Speculation: 2013 Offseason Thread Part V: Streit signs with PHI (4 years, $5.25M per)

[TheRightWay]

So with us having the best goaltender in the world, why were we forced to try to dive and block every shot? Why did we play a 6 goalie system? It was no wonder we couldn't clear our own zone and our breakout sucked under him. The whole team was either on the ice from trying to block a shot or caught too low for the possessing player to have anyone to pass to

My favorite part about this incomplete argument is when the person completely skirts around the fact that the Boston Bruins got to the Stanley Cup Finals largely with the same mechanisms.

 

[Kershaw]

I don't want Clowe, I don't want Clarkson, I don't want Bickell. Everyone is always looking for that mythical powerforward that doesn't really exist, and the Clowes, Clarksons, and Bickells are going to get extremely overpaid. Look at Milan Lucic who is probably the prime PWF in the league. Lucic while good, is nothing more than a complimentary player and he gets $6M/year on a hometown contract.

Get MacArthur, or maybe Stålberg, but I think all Chicago UFAs will get extra overpaid this offseason.

Completely agreed. But it is inevitable IMO that one of the three are going to be Rangers. Clarkson is the best player, less injury prone and won't cost the team a high draft pick.

 

[Kershaw]

Because Clarkson would have been a good signing?

The guy's hot streak ended and he scored 5 goals in his last 34 games. The guy's barely a 30 point player.

Clarkson scored 5x as many goals as Clowe did this season. And no, he is not 'barely a 30 point player' today. Last year he had 46 points and this year he was on pace for 41 pts over an 82 game season.

 

[The Gloaming]

Because Clarkson would have been a good signing?

The guy's hot streak ended and he scored 5 goals in his last 34 games. The guy's barely a 30 point player.

Yeah, he's a stud.

 

[Kakko]

Clarkson scored 5x as many goals as Clowe did this season. And no, he is not 'barely a 30 point player' today. Last year he had 46 points and this year he was on pace for 41 pts over an 82 game season.

And Clowe played at a 55 point pace in New York.

Brian Boyle scored 20 goals two seasons ago. The same way Clarkson did last year, and the start of this year.

DEVILS FANS WANT THE GUY GONE

 

[Kershaw]

And Clowe played at a 55 point pace in New York.

Brian Boyle scored 20 goals two seasons ago. The same way Clarkson did last year, and the start of this year.

DEVILS FANS WANT THE GUY GONE

You are pointing to a 12 game sample size in Clowe's stint with the Rangers. A lot of those points which came as secondary assists. Not comparable in a way to Clarkson, who has been producing at a 40+ pt rate for 120+ games.

I am not sure why the Boyle comparison is coming up. Clarkson's maintained a 30g pro rated season for the past season and a half.

I see Devils fans very torn on giving him 5mil that he'll probably get in FA, which is understandable.

 

[LetterJ]

If AV is signed, look for Mason Raymond and Max Lapierre to be rumored to the Rangers.

This, as the price is certainly right for Slats because of their UFA status. In fact, I think it will be more than just a rumour with Raymond.

 

[bernmeister]

So we have great goaltending, solid defense and average at best offense. And Tort's solution was to play a defensive system? How does that make sense? Shouldn't he have played a more aggressive system to maximize our offense and count on our defense and goaltending to do their job? Why did we need to collapse into the middle of the defensive zone when we have the best goaltender in the world?

Tort's system is the reason we had absolutely no transition game.

Tell it, tell it!

 

[Kokoschka]

Assuming we buy out Richards and we somehow fit our RFAs under the cap and enough space remains... what would you guys think about something around DZ/Girardi for Stastny? I know his cap is godawful but I think he could - similarly to Brassard - use a change of scenery. I have the feeling Sacco didn't use him correctly. Plus he only has one year left on that abortion of a contract and gives you a depth chart of Stepan-Stastny-Brassard-Boyle-Lindberg down the middle. That ain't bad.
My issue is he doesn't really solve our Top-6 size issues.

Opinions?

 

[Procrastinator]

Lecav?

some rumors floating about TB buying out lecav.

maybe a good option if (hopefully but richards).

legit first line center who will also drop the mitts.

thoughts?

 

[Fitzy]

It would have to be a sweetheart of a deal, and it wouldn't be. A bought out Vinny L would land a big contract, very likely from the Toronto Maple Leafs, who would have been gearing up for a lesser center in Weiss.

I'm not saying I wouldn't look into it, but I think the team's deficiency is at left wing, not center.

 

[Procrastinator]

Lecav?

if TB buys him out.

anyone interested?

 

[mti79]

Assuming we buy out Richards and we somehow fit our RFAs under the cap and enough space remains... what would you guys think about something around DZ/Girardi for Stastny? I know his cap is godawful but I think he could - similarly to Brassard - use a change of scenery. I have the feeling Sacco didn't use him correctly. Plus he only has one year left on that abortion of a contract and gives you a depth chart of Stepan-Stastny-Brassard-Boyle-Lindberg down the middle. That ain't bad.
My issue is he doesn't really solve our Top-6 size issues.

Opinions?

I don't hate the idea of acquiring Stastny, but I'm not sure it's a good idea to trade DZ/G to do it. I'm not sure we have the defensive depth in the system to absorb that loss. If we traded DZ(cause we have more LHD) then it leaves McD, G, Staal, Stralman, Moore.... who is the 6th? Eminger? McIlrath? Some veteran? And then if someone goes down, we could be in trouble.

My ideal situation is keeping the 6 we have this year and maybe make a move at the deadline if we need a forward. Then hopefully Letang becomes available and we sign him. Then you can move a DZ/G or someone to bolster the offense.

 

[Kokoschka]

It would have to be a sweetheart of a deal, and it wouldn't be. A bought out Vinny L would land a big contract, very likely from the Toronto Maple Leafs, who would have been gearing up for a lesser center in Weiss.

I'm not saying I wouldn't look into it, but I think the team's deficiency is at left wing, not center.

While I agree our issues at LW are more concerning, our center depth isn't exactly something to brag about... we really need 2 or 3 of Fasth, Lindberg, Kreider, Miller and Hrivik to step up next year, otherwise I'm not overly optimistic about our season.

 

[Fitzy]

If someone can figure out why Stastny's production has been following the development curve of Joe Juneau, perhaps they could do something about it and turn him into a top line center again. But it's a risk.

 

[Fitzy]

Right, but what we need rather than want at center is a third liner. That should be fairly easy to acquire. These 1b options being thrown around are pricey, and risky.

 

[Kokoschka]

Right, but what we need rather than want at center is a third liner. That should be fairly easy to acquire. These 1b options being thrown around are pricey, and risky.

I'm not sold on Brassard taking a Top 6 role, tbh. I know he was probably our best player from the point we got him, but his whole career has "inconsistency" written over it.

As for the trading DZ to get Stastny. The plan then would be to sign Murray or (pipe dream) Scuderi for 2nd/3rd pairing duties. Re-Sign Eminger and let him and McI be #7 and #8. Staal-Girardi-McD-Stralman-Moore-Murray/Scuderi-Eminger-McI. I like that a lot more than guys like Hamrlik being options. It's a risky move though, I'll gladly admit that.

 

[Raspewtin]

Assuming we buy out Richards and we somehow fit our RFAs under the cap and enough space remains... what would you guys think about something around DZ/Girardi for Stastny? I know his cap is godawful but I think he could - similarly to Brassard - use a change of scenery. I have the feeling Sacco didn't use him correctly. Plus he only has one year left on that abortion of a contract and gives you a depth chart of Stepan-Stastny-Brassard-Boyle-Lindberg down the middle. That ain't bad.
My issue is he doesn't really solve our Top-6 size issues.

Opinions?

absolutely not. Stastny has an awful contract.

 

[Bluenote13]

If someone can figure out why Stastny's production has been following the development curve of Joe Juneau, perhaps they could do something about it and turn him into a top line center again. But it's a risk.

Maybe it's a change of scenery situation.

Stastny was fantastic at this years WC's.

 

[GAGLine]

absolutely not. Stastny has an awful contract.

He has 1 year left on his deal. Unless he has a great year, he'll likely get less on his next contract.

 

[Raspewtin]

He has 1 year left on his deal. Unless he has a great year, he'll likely get less on his next contract.

ah I didn't know that.

 

[NYR Viper]

You are pointing to a 12 game sample size in Clowe's stint with the Rangers. A lot of those points which came as secondary assists. Not comparable in a way to Clarkson, who has been producing at a 40+ pt rate for 120+ games.

I am not sure why the Boyle comparison is coming up. Clarkson's maintained a 30g pro rated season for the past season and a half.

I see Devils fans very torn on giving him 5mil that he'll probably get in FA, which is understandable.

Clarkson had a hot start this season, then he sucked.

He is another RWer. He has practically no skill whatsoever.

 

[LetterJ]

Maybe it's a change of scenery situation.

Stastny was fantastic at this years WC's.

And it's pretty much guaranteed he's an Olympian.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I might actually break something if the Rangers sign Lapierre

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Lapierre? I see that as a lateral move to Boyle. Similar age, similar role, etc.

No real need unless they can get a second rounder at the draft for Boyle or even another third rounder + then maybe make that deal.

Raymond on the other hand is intriguing. Him on the third line with the Swedes or him and JT Miller together who is called very similar to Raymond. That's appealing.