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If Edmonton liked Del Zotto enough to move Yakupov for him, I would pack DZ's bags and carry him to Edmonton.
Speculation: 2013 Offseason Thread Part III: Free Agents Suck
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LaffyTaffyNYR
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Provided, of course, that we're still going to be in a defensive scheme next season. Renney's and Tortorella's systems had a lot to do with how good our GAA was... of course, not taking anything at all away from Lundqvist. He's THE most important part of that statement.
But I agree with this generally. What I had been worried about in previous years through this year about trading a defenseman wasn't that we weren't going to have a big name on the third pair with an injury, but whether or not we were going to have an NHL defenseman or not. Strudwick was a serviceable player. I worried more about seeing a guy like Parlett up with the team. But the Gaborik trade changed combined with the continued development of McIlrath has changed all of that for me. I think now might be a very good time to look at a D for F trade.
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I am all about moving one of MDZ or Staal. They have good defensive depth. Time to upgrade the offense. Preferably they would add a good young player in return for the dman being moved.
I think they will bring in a UFA dman as a replacement for right now until McIlrath is ready which won't be long. Scuderi?
Rebuild the depth forwards needs to be a priority. Dorsett is a good start. One of Kreider, Miller, Lindberg, Thomas, Fast, Thomas should make the team. Leave a spot open for the young guys to battle for.
Go out and sign Nystrom to upgrade the speed and feistiness in the bottom 6. He would help upgrade the PK as well.
Boyd Gordon would be a very good addition as the 4th line C. Great on face offs, strong defensively, adds some offense.
If there is a team very interested in Boyle to the point they are willing to move a good young forward + a pick then pull the trigger. Hartikainen + 2nd 13 type of deal.
See who is bought out. Wisniewski? LeCavalier? Erhoff?
They need to add a top 9 LW. See what Clowe wants. No more than 3 or 4 years. Maybe Carolina is willing to keep a portion of Ruutu's salary.
There need to be changes. Add size, grit and speed. This years team was too slow and passive. They will never be the most skilled team, so they need to crank up the intensity.
I think they will bring in a UFA dman as a replacement for right now until McIlrath is ready which won't be long. Scuderi?
Rebuild the depth forwards needs to be a priority. Dorsett is a good start. One of Kreider, Miller, Lindberg, Thomas, Fast, Thomas should make the team. Leave a spot open for the young guys to battle for.
Go out and sign Nystrom to upgrade the speed and feistiness in the bottom 6. He would help upgrade the PK as well.
Boyd Gordon would be a very good addition as the 4th line C. Great on face offs, strong defensively, adds some offense.
If there is a team very interested in Boyle to the point they are willing to move a good young forward + a pick then pull the trigger. Hartikainen + 2nd 13 type of deal.
See who is bought out. Wisniewski? LeCavalier? Erhoff?
They need to add a top 9 LW. See what Clowe wants. No more than 3 or 4 years. Maybe Carolina is willing to keep a portion of Ruutu's salary.
There need to be changes. Add size, grit and speed. This years team was too slow and passive. They will never be the most skilled team, so they need to crank up the intensity.
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This is a bad hockey team.
If Colorado drafts Jones, Sather should put in a call to see if Barrie or Elliot is available. They'll have a glut of right-handed d-men.
LaffyTaffyNYR
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honestly to me, looked like a tan unmotivated not wanting to play for the coach anymore.. btm 6 does need upgrading though. best way to do that is add a top talent and push others down
NYR Viper
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I think they have 4 guys already. Nash, Callahan, Stepan and Brassard.
It's hard to add a top6 forward. Will Hagelin continue to develop? He is a good support top 6er right now.
Kreider is the other top 9 LWer most likely. Clowe would be nice as he can play in the top 6 as a support player and play as a 3rd liner and make a difference. Not sure what he will get contract wise.
Callahan, Dorsett and Nash on the RW. They need another top 9 RWer. Fast? Miller? Hrivik?
They have no 3rd line center. Are they okay having 3 rookie forwards in the lineup? Kreider, Miller/Fast/Hrivik, Lindberg/Miller. I doubt it.
I would rather see those young guys develop than watch Asham, Powe and Pyatt play another game.
The UFA crop this year sucks.
It would probably cost us too much anyways. No need to gut the team even more.
PlamsUnlimited
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The more I think about it the more I want him gone. His wheels is pretty much the only thing he's got.
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Of the two I'd move Del Zotto. He's the more redundant piece. Staal is a top 10 defensive defenseman in the league. If he can get back to close to where he was at before the eye injury, he should be kept.
Yes. I've been pimping Scuderi here for a couple weeks. If he wants more than his current contract (3.5 million), he's not an option though.
I would say Kreider makes the team. One of the alleged reasons Torts got fired was his mishandling of Kreider between the NHL and AHL. It was essentially a wasted year of development for him. Either keep him in the A and give him top line minutes, or keep him with the big club and go through the growing pains. I'm going to be very disappointed if all he ends up as is a 3rd/4th line speedster. He should be and can be more than that.
One or both of Miller and Lindberg will be on the team by Christmas. I wouldn't hand either a spot right out of training camp.
Thomas and Hrivik can both be dark horses. Thomas' ticket to the NHL is his big shot. Set him up at the left circle and let him rip one timers like Stamkos does. Of course, this is dependent on the new coach implementing an umbrella strategy on the power play.
I wouldn't discount the possibility of Bourque making the team out of camp for a 4th line role. He's speedy and can PK. Injuries are a worry though.
I wouldn't mind this, but it would defeat the purpose of letting the kids battle it out for spots.
Ditto as Nystrom. Though if it came between the two, I'd add Gordon. Gordon's an elite PK'er and is excellent on faceoffs.
I'd only trade Boyle if Gordon is picked up in free agency. A lot of teams called about Boyle this past deadline. His playoff performance will only raise his stock. If you can get a deal like above, you have to do it. Essentially a Boyle replacement AND a early 2nd rounder? Take it and run.
I'm interested to see the amnesty buyouts this offseason. I'm intrigued by adding Briere for the 2nd line, but injuries worry me.
I'd offer Clowe his salary from his previous contract for three years max. If he wants more, adios. I'm with you on most of your points though
GregSirico
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I had a feeling Edmonton would move either Eberle or Yakupov. I actually think we make perfect trading partners.
Winnipeg needs another left-handed shooting D. They will not re-sign Ron Hainsey. Toby Enstrom is their other lefty along with Mark Stuart who is a third pair D. Alexander Burmistrov. His corsi numbers are apparently good. If you can understand them. He scored 13 goals in his 2nd NHL season as a 20 year old. Burmistrov and the Jets coach Claude Noel have a little Chris Kreider and John Tortorella thing going on. He plays a good two way game. Responsible defensively. Has played some left wing. A natural center. Blake Wheeler is another right winger. The Rangers liked him in 2008. Too bad he is not a left winger. Wheeler is a group II with arb rights. One year from group III. Matt Keator client. Avoid. The Rangers would need another asset in the deal. The Rangers would need to be convinced Burmistrov can fulfill his potential in a new environment. Just one possibility.
. He scored 13 goals in his 2nd NHL season as a 20 year old. Burmistrov and the Jets coach Claude Noel have a little Chris Kreider and John Tortorella thing going on. He plays a good two way game. Responsible defensively. Has played some left wing. A natural center. Blake Wheeler is another right winger. The Rangers liked him in 2008. Too bad he is not a left winger. Wheeler is a group II with arb rights. One year from group III. Matt Keator client. Avoid. The Rangers would need another asset in the deal. The Rangers would need to be convinced Burmistrov can fulfill his potential in a new environment. Just one possibility.
LaffyTaffyNYR
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I'm really high on Burmistrov. I feel he's about to break out. would love to snatch him up for 2 or 3c..
BBKers
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Winnipeg needs another left-handed shooting D. They will not re-sign Ron Hainsey. Toby Enstrom is their other lefty along with Mark Stuart who is a third pair D. Alexander Burmistrov. His corsi numbers are apparently good. If you can understand them
Wheeler is a good player. But another righty. Maybe putting Nash on the left side would be possible?
Hagelin, Del Zotto for Wheeler, Buff might be appealing at first thought.
A top 9 consisting of:
Nash - Stepan - Wheeler
Clowe - Brassard - MZA
Kreider - free agent (Weiss?) - Callahan
Looks pretty darned good if Buff is on the 3rd pairing with Moore.
Cally gets lots of PP and PK time as well...
NYR 2013-2014
FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derek Stepan ($3.800m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Loui Eriksson ($4.250m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.500m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Derick Brassard ($3.200m)
Ryane Clowe ($2.800m) / J.T. Miller ($1.244m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Oscar Lindberg ($0.760m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($3.600m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
John Moore ($0.965m) / Conor Allen ($1.775m)
Steve Eminger ($0.750m) /
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,219,167; BONUSES: $2,212,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $293,333
What do you guys think? Don't know if Conor Allen is NHL ready, but he has a pretty high salary so can be replaced with a UFA vet. Lindberg can be replaced by Powe, but really dislike Powe! Loui Eriksson would be a dream, maybe Del Zotto + picks will do it!? Think Richards will have a good season, he is a competitive guy!
FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derek Stepan ($3.800m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Loui Eriksson ($4.250m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.500m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Derick Brassard ($3.200m)
Ryane Clowe ($2.800m) / J.T. Miller ($1.244m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Oscar Lindberg ($0.760m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($3.600m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
John Moore ($0.965m) / Conor Allen ($1.775m)
Steve Eminger ($0.750m) /
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,219,167; BONUSES: $2,212,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $293,333
What do you guys think? Don't know if Conor Allen is NHL ready, but he has a pretty high salary so can be replaced with a UFA vet. Lindberg can be replaced by Powe, but really dislike Powe! Loui Eriksson would be a dream, maybe Del Zotto + picks will do it!? Think Richards will have a good season, he is a competitive guy!
emodwarf
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Clowe will get a lot more than 2.8 - more like 4. Maybe more in a thin FA year.
Why do you dislike Powe? Lack of offense? Concussion history?
Stepan Brassard Burmistrov and Lindberg as the 4 centers with Boyle either moving to wing, taking important faceoffs or traded... i think Lindberg makes the team out of camp.. he has played in a good league in sweden..
No Zucc or Powe? Mac is going to make a lot more than 3.8 per year, probably closer to 4.5/5 per year. If Clowe is a fourth line guy he can't make 3.5 or 4 million. That's were he will be IMO.
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We don't need the numbers to prove this to us, but these tweets from Rob Vollman reinforce how important it is to lock up this crop of RFA's (Stepan, McDonagh, Hagelin, Zuccarello).
https://twitter.com/robvollmanNHL/status/342132579622866944
https://twitter.com/robvollmanNHL/status/342132808602501120
https://twitter.com/robvollmanNHL/status/342133218830594048
https://twitter.com/robvollmanNHL/status/342135016182149120
https://twitter.com/robvollmanNHL/status/342138531931619328
https://twitter.com/robvollmanNHL/status/342132579622866944
https://twitter.com/robvollmanNHL/status/342132808602501120
https://twitter.com/robvollmanNHL/status/342133218830594048
https://twitter.com/robvollmanNHL/status/342135016182149120
https://twitter.com/robvollmanNHL/status/342138531931619328
Winnipeg needs another left-handed shooting D. They will not re-sign Ron Hainsey. Toby Enstrom is their other lefty along with Mark Stuart who is a third pair D. Alexander Burmistrov. His corsi numbers are apparently good. If you can understand them
Jets have a glut of RHD as well. They could possibly send a guy like Postma or Redmond back in a deal with Burmistrov. Burmi and Postma as a package interests me, or Burmi and the 13th overall.
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Burmistrov and Pulock at 13 would be a huge coup for the Rangers, IMO. I know I know it's another dman. But Pulock looks like the kind of RH PP QB with a big shot that all teams covet. Good hitter too.
Do the Jets really need Del Zotto though? Don't see a huge fit.
Do the Jets really need Del Zotto though? Don't see a huge fit.
so if they sign depth guys like a Gordon or a Nystrom who goes?
Stepan, Brassard are locks at C. Richards likely gone via buyout. I imagine they keep Boyle and use him properly now as a 4th line C, pker that can move up in games later on for his Defensive play. I am hoping Lindberg surprises in camp but cant bank on that so do they get another C? I would gamble on Weiss. I think he has Ranger written all over him and would be a good 1-2 punch with Stepan
LW, Nash, I bring back Clowe, Hagelin is a perfect 3rd line wing, then Powe/Asham rotation. That's my ideal LW. Eventually Fasth comes in too but no rush
RW, Callahan, I give Zuke and Kreider a battle for 2nd line minutes. if need be but Dorsett needs some 3rd line minutes to go with his 4th line duties. again depends on who they are playing.
I really dont see the point for Pyatt anymore so I hope that contract can be moved for a pick. But again I dont see how they are going to add much via Free Agency as they have enough bodies and prospects
Stepan, Brassard are locks at C. Richards likely gone via buyout. I imagine they keep Boyle and use him properly now as a 4th line C, pker that can move up in games later on for his Defensive play. I am hoping Lindberg surprises in camp but cant bank on that so do they get another C? I would gamble on Weiss. I think he has Ranger written all over him and would be a good 1-2 punch with Stepan
LW, Nash, I bring back Clowe, Hagelin is a perfect 3rd line wing, then Powe/Asham rotation. That's my ideal LW. Eventually Fasth comes in too but no rush
RW, Callahan, I give Zuke and Kreider a battle for 2nd line minutes. if need be but Dorsett needs some 3rd line minutes to go with his 4th line duties. again depends on who they are playing.
I really dont see the point for Pyatt anymore so I hope that contract can be moved for a pick. But again I dont see how they are going to add much via Free Agency as they have enough bodies and prospects
They've been rumored to be looking for a LHD who can play on the 2nd pairing. Hainsey is almost certainly leaving as a UFA.
There are a lot of interesting options at #13. Pulock is one and Ristolainen is another. Depending on which one Philly takes, we could end up with a good RH PMD.
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