Speculation: 2013 Offseason Thread Part III: Free Agents Suck

[NYR Viper]

The more I think about it the more I want him gone. His wheels is pretty much the only thing he's got.

Powe would be an ideal #13 forward. He won't hurt you, but he adds nothing offensively. If they keep him in that role, fine. But in no way, shape, or form do I want to see him in the top-12.

Of the two I'd move Del Zotto. He's the more redundant piece. Staal is a top 10 defensive defenseman in the league. If he can get back to close to where he was at before the eye injury, he should be kept.



Yes. I've been pimping Scuderi here for a couple weeks. If he wants more than his current contract (3.5 million), he's not an option though.



I would say Kreider makes the team. One of the alleged reasons Torts got fired was his mishandling of Kreider between the NHL and AHL. It was essentially a wasted year of development for him. Either keep him in the A and give him top line minutes, or keep him with the big club and go through the growing pains. I'm going to be very disappointed if all he ends up as is a 3rd/4th line speedster. He should be and can be more than that.

One or both of Miller and Lindberg will be on the team by Christmas. I wouldn't hand either a spot right out of training camp.

Thomas and Hrivik can both be dark horses. Thomas' ticket to the NHL is his big shot. Set him up at the left circle and let him rip one timers like Stamkos does. Of course, this is dependent on the new coach implementing an umbrella strategy on the power play.

I wouldn't discount the possibility of Bourque making the team out of camp for a 4th line role. He's speedy and can PK. Injuries are a worry though.



I wouldn't mind this, but it would defeat the purpose of letting the kids battle it out for spots.



Ditto as Nystrom. Though if it came between the two, I'd add Gordon. Gordon's an elite PK'er and is excellent on faceoffs.



I'd only trade Boyle if Gordon is picked up in free agency. A lot of teams called about Boyle this past deadline. His playoff performance will only raise his stock. If you can get a deal like above, you have to do it. Essentially a Boyle replacement AND a early 2nd rounder? Take it and run.

I'm interested to see the amnesty buyouts this offseason. I'm intrigued by adding Briere for the 2nd line, but injuries worry me.



I'd offer Clowe his salary from his previous contract for three years max. If he wants more, adios. I'm with you on most of your points though

I think if a deal is there for Boyle, you take it. Let some team overpay for his intangibles.

Gordon and Nystrom would go a long way to solving some depth issues. Both are elite for their roles on a team. Both are great PKers.

I would prefer to move MDZ, but if someone offers a lot for Staal, I'm fine with it

Winnipeg needs another left-handed shooting D. They will not re-sign Ron Hainsey. Toby Enstrom is their other lefty along with Mark Stuart who is a third pair D. Alexander Burmistrov. His corsi numbers are apparently good. If you can understand them. He scored 13 goals in his 2nd NHL season as a 20 year old. Burmistrov and the Jets coach Claude Noel have a little Chris Kreider and John Tortorella thing going on. He plays a good two way game. Responsible defensively. Has played some left wing. A natural center. Blake Wheeler is another right winger. The Rangers liked him in 2008. Too bad he is not a left winger. Wheeler is a group II with arb rights. One year from group III. Matt Keator client. Avoid. The Rangers would need another asset in the deal. The Rangers would need to be convinced Burmistrov can fulfill his potential in a new environment. Just one possibility.

This deal makes too much sense. Burmistrov + 1st for MDZ + Pyatt (as they need NHL forward bodies).

Pyatt fits in with their very large group of forwards and the way they like to play.

 

[aufheben]

Burmistrov + 1st rounder? Psh, sign me up. There's our 3C/2LW, and a 1st back.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

This deal makes too much sense. Burmistrov + 1st for MDZ + Pyatt (as they need NHL forward bodies).

Pyatt fits in with their very large group of forwards and the way they like to play.

Pyatt has almost zero value, despite you trying your hardest to make it so.

I can see a trade around Burmistrov and MDZ. I have zero clue why anyone thinks WPG would throw in their 1st rounder.

 

[NYR Viper]

New line-up:

Trades:

MDZ + Pyatt for Burmistrov + WPG 1st '13

Boyle for Hartikainen + EDM 2nd '13

Asham for 5th '13


Sign:
Nystrom (3 years @ 1.5 million/season)
Clowe (3 years @ 3.75 million/season)
Eminger (1 year @ .8 million)
Scuderi ( 2 years @ 2.75 million/season)
Gordon ( 2 years @ 1.4 million/season)

Line-up:

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Clowe-Brassard-Callahan
Hagelin-Burmistrov-Hartikainen
Nystrom-Gordon-Dorsett
Powe, Haley

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Stralman
Moore-Scuderi
Eminger

 

[NYR Viper]

Pyatt has almost zero value, despite you trying your hardest to make it so.

I can see a trade around Burmistrov and MDZ. I have zero clue why anyone thinks WPG would throw in their 1st rounder.

Burmistrov has no where close to the value Del Zotto does?

Where did I say he has value?

 

[darko]

I think a guy like Del Zotto would have lot more value than some think.

 

[iamitter]

They've been rumored to be looking for a LHD who can play on the 2nd pairing. Hainsey is almost certainly leaving as a UFA.

There are a lot of interesting options at #13. Pulock is one and Ristolainen is another. Depending on which one Philly takes, we could end up with a good RH PMD.

Pulock's a nice (positionally) sound defenseman, too, who is also a good skater. Definitely worth a look, especially having his awesome shot.

 

[vetleh]

I can't see Clowe getting 4 million, iknow it is a bad FA year, but have many goals have he scored this season? 4? If he wants 4 I think we should pass and try to sign Bickell instead. Have a feeling Sather had a plan when he traded for Clowe.

Powe is too small. I miss the Prust/Rupp/Mitchell line from last year. He does a okey job as a PK, but nothing more. Want more jam from the bottom 3 guys.

Im actually not a big Zucc fan, I probably should be since I am from Norway, but don't think he fits well into Rangers. Maybe he will have really good season under a new coach and if he have a good off-season, depends on the alternative in my opinion.

I really can't see Mac getting 5 million, maybe if it is a long term contract, but thats more than Staal and Callahan. He has not shown that much offensively in my opinion to deserve that kind of contract.

Does anyone know anything about Conor Allen? Anyone think he will fight for a rooster spot this year?

Might end up buying out Richards and then have money to spend on Bickell and a vet defence who can hit the net on the PP. Which FA('s) do you guys want to bring in?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

wpg won't include their 13th overall with burmistrov for just del zotto.. I could see Postma though. wpg will use that pick to replace Burmi if moved

 

[RangerBoy]

Hainsey and Streit were big free agent signings in 2008. Both of them want one more big contract after getting a big contract in 2008. Hainsey was a big NHLPA hawk. That might come back to haunt him in free agency. The NHL had owners in the meetings with the PA last fall. The Winnipeg owner was part of the group. The feeling was they wanted someone to calm down Hainsey.

 

[Trxjw]

Pulock's a nice (positionally) sound defenseman, too, who is also a good skater. Definitely worth a look, especially having his awesome shot.

Certainly not knocking him. I happen to like Ristolainen a bit more because of his experience playing at a higher level and the edge he brings out now and then. I can't see the Flyers passing him up though.

 

[iamitter]

Certainly not knocking him. I happen to like Ristolainen a bit more because of his experience playing at a higher level and the edge he brings out now and then. I can't see the Flyers passing him up though.

You don't think the Flyers will opt for Nurse? Or do you think he'll be gone by then?

 

[iamitter]

New line-up:

Trades:

MDZ + Pyatt for Burmistrov + WPG 1st '13

Boyle for Hartikainen + EDM 2nd '13

Asham for 5th '13


Sign:
Nystrom (3 years @ 1.5 million/season)
Clowe (3 years @ 3.75 million/season)
Eminger (1 year @ .8 million)
Scuderi ( 2 years @ 2.75 million/season)
Gordon ( 2 years @ 1.4 million/season)

Line-up:

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Clowe-Brassard-Callahan
Hagelin-Burmistrov-Hartikainen
Nystrom-Gordon-Dorsett
Powe, Haley

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Stralman
Moore-Scuderi
Eminger

I guess I just don't see the point of trading Boyle. He basically brings everything Gordon does except he's a lot bigger and very well liked in the locker room. You get assets out of it, but I don't see Sather making a deal like that. It's what we should always do (use our power in FA to lure players, get assets for them in the future and move on - Gaborik was a good start), but I don't see it happening for Boyler.

 

[NYR Viper]

I guess I just don't see the point of trading Boyle. He basically brings everything Gordon does except he's a lot bigger and very well liked in the locker room. You get assets out of it, but I don't see Sather making a deal like that. It's what we should always do (use our power in FA to lure players, get assets for them in the future and move on - Gaborik was a good start), but I don't see it happening for Boyler.

The idea would be to add a player who is very similar to Boyle, for less money and recoup some assets for him in Hartikainen + 2nd

 

[Trxjw]

You don't think the Flyers will opt for Nurse? Or do you think he'll be gone by then?

I think he'll be gone, and I think Zadorov is too much of a project. Flyers need puck moving help on the back end and Ristolainen could possibly step into the NHL next season.

 

[RGY]

I guess I just don't see the point of trading Boyle. He basically brings everything Gordon does except he's a lot bigger and very well liked in the locker room. You get assets out of it, but I don't see Sather making a deal like that. It's what we should always do (use our power in FA to lure players, get assets for them in the future and move on - Gaborik was a good start), but I don't see it happening for Boyler.

I agree. There is no reason to trade Boyle. He played well at the end of the season and in the playoffs. He can be effective. Stick with him.

 

[NYR Viper]

I agree. There is no reason to trade Boyle. He played well at the end of the season and in the playoffs. He can be effective. Stick with him.

This is part of the problem though. People take small sample sizes and make rash decisions. Boyle was bad most of the season. He was good in the playoffs. MDZ was good most of the season, not very good in the playoffs.

Result? Trade MDZ, keep Boyle. Why?

 

[Thirty One]

This is part of the problem though. People take small sample sizes and make rash decisions. Boyle was bad most of the season. He was good in the playoffs. MDZ was good most of the season, not very good in the playoffs.

Result? Trade MDZ, keep Boyle. Why?

Also a small sample size.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

If we get Boyle to use the same effort he does in the playoffs over 82, he's a keeper

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

This is part of the problem though. People take small sample sizes and make rash decisions. Boyle was bad most of the season. He was good in the playoffs. MDZ was good most of the season, not very good in the playoffs.

Result? Trade MDZ, keep Boyle. Why?

Mdz might bring back a skilled forward and we need more O. no one dumping him for anything

 

[NYR Viper]

Also a small sample size.

40 games is a small sample size?

What about the year prior? Also too small?

 

[NYR Viper]

If we get Boyle to use the same effort he does in the playoffs over 82, he's a keeper

He has proven not to be able to do that.

Mdz might bring back a skilled forward and we need more O. no one dumping him for anything

Correct, many people here are saying he 'sucks'. Not saying you are, but that is part of the issue. People are okay giving away a 22 year old top-4 d-man mainly because people think he is redundant/expendable. If that is the case, then wouldn't a 1.7 million dollar 4th liner also be redundant/expendable if the return is available?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Im not moving mdz unless we get a top lw/rw/c in return for top 6. He's just off a 40+ point +36 just a year ago who is only 22

 

[Raspewtin]

not on board with trading Boyle. I believe he'll have a rebound season and he's a great PKer and faceoff man, and with a Boyd Gordon signing we'll have a better faceoff team and a more rounded PK. He's a great locker room guy too. Just don't see why we should trade him.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

If we get Boyle to use the same effort he does in the playoffs over 82, he's a keeper

he does this twice a month.. not consistant enough.. if he was not so big, he would still be in the AHL... i say trade him and get a cheaper younger player.. have a young player like Lindberg get a chance to replace Boyle... his time has come and gone here... he has a contract of 1.7 per year.. what will his next contract be?? 2.3 per year.. NYR should trade him now while he has value rather than let him go for nothing as an UFA... send him out west or to a team that needs a player like him. rangers need more speed from their bottom lines. Boyle is too slow for this team.. NYR isnt a fast team.. Rangers need to get quicker in the offseason... adding a guy like Stralberg, Nystrom can help...