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True. Kreider is the wild card for me.
I've always thought that we have enough talent to at least have a PP that isn't complete ****. Hopefully AV can make that happen. Although the ratio of lefties:righties might be a detriment.
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I've always thought that we have enough talent to at least have a PP that isn't complete ****. Hopefully AV can make that happen. Although the ratio of lefties:righties might be a detriment.
Zil
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I'd slot Hrivik in there somewhere. His combination of skill and defensive play appeal to me. Maybe something like this:
Kreider-Stepan/Brassard-Nash
Hagelin-Stepan/Brassard-Callahan
Hrivik-Lindberg-Thomas/Fast
Pyatt/Powe-Boyle-Dorsett
2nd line could be
clowe-brass-zucc
clowe can score, has a gritty game and had some nice chemistry with brassard when they played together. obviously people are cautious with signing him but i would go to war with
Kreider/Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Clowe-Brassard-Zuccarello
Hagelin/Kreider-Lindberg/Miller-Callahan
Pyatt-Boyle-Dorsett
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
Twenty f*ckin years
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I don't think you have to worry about Stralman. I think he is back in training already though I'm not sure what kind. However, I read a short article in a local newspaper about him where he mentioned that he suffered a AC separation, but that it wasn't that severe and he expected to be back in full training pretty soon. About the facial fractures he said that he could have played through them with a cage. There is numbness and he still can't feel some of his teeth, though.
UAGoalieGuy
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I think one of the biggest wild cards for this team is if Kreider is ready for full time duty and put up decent numbers. That would change the dynamics of this team big time.
HankTheTankYoLo
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Offseason moves:
Sign Mason Raymond 3 years, 3.5m
Sig Eric Nystrom 2 years, 1.5m
Buy Ouy Richards
Trade Michael Del Zotto for Burmistrov + Postma
gives us:
Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Hagelin - Brassard - Zuccarello
Raymond - Burmistrov - Callahan
Nystrom - Boyle - Dorsett
McD - Girardi
Staal - Postma
Moore - Stralman
Hank
Biron
Better than that i dont think the rangers will be, and tbf i think this is better than all the superstars etc. Rangers have to trust on Stepan and Brassard as 1 and 2 C
Sign Mason Raymond 3 years, 3.5m
Sig Eric Nystrom 2 years, 1.5m
Buy Ouy Richards
Trade Michael Del Zotto for Burmistrov + Postma
gives us:
Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Hagelin - Brassard - Zuccarello
Raymond - Burmistrov - Callahan
Nystrom - Boyle - Dorsett
McD - Girardi
Staal - Postma
Moore - Stralman
Hank
Biron
Better than that i dont think the rangers will be, and tbf i think this is better than all the superstars etc. Rangers have to trust on Stepan and Brassard as 1 and 2 C
cd211
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We need clowe/bickell if chi doesnt sign him.. we need that toughness upfront
I would like to trade MDZ for Eberle and on the main board Stasny would be a good fit..
Clowe-Stasny-X(MZA/Horton)
Kreider-Step-Nash
Hags-Brass-Callahan
Powe-Boyle-Dorsett
or if we trade MDZ for stasny ad some pieces to have them retain $$ and we try and bring in horton..I would like to see it.. it makes us deep and a legit 3rd and 4th line..
Clowe is garbage. He can score? He scored three goals in 2013. And suffered three concussions. He suffered as many concussions in 2013 as goals he scored.
The guy is slow, declining, and sustained three head injuries in a half season. And to top it all off he will be overpaid.
Rangers should not, and probably will not sacrifice another draft pick to keep an old, injured, slow, declining, overpaid shell (if that) of what used to be a player.
Horton? How many injuries does this guy need to sustain before major red flags go up? We should over pay for Nathan Horton with bum shoulders?
Callahan and Hagelin already may not be ready for the start of the season, now we should sink valuable cap space into another guy who may not start the season?
Callahan and Hagelin already may not be ready for the start of the season, now we should sink valuable cap space into another guy who may not start the season?
So if Richards stays do we root harder for him to stay healthy than to produce?
http://snyrangersblog.com/2012-13-p...-is-brad-richards-not-going-to-be-bought-out/
http://snyrangersblog.com/2012-13-p...-is-brad-richards-not-going-to-be-bought-out/
LaffyTaffyNYR
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Does it have to be a serious injury and he can't be bought out? like what if he's DTD at the end of season or playoffs?
Jim Morrison
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I'm willing to give Richards another shot with AV at the horns. Seriously. It's just a feeling I have. I don't want to give up on him just yet. Like when Jagr left Washington to come here.
Rangers need more skill and speed upfront more then they need more "jam".
The Rangers couldn't exit their own end to save their collective lives because they had God awful foot speed as a collective team.
Pyatt, Boyle, Asham, Stepan, Zuccarello, Clowe, Nash... These guys aren't exactly burners.
Del Zotto for
-Schenn
-Ferraro
-Burmistrov
-Eberle
Guys who can skate. Guys who like to have the puck.
Add speed and grit to the bottom six:
-Nystrom
-Raymond
-Stalberg
Remove the elephants:
-Pyatt
-Clowe
-Asham
The only reason to keep Boyle is because Vigneault will need a guy to take defensive zone faceoffs. He likes his offensive guys starting in the offensive zone.
Build the roster on speed, flow, tenacity. Four lines that can press the opposition. Even if you don't have major scores. Push the pace, and have the pressure in the opposition's half of the rink, it won't matter how "tough" another team thinks they are, eventually your speed and tenacity will wear them out.
Out skate the opposition.
You want a system focused more on an attack, instead of allowing the opposition to control the puck, but don't have the offensive guns to score 3 goals per game? That's how to do it.
I see a lot of suggestions but not a lot of real substance behind a plan. Figure out what the identity is going to be. We tried the slow "jam" no possession, no forecheck garbage that Tortorella employed. New coach now. Opposite identity.
Speed
Forecheck
Tenacity
Top to bottom in the lineup.
The only forward free agent i have interest in after Nystrom, Stalberg, and Raymond, is Weiss. Because he fits the identity we should be looking to build. Speed, tenacity, and skill. However, only if Graves can convince Weiss and his agent to come to NY below his market value. The Graves and Weiss families are chums. Could work in our favor.
The Rangers couldn't exit their own end to save their collective lives because they had God awful foot speed as a collective team.
Pyatt, Boyle, Asham, Stepan, Zuccarello, Clowe, Nash... These guys aren't exactly burners.
Del Zotto for
-Schenn
-Ferraro
-Burmistrov
-Eberle
Guys who can skate. Guys who like to have the puck.
Add speed and grit to the bottom six:
-Nystrom
-Raymond
-Stalberg
Remove the elephants:
-Pyatt
-Clowe
-Asham
The only reason to keep Boyle is because Vigneault will need a guy to take defensive zone faceoffs. He likes his offensive guys starting in the offensive zone.
Build the roster on speed, flow, tenacity. Four lines that can press the opposition. Even if you don't have major scores. Push the pace, and have the pressure in the opposition's half of the rink, it won't matter how "tough" another team thinks they are, eventually your speed and tenacity will wear them out.
Out skate the opposition.
You want a system focused more on an attack, instead of allowing the opposition to control the puck, but don't have the offensive guns to score 3 goals per game? That's how to do it.
I see a lot of suggestions but not a lot of real substance behind a plan. Figure out what the identity is going to be. We tried the slow "jam" no possession, no forecheck garbage that Tortorella employed. New coach now. Opposite identity.
Speed
Forecheck
Tenacity
Top to bottom in the lineup.
The only forward free agent i have interest in after Nystrom, Stalberg, and Raymond, is Weiss. Because he fits the identity we should be looking to build. Speed, tenacity, and skill. However, only if Graves can convince Weiss and his agent to come to NY below his market value. The Graves and Weiss families are chums. Could work in our favor.
when clowe was here he played great. the guy can still put up 40-50 points along with bringing snarl to this team which we desperrately need. in his 4 seasons before this one he had 22 goals, 19 goals, 24 goals and 17 goals. so clowe can score around 20 goals. his point totals have been 52, 57, 62 and 45. clowe is not garbage.
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These are good lines, I would lock in Hagelin on the 1st though.
It also highlights the need to acquire another winger, preferably LW since Zucc prefers the right side. Clarke MacArthur has been my preferred choice ever since someone mentioned him as a typical Slats disaster signing. I think he could come cheap and sign a short deal. He fits into what I believe is currently the predominant style of the team (smaller, but high intensity forwards: Callahan, Stepan, Hagelin, Zucc, Dorsett, Asham) and many of his strengths are ones that are usually undervalued in the NHL.
Clowe didn't play more often than he did here.
Look everyone knows we need a player like clowe used to be. I'm not interested in committing multiple years to declining damaged goods.
HonestGabe
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Sign Raymond (2 years, $6m , $3m cap)
Sign Nystrom (3 years $5.4m, $1.8m cap)
Lines
Hagelin Stepan Nash
Kreider Brassard Zuccarello
Raymond Miller Callahan
Nystrom Boyle Dorsett
McDonagh Girardi
Staal Del Zotto
Moore Stralman
Sign Nystrom (3 years $5.4m, $1.8m cap)
Lines
Hagelin Stepan Nash
Kreider Brassard Zuccarello
Raymond Miller Callahan
Nystrom Boyle Dorsett
McDonagh Girardi
Staal Del Zotto
Moore Stralman
NYR Viper
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I would be okay with that. Although I think they move a defenseman for a forward and they try and upgrade Zuccarelllo because that lineup is very soft.
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Raymond would be a pretty good option to add skill to our 3rd line, without looking out of place on the 2nd. I do have concerns with team size though.
so clowe got injured. when staal's contract is up would you let him walk because he was injured?
we need a player like clowe. if not clowe, who? clarksson would cost just as much or more and he is much worse than clowe. bickell will likely stay in chicago. torres would be suspended more than he would play. players like this dont grow on trees, they are pretty tough to come by. we had prust but we let him go. we need clowe.
Please do not make this team softer than it already is. I don't want to watch another season of guys not clearing the front of the net, guys taking s*** and not doing anything about it. I am hoping McIlrath sees some time this year, along with Andrew Yogan who IMO is a very interesting player. He has size, can score, plays with "jam" as they say. I think we may see him in preseason playing in a 3rd line role? I think we stick to signing our RFA's (Steps, McD, and Hags) not Zuc. Resign Clowe if he is willing to take a paycut and maybe play 3rd line role. Sign Nystrom, good PKer, physical and can fight. Trade Powe and Asham for a late pick or a minor leaguer with potential. I think we keep Pyatt as a 12/13th forward. Assuming that Miller and Kreider can handle bigger roles here is my team:
Hagelin Stepan Nash
Kreider Brassard Callahan
Clowe Miller Yogan/Dorsett
Nystrom Boyle Dorsett/Pyatt
McD G
Staal DZ
Moore Strals
Mcilrath/Eminger
Any reports on Yogan being ready?
Hagelin Stepan Nash
Kreider Brassard Callahan
Clowe Miller Yogan/Dorsett
Nystrom Boyle Dorsett/Pyatt
McD G
Staal DZ
Moore Strals
Mcilrath/Eminger
Any reports on Yogan being ready?
I get that this is a discussion board and the point is to... discuss. But at some point isn't it okay to admit that we don't know even half of the information out there and therefore could not possibly hold an educated opinion? The kind of contract we do offer Clowe (if we offer any) will largely depend on a whole slew of medical opinions, MRI results, and similar stuff that not a single person on this board could claim to have any insight into. So let's stop pretending otherwise.
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