Speculation: 2013 Offseason Thread Part V: Streit signs with PHI (4 years, $5.25M per)

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I have updated my last plan in light of the fact that the Oilers (esp. braintrust Howson) are high on MDZ (previously in package to Col.).

The scenario is not flawless, but in most areas is substantial improvement.
DEFINITE MOVES
Deal 1, McDonagh + Sam Noreau + conditional pick to AVs
for
1st overall (McKinnon) + Duncan Siemens
Col gets conditional first to guarantee satisfaction on Noreau
five full years after this current 2013 draft is the 2018 draft
5 years = 2 years to develop, get into NHL, 3 years to show
assuming he is not traded before, and assuming he is not seriously injured to = ‘damaged goods’, if AVs prefer, they may then return trade Noreau back to the Rangers for the NY 2018 first pick.

COL expensive, but get top end lefty D they need and decent prospect. Braintrust under Roy may prefer talented McKinnon w/first overall, but McD is young and the real deal and they need a franchise lefty D who they will not turn down given they also have enough RD.

NYR McKinnon = potential franchise C, and Siemens is solid asset on left, maybe coupled with McIlrath on occasion! Remember Malkin will not UFA, so this makes sense for NY since AVs are C heavy.


Trade 2: Marc Staal to Carolina for 5th overall, + is optional.
CAR good move to compete now, good biz ($) move
NYR 5th overall is key to trade for 2 overall


Trade 3: Stepan + MDZ + Moore + Girardi + Andersson to Oilers for 7th overall, Yakupov + J. Schultz + Marancin + Gernat
Oilers get 3 NHL ready Ds (net gain 2 established over Schultz returned); solid pivot adding to RNH. Andersson a 4th round pick further away but good value vs. Gernat (5th), closer to ready now. Marancin a former 2nd, but still have Kefbom (1st) + Musil (2nd) to add to Smid +, so they will 100% have complete D going into season. Playmaking C helps keep many Ws productive.
Price is high but they have enough firepower to swing it; big time defense upgrade.

Rangers upgrade at RD, have sniper LW for first line, and 7 overall to move up at draft.


Trade 4: 5th overall + 7th overall + St. Croix for 2nd overall (Jones)
FLA Tallon probably will let you bribe him if there is enough on the table. There is a drop off after the first three, but still, # 5 could be very special, and 7 special. St. Croix makes/competes within a year for big club. May need small NY add, expect it is enough as is.

NYR Seth Jones. We could also use more special players, but this is a fit like a glove.

Note: fall back position would be to offer Lightning 5th + 7th for Hedman.
Having the extra shot at an extra impact player [and denying same to instate rival] is another reason for Tallon to lean yes.

POSSIBLE FURTHER MOVES
Trade 5: If available for less due to recovery from concussions, Jake Gardiner from Leafs.
This is not likely, but should be considered if opportunity on Toronto side makes feasible.

You are stocked on RD, thin at LD.
Option 1: Alec Martinez might be available from Kings. Reasonably possible, LA would take futures + to respect cap. 2 in 3 chance to get done.

Option 2: If $ is right Scuderi for a short term (1-2 yr) deal; though righty, he has smarts to probably switch to off side. This would mostly be guided by where he wants to play, likely return to NY area, but could be Isles, Pens, etc. 1 in 4 chance to get done.

Option 3: If he passes tryout, which I doubt, and agrees to sign minimum 2 way deal for minimum term w/club option to renew up to 1 year, Kaberle, while limited, could be a fit.

Not likely Letang would be made available/cheap/sent to division rival but if they can’t do another hometown discount with him, and they are saving for Malkin, and nobody wants MAF, we might get lucky, but I doubt it. Also wants Doughty type $8mil per, so no overpayment is acceptable, this is 1 yr rental only. 1 in 100 chance to get done.

See who is available from cuts before trading.
Sign Stalberg to 2 year deal



Richards Let go
Clowe Pyatt Newbury Powe Zucarello Get what you can


LW C RW
Yakupov McKinnon Nash
Kreider Brassard Stalberg
Hagelin Miller Callahan
Fast Lindberg Asham (last year of deal)/Dorsett
Boyle

Yogan, Haley waiting in the wings

Ds
Marancin J. Schultz
Gernat Jones
Siemens Stralman/McIlrath

eventually Skjei

Yes, it is thin at LD and all rookies. But these are guys that are good enough on paper to have great shot to succeed, and the rest of the club is totally poised to be kick ass.

Paveltenko/Pashnin/Gilroy/Bickel give one final shot, see if they can earn one LD slot, esp. if this is a different system.

Gs
Hank L
Cam Talbot

While Biron can be reconsidered for less, we need to consider Talbot resting Hank vs. weaker competition.

Remember, with these moves, Rangers are younger, have reduced payroll, have greater cap flexibility to use going forward. While we should expect some growing pains at first, this is a group likely to get very good very quickly.
 
Just looking at the cap hits, I'm becoming more ok with trading for Stastny. Pretty much the same cap hit as Richards and I think Stastny has the better chance of bouncing back. New team, new coach, lesser expectations because he wouldn't have to be the #1 center may help him. And it's only a 1 year gamble. The hesitation comes from giving up on MDZ before we see what Vigneault can do with him. I also don't want to give up Danny because the guy is a warrior who has been 1/2 of our top pair for 3 years now.

Hamrlik and Gilroy are gone. I wouldn't mind Eminger back as a 6/7 guy but someone may sign him to play every game and I don't think the Rangers can give him that certainty. Sauer, unfortunately, is probably done. He doesn't seem to be making any progress in his recovery, but maybe he signs a 2 way deal and starts in Hartford if he's healthy. Depending on who is available on the market to play on the bottom pair, we may be best to just hold onto the D we have and see what happens.

McD-Girardi
Staal-Stralman
MDZ-Moore

with the possibility of adding McIlrath if he's ready. Maybe they get a sense of that early which affords them the chance to make a deal later.
 
I have updated my last plan in light of the fact that the Oilers (esp. braintrust Howson) are high on MDZ (previously in package to Col.).

The scenario is not flawless, but in most areas is substantial improvement.

the thing i love most about your insane trade proposals is that they always result in the most awful lineup and makes the rangers significantly worse than they were before LOL
 
Just looking at the cap hits, I'm becoming more ok with trading for Stastny. Pretty much the same cap hit as Richards and I think Stastny has the better chance of bouncing back. New team, new coach, lesser expectations because he wouldn't have to be the #1 center may help him. And it's only a 1 year gamble. The hesitation comes from giving up on MDZ before we see what Vigneault can do with him. I also don't want to give up Danny because the guy is a warrior who has been 1/2 of our top pair for 3 years now.

Hamrlik and Gilroy are gone. I wouldn't mind Eminger back as a 6/7 guy but someone may sign him to play every game and I don't think the Rangers can give him that certainty. Sauer, unfortunately, is probably done. He doesn't seem to be making any progress in his recovery, but maybe he signs a 2 way deal and starts in Hartford if he's healthy. Depending on who is available on the market to play on the bottom pair, we may be best to just hold onto the D we have and see what happens.

McD-Girardi
Staal-Stralman
MDZ-Moore

with the possibility of adding McIlrath if he's ready. Maybe they get a sense of that early which affords them the chance to make a deal later.

I think Richards has a better chance to perform for us next season than statsny would honestly
 
Mildly surprised we haven't had anyone advocate picking Luongo up on the cheap and then trading Henrik for a king's ransom. (Pun intended)

We've come a long way.
 
I really don't see the Rangers moving any DMan. Remember;

Staal-Eye injury, status unknown for opening night. Trade value at an all-time low.
Del Z-Sports hernia surgery so not starting training on-time and with the uncertainty of Staal and even Stralman to start the year, can they afford to deal him?
Stralman-Shoulder and facial issues. What's his ET for recovery? He's gonna have maybe six weeks at most to train this summer.
Emminger-UFA. Will he be back?

So that leaves McD, Girardi, and Moore.

Does management expect McLIrath and Noreau to earn spots? That's silly to assume they will.

Hughes and Allen in the farm as first year pros.

Anderson still in Sweden.

No one else. They gotta add D, not subtract them.
 
Mildly surprised we haven't had anyone advocate picking Luongo up on the cheap and then trading Henrik for a king's ransom. (Pun intended)

We've come a long way.

well not until now thanks to you we'll get 40 post a day mapping out the potential returns we could get for hank LOL
 
Not at all... not at all.

We're worried about Eminger leaving? For what? If we want him back he'll sign here. If not, we'll pick up an equal 7th defenseman.

Staal will most certainly be ready for next season. DZ would be ready to skate in 3 weeks.

Come on, guys. I feel like I've been wasting my time posting about this in this thread already.
 
Ds
Marancin J. Schultz
Gernat Jones
Siemens Stralman/McIlrath

Good. We'll compete in 5 years then. Or probably never. Until then we'll watch this whole place go up in flames.

And how the **** do you keep putting Marincin and Gernat that highly? Gernat, while having all sorts of potential could easily bust (he has close to 0 hockey IQ; really, if people here are frustrated with MDZ's outlet passes, they haven't seen this guy) and Marincin isn't the guy I'd like to anchor our 1st d pairing (however, I'll give you that, I think he can be a damn useful 2nd pairing defensive defenseman). I get to watch Slovakian hockey an awful lot, but sorry, I just can't see your point here.
 
Maybe Patty Roy would be interested in getting his old Remparts player Ryan Bourque back. Part of a package for Stastny?
 
yeah I'm ok with keeping Pyatt.. Pyatt-Boyle-Dorsett is definitely a 4th line I could live with, problem is 2 of those guys were not playing 4th line this season for us. Boyle was mostly 3rd wing, and Pyatt was even on the top line on ocassion.
 
Maybe Patty Roy would be interested in getting his old Remparts player Ryan Bourque back. Part of a package for Stastny?

What are you willing to part with for a guy who's production has decreased (though still decent), who is making 6M next year and is an upcoming UFA though?
 
We need an actual 4th line. They need to be able to grind, kill penalties, and skate. That needs to be addressed.

Boyle and Dorsett are very good PKers. Can grind very well, all serve a purpose, and they're big. They know each other well too.
 
Pyatt-Boyle-Dorsett produced like a 3rd line in the playoffs.

If they're our fourth line, we'll be fine.

It becomes a problem though if five of the bottom six slots belong to Pyatt, Boyle, Dorsett, Powe, and Asham. That's too many plugs. I shudder to think what happens if they keep Clowe too.
 
It becomes a problem though if five of the bottom six slots belong to Pyatt, Boyle, Dorsett, Powe, and Asham. That's too many plugs. I shudder to think what happens if they keep Clowe too.

Kreider/Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Zuccarello-Brassard-xxxx
Hagelin/Kreider-Lindberg/Miller-Callahan
Pyatt-Boyle-Dorsett

That's my ideal roster. That fourth line is excellent, and surely one of the best in the league.

The holes need to be plugged.
 
It becomes a problem though if five of the bottom six slots belong to Pyatt, Boyle, Dorsett, Powe, and Asham. That's too many plugs. I shudder to think what happens if they keep Clowe too.

if Slats knows anything Powe and Ash are gone. way too one dimensional. No more of that.
 
Kreider/Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Zuccarello-Brassard-xxxx
Hagelin/Kreider-Lindberg/Miller-Callahan
Pyatt-Boyle-Dorsett

That's my ideal roster. That fourth line is excellent, and surely one of the best in the league.

The holes need to be plugged.

think we could use one more good PKer who can fight, like Nystrom.
 
Kreider/Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Zuccarello-Brassard-xxxx
Hagelin/Kreider-Lindberg/Miller-Callahan
Pyatt-Boyle-Dorsett

That's my ideal roster. That fourth line is excellent, and surely one of the best in the league.

The holes need to be plugged.
Ugh, doesn't look like a high-powered offense. A lot hinges on Steps/Brass repeating their performances.
 
Ugh, doesn't look like a high-powered offense. A lot hinges on Steps/Brass repeating their performances.

Doesn't need to be necessarily "high powered"...fun fact. The Rangers, at ES, were the third best team in the league last year in terms of goals for and against ratio.

Our ES play is fine. I really, really hope AV can fix the PP (and, recently, the PK).
 
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