent with drive and toughness or you will get run out of the building most nights.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
I dont think fans even want the Rangers to have a legit offense sometimes. There is ALWAYS something wrong with EVERY possible move someone suggests to bring in more offense. "too small", "too much money", "not tough enough", "soft". Grit and jam only take you so far as Torts found out, you need TALENT to win in this league. Skinner provides that, and he also provides goals. Obviously he's not the only option, but if we're dealing Staal to Carolina, thats who I want in return, not the #5 pick who has no guarantee of succeeding in the NHL despite how great of a prospect they are.
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Skinner has all of those problems and more.

I still really want him but it sure is a gamble
 
NYR Viper said:
Of course you need talent. You also need to balance talent with drive and toughness or you will get run out of the building most nights.
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so since you and others seem to like Clowe, buy out Richards and use that money for Clowe and another tough body to play and let Zucc go. with Nash, Stepan, Skinner among others we would have enoug offensive talent to go around.

Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Skinner-Brassard-Callahan
Clowe-Miller/Lindberg-XX
Pyatt-Boyle-Dorsett.

thats a team balanced with goal scoring and toughness. There is toughness on every line.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
so since you and others seem to like Clowe, buy out Richards and use that money for Clowe and another tough body to play and let Zucc go. with Nash, Stepan, Skinner among others we would have enoug offensive talent to go around.

Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Skinner-Brassard-Callahan
Clowe-Miller/Lindberg-XX
Pyatt-Boyle-Dorsett.

thats a team balanced with goal scoring and toughness. There is toughness on every line.
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Better. I would rather let go of Pyatt and bring in someone else who can drop the gloves. Hagelin can play both wings, so there is your 3rd line RWer.

What happens with Kreider?

I'm not trying to bash your ideas, just pointing out questions that need to be answered
 
NYR Viper said:
Better. I would rather let go of Pyatt and bring in someone else who can drop the gloves. Hagelin can play both wings, so there is your 3rd line RWer.

What happens with Kreider?

I'm not trying to bash your ideas, just pointing out questions that need to be answered
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lol totally forgot Kreider.

Kreider/Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Skinner-Brassard-Callahan
Clowe-Miller/Lindberg/-Hagelin/Kreider
Pyatt (or other)-Boyle-Dorsett.
 
KreidertheGlider said:
Who would most likely be a available at #5 and #7? CAR and EDM both seem like trading partners with us.

Who fits this team best in the top 7?
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At #5 you're likely picking from Nichushkin, Monahan and Lindholm. At #7, it really depends on whether or not Carolina moves the #5 pick. You'd likely be left picking from whoever is left from the 3 players I listed, as well as the guys in the next tier that includes Nurse, Ristolainen, Horvat, and Zadorov, plus any of the other guys who seem to be anywhere between #8 and #20 depending on which scouts you're talking to.

In terms of the best fit, at #5 I would pick Nichushkin. I think he's a tertiary scoring forward in the NHL next year (30ish points) and has 30G and 65-70 point potential. Think of him like a Russian Rick Nash. Excellent on the rush because he's so big and skates so well. Great hands in tight. Sneaky fast release and underrated playmaking ability.

If you're asking who of those players would be the best fit for the Rangers, draft position aside, I don't think you could go wrong with any of the top 7 guys. Take the BPA and figure out the rest later. It's hard to acquire talent, but it's easy to trade it when you have it. I think Jones is definitely the best player in this draft. He's the total package.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
so since you and others seem to like Clowe, buy out Richards and use that money for Clowe and another tough body to play and let Zucc go. with Nash, Stepan, Skinner among others we would have enoug offensive talent to go around.

Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Skinner-Brassard-Callahan
Clowe-Miller/Lindberg-XX
Pyatt-Boyle-Dorsett.

thats a team balanced with goal scoring and toughness. There is toughness on every line.
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Toughness on every line? Sorry don't see it.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
lol totally forgot Kreider.

Kreider/Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Skinner-Brassard-Callahan
Clowe-Miller/Lindberg/-Hagelin/Kreider
Pyatt (or other)-Boyle-Dorsett.
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Ideally?

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Skinner-Brassard-Callahan
Clowe-Lindberg-Hagelin
McLeod-Boyle-Dorsett

Trade Powe/Pyatt for McLeod

I feel much better with that then where we started.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
I dont think fans even want the Rangers to have a legit offense sometimes. There is ALWAYS something wrong with EVERY possible move someone suggests to bring in more offense. "too small", "too much money", "not tough enough", "soft". Grit and jam only take you so far as Torts found out, you need TALENT to win in this league. Skinner provides that, and he also provides goals. Obviously he's not the only option, but if we're dealing Staal to Carolina, thats who I want in return, not the #5 pick who has no guarantee of succeeding in the NHL despite how great of a prospect they are.
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It's a salary cap league. The more players we have who are outperforming their contracts, the better we will be. I have more faith in a top 5 rookie outperforming his contract than I do Skinner, given his caphit, his downward trend and his injury history.
 
-31- said:
I don't see it either. Luckily, I don't want to see it.
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I don't think we need toughness on every line but I do think our bottom 3rd line needs some good skating physical forwards, and the 4th line needs toughness, maybe McLeod, Nystrom, Dorsett. All 3 of them can play hockey and are nasty guys to play against. I would much rather have the 28yr old Clowe playing but we don't. Unfortunately the injuries have made it hard for him to show the Ranger faithful what he is about. Although I would not be opposed to bringing him back only if he is 100% healthy, and he signs for no more than 3mil a year. Maybe sign him to a 1yr deal at 3mil and see how he does in a full 82 game season.
 
Blue Blooded said:
If we could put together a deal with Carolina of Staal for #5 that was contingent on Drouin being available, I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger. Corey Pronman at Puckprospectus has him ranked #1 arguing he has the highest upside in the draft. I like that he highlights Drouin's possession game, which is an attribute I personally value highly and that I think still gets underrated. His hockey IQ is also highlighted which is another big plus.
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Yeah...too bad Drouin will be going top 3.
 
I would be very happy if we iced a lineup of McLeod Nystrom and Dorsett. Plenty of bottom 6 grit and toughness, they all skate very well, and they all excel at penalty killing (well maybe not McLeod but he's at least good at it). All 3 of them can play on the third line as they averaged more than 13 minutes a game, just sounds like a good deal.
 
Are we still leaving Zuccarello off projected lineups? :facepalm: I'd say that he was our 2nd best winger after Nash from the point he joined the team last season. He can play on both wings and play on line 1-3, he also showed excellent chemistry with Brassard, but honestly Zucc had chemistry with everyone; he even made Richards look good for a stretch of games. Putting Kreider ahead of him is ludicrous, and I wouldn't even put Callahan ahead of him at ES TBH, at least not in any offensive capacity.

IF we got Skinner I'd compose the lines like this:

Skinner-Stepan-Nash
Hagelin-Brassard-Zuccarello
Pyatt-Boyle-Callahan
Kreider-Lindberg/Miller-Dorsett

3rd line is the AV shutdown line, Boyle's line was excellent at getting the puck to the other end from a defensive faceoff in 2011-12 (28.8% starts to 43.9% finishes) and I think Callahan and Pyatt are put together an upgrade over Prust and Feds.
 
Blue Blooded said:
Are we still leaving Zuccarello off projected lineups? :facepalm: I'd say that he was our 2nd best winger after Nash from the point he joined the team last season. He can play on both wings and play on line 1-3, he also showed excellent chemistry with Brassard, but honestly Zucc had chemistry with everyone; he even made Richards look good for a stretch of games. Putting Kreider ahead of him is ludicrous, and I wouldn't even put Callahan ahead of him at ES TBH, at least not in any offensive capacity.
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Doesn't have size brah. :sarcasm:
 
Grind Jam Grind said:
Yeah...too bad Drouin will be going top 3.
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Well, yeah I think so too. But the pipe dream scenario in my post was putting together a deal that only was valid if Drouin was available, those kinds of deals are made during the draft all the time.

But yeah, Drouin will be gone at #5.
 
Philly agreed to terms with Streit. He can't sign until Philly sheds salary. That can't happen until for another few weeks.
 
My twitter is blowing up with $22 million over 4 years, but I can't seem to find the originating source...
 
Assuming Faulk is untouchable, if we're making a deal with Carolina, I'd be much more inclined to target Ryan Murphy rather than McBain as far as defensive pieces.
 
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