Speculation: 2013 Offseason Thread Part V: Streit signs with PHI (4 years, $5.25M per)

[Trxjw]

I'm usually a stickler for proven NHL talent over draft picks, but I'd prefer the #5 as a basis for a deal over Skinner. I think there's a semi-reasonable chance that Drouin could fall into your lap at #5. Stevie likes his Russians and I could see him taking Nichushkin at #3. Barkov might as well have been genetically engineered to play for the Preds, so that leaves Drouin right there. Rangers haven't drafted a kid that skilled since Kovalev.

 

[RangerGuru]

I'm usually a stickler for proven NHL talent over draft picks, but I'd prefer the #5 as a basis for a deal over Skinner. I think there's a semi-reasonable chance that Drouin could fall into your lap at #5. Stevie likes his Russians and I could see him taking Nichushkin at #3. Barkov might as well have been genetically engineered to play for the Preds, so that leaves Drouin right there. Rangers haven't drafted a kid that skilled since Kovalev.

IF Tb really wants Nichuskin that bad, I'm sure they would attempt to trade down as opposed to simply letting someone with Drouin's talent fall

Would love a Staal Skinner swap. Skinner is exactly the sniper and skilled forward the Rangers need.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

And then watch that team get bullied every night. Woohoo!

really? Nash would be abused on the top line? Callahan would be abused on the 2nd line? 3rd line maybe, and certainly not the 4th line.

 

[Matt4776]

I'm usually a stickler for proven NHL talent over draft picks, but I'd prefer the #5 as a basis for a deal over Skinner. I think there's a semi-reasonable chance that Drouin could fall into your lap at #5. Stevie likes his Russians and I could see him taking Nichushkin at #3. Barkov might as well have been genetically engineered to play for the Preds, so that leaves Drouin right there. Rangers haven't drafted a kid that skilled since Kovalev.

Do you think Carolina would wait to make the trade until they see who is on the board at #5?

If pick #5 rolls around and Drouin is available, would they trade the pick to us?

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Eh, I loved Skinner but he's on a similar path to Prucha.

He's has multiple concussions and is a small guy. His production is dipping every season.

There's a good chance he's not even in the league in 3-4 years.

 

[RangerBoy]

Jeff Skinner has suffered 2 concussions in the last 2 seasons. At least 2 documented. His contract is a horror show. 6 years. $34.35M. $4.35M this coming season. $6 MILLION in each of the next 5 years. $6 MILLION. With the way Skinner plays and chirps at the opposition,another concussion is right around the corner.

 

[Trxjw]

Do you think Carolina would wait to make the trade until they see who is on the board at #5?

If pick #5 rolls around and Drouin is available, would they trade the pick to us?

I think they'd wait until draft day, but likely wouldn't wait until they were on the clock. If they're shopping the pick I would imagine that immediate help is what they're after. I know Rutherford doesn't like the idea of multiple Russians on the team, but if that's the sole reason they're shopping it, it seems odd to me.

 

[Doctyl]

Do you think Carolina would wait to make the trade until they see who is on the board at #5?

If pick #5 rolls around and Drouin is available, would they trade the pick to us?

well if you have a top 5 pick youre guaranteed one of MacKinnon, Jones, Drouin, Barkov, or Nichushkin. not to shabby. i would be open to trading for that pick. #5+mcbain for staal? fair?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

If we're gonna go for an overpaid winger making $6M long term, I'd rather it be Eberle than Skinner.

Edmonton does like DZ a lot...what would we have to add to DZ to get Eberle, though?

 

[NYR Viper]

really? Nash would be abused on the top line? Callahan would be abused on the 2nd line? 3rd line maybe, and certainly not the 4th line.

Yes. Yes. No, but he is the only person who would not. 3rd line easily. You are throwing Dorsett to the wolves by himself.

 

[Trxjw]

If we're gonna go for an overpaid winger making $6M long term, I'd rather it be Eberle than Skinner.

Edmonton does like DZ a lot...what would we have to add to DZ to get Eberle, though?

Agreed. Eberle is a much better player. Plus he's a RH shot which would be a nice thing to have.

 

[RangerGuru]

Agreed. Eberle is a much better player. Plus he's a RH shot which would be a nice thing to have.

Whatabout Bobby Ryan though honestly if we are going down this road

 

[Matt4776]

I think they'd wait until draft day, but likely wouldn't wait until they were on the clock. If they're shopping the pick I would imagine that immediate help is what they're after. I know Rutherford doesn't like the idea of multiple Russians on the team, but if that's the sole reason they're shopping it, it seems odd to me.

Do you think Drouin would be able to play the second-line this year? Obviously don't expect him to be flawless, but would he stick out (in a negative way) on the second line this year?

If not, I'd be down for a Staal for Drouin base.

Kreider-Stepan-Nash

Kreider has shown chemistry with Stepan in the past, and I think Nash and Kreider together would be dynamite. Big first line that can control the puck, and also excels on the rush.

Drouin-Brassard-Callahan

I think Drouin and Brassard would be money together. I don't love Callahan on this line, as I think we really need a finisher here, but we don't really have any other option. If Fast proves to be capable as an offensive threat (which may be a lot to ask for as a first year NA player) he can be swapped here. As far as the future goes, it'd be nice if one of CT, Fast, or Miller could develop into a true finisher, it would help us tons. We really need someone to complement this line. In year two and three, I could see a Drouin-Brassard-Nash first line, and perhaps a Kreider-Stepan-Miller second line.

Hagelin-Lindberg-Fast

The Swede line. Their games really compliment each other. Perfect third line for AVs system. They are fast, and can get the puck in deep for offensive zone FOs. Have some skill as well. I think it'd be a joy watching this line play.

Haley/Pyatt/Asham/Goon/Hrvik/Whoever-Boyle-Dorsett (and maybe Callahan three to four years down the road)

Fourth line. Finally we'll have a fourth line that is actually a fourth line, and not just random AHL fodder stuck together. Can win FOs, is defensively responsible, and can chip in with the occasional goal. I like it.

McD-G

First pairing. No explanation necessary.

MDZ-Stralman

Unless we acquire another D-man, this will be our second pairing. Again, no second pairing really necessary.

Moore-McIlrath

I do believe McIlrath makes the team this year, and I think Moore would be a great partner for him. Moore is fast enough to cover for any positional mistakes McIlrath may make. McIlrath is also a great skater in his own right (for someone his size).

 

[KreidertheGlider]

hagelin-stepan-nash. skinner-brassard-callahan. kreider-richards/3c-zucc. pyatt-boyle-dorsett. that's depth and scoring talent.

If my dream offseason happens it would be..

Skinner-Stepan-Nash
Kreider-Brassard- Callahan
MacArthur-Lindberg- Zuccarello
Nystrom- Boyle- UFA

Staal- Faulk
McD- Stralman
Moore- McI

Michael Del Zotto + Girardi + Hagelin for Skinner + Faulk

Hopefully CAR doesn't want the Staal bros too much

 

[Matt4776]

If my dream offseason happens it would be..

Skinner-Stepan-Nash
Kreider-Brassard- Callahan
MacArthur-Lindberg- Zuccarello
Nystrom- Boyle- UFA

Staal- Faulk
McD- Stralman
Moore- McI

Michael Del Zotto + Girardi + Hagelin for Skinner + Faulk

Hopefully CAR doesn't want the Staal bros too much

Why would they ever trade Skinner AND Faulk for MDZ and Girardi?

Part of the reason they want Staal (for better or worse) is his name. It's something to market to Carolina fans, not to mention Staal is 100x the D-man MDZ is.

In addition, we aren't getting Faulk.

 

[Trxjw]

Whatabout Bobby Ryan though honestly if we are going down this road

I think Eberle has better playmaking instincts. Ryan is a very good goal scorer and one-on-one player, but his tendency to take shifts off and be somewhat invisible from shift to shift has always irked me. Eberle has that winners mentality that you just can't teach. Guy can score big goals and seems to have ice in his veins. He's a more complete player, IMO.

 

[Miz]

I like Stralman, but I personally don't think he's a top 4 D-man. Makes a great 5-6D but we were forced to play him more last yr due to the injuries.

 

[Guyute]

don't want to touch skinner with a ten foot pole. especially if it costs staal. he's a disaster in the making. too small, too many concussions. he's declining already, not developing like a young guy should.

 

[Ola]

Skinner doesn't even remotely look like the same player he was.

I've never been the biggest fan of Skinner...

 

[Matt4776]

I like Stralman, but I personally don't think he's a top 4 D-man. Makes a great 5-6D but we were forced to play him more last yr due to the injuries.

Stralman played fantastic last year. I'd argue he was our most consistent d-man.

 

[Ola]

I like Stralman, but I personally don't think he's a top 4 D-man. Makes a great 5-6D but we were forced to play him more last yr due to the injuries.

I think arguments could be made both ways, but with Girardi as your nr 1 RD and Strålman as your nr 2 RD you are definietly short alot of things in relation to what is ideal.

 

[Trxjw]

Do you think Drouin would be able to play the second-line this year? Obviously don't expect him to be flawless, but would he stick out (in a negative way) on the second line this year?

Honestly, I think each of the top-7 players in the draft could step in next year in some capacity. Those 7 being Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin, Nichushkin, Barkov, Lindholm and Monahan. It's really a matter of teams being willing to deal with some growing pains along the way.

Drouin could easily contend for the Calder next year. Kid is absolutely electrifying with the puck. However, he does remind me a bit of Huberdeau in the sense that I think he might be a little bit light for the NHL. He might need to bulk up a bit to withstand some of the physical play.

 

[KreidertheGlider]

Why would they ever trade Skinner AND Faulk for MDZ and Girardi?

Part of the reason they want Staal (for better or worse) is his name. It's something to market to Carolina fans, not to mention Staal is 100x the D-man MDZ is.

In addition, we aren't getting Faulk.

Yes that's why it is the best possible lineup IMO.

Hence the 1st and last line of my post.

It's = value wise, just not preferable for CAR

 

[KreidertheGlider]

Honestly, I think each of the top-7 players in the draft could step in next year in some capacity. Those 7 being Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin, Nichushkin, Barkov, Lindholm and Monahan. It's really a matter of teams being willing to deal with some growing pains along the way.

Drouin could easily contend for the Calder next year. Kid is absolutely electrifying with the puck. However, he does remind me a bit of Huberdeau in the sense that I think he might be a little bit light for the NHL. He might need to bulk up a bit to withstand some of the physical play.

Who would most likely be a available at #5 and #7? CAR and EDM both seem like trading partners with us.

Who fits this team best in the top 7?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I dont think fans even want the Rangers to have a legit offense sometimes. There is ALWAYS something wrong with EVERY possible move someone suggests to bring in more offense. "too small", "too much money", "not tough enough", "soft". Grit and jam only take you so far as Torts found out, you need TALENT to win in this league. Skinner provides that, and he also provides goals. Obviously he's not the only option, but if we're dealing Staal to Carolina, thats who I want in return, not the #5 pick who has no guarantee of succeeding in the NHL despite how great of a prospect they are.