Speculation: 2013 Offseason Thread Part III: Free Agents Suck

[NewLife]

If Yakupov indeed is in play I hope Sather is all in for it, a player like that early in his career don't come around the block very often and we need one in that mold.

Does he have any golf buddies who still are in the organization?

 

[Kershaw]

it doesn't matter, you still don't win with 1 or 2 lines.

Moving depth for one of the most overpaid and overrated players like Nash is detrimental.

Moving depth for a proven winner, MVP caliber player in the peak of his career is far from that.

 

[*Bob Richards*]

Why would we move anything for Malkin anyway? He's a UFA after next season.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Would not be surprised at all if Malkin didn't re-sign.

It would be...glorious.

Holy ****, looking at CapGeek, the Penguins have 5 players under contract past next season, and only one of them (only roster player, that is) is an RFA (Sutter). And Martin/Fleury are UFAs the year after.

http://capgeek.com/penguins/

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Why would we move anything for Malkin anyway? He's a UFA after next season.

this.. he won't sign here anyway though

 

[Riverdale]

Would not be surprised at all if Malkin didn't re-sign.

It would be...glorious.

Holy ****, looking at CapGeek, the Penguins have 5 players under contract past next season, and only one of them (only roster player, that is) is an RFA (Sutter). And Martin/Fleury are UFAs the year after.

http://capgeek.com/penguins/

Especially considering how Pens fans are 100% convinced there is no way in hell he would leave.

I wouldn't be surprised. What is he going to be second fiddle his whole career?

 

[I Eat Crow]

Malkin will be an interesting situation. It's going to be 100% up to him, it will depend on if he wants to win cups or get paid. Cap be damned, if he hit free agency, I'd throw the max allowable contract at him. 7 years, 70 million. However, say goodbye to Callahan or even Girardi if that happens.

If Yakupov is indeed on the market, the Rangers need to be all over that too. He's not a generational talent like Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin or Stamkos, but I see him putting up similar numbers as, say, Patrick Kane. He scored 18 goals in a lockout shortened season, on pace for roughly 33 goals...as a rookie. Package starts at Del Zotto, Miller, and another non blue chip prospect of Edmonton's choosing. Build from there

 

[Thirty One]

I see Letang being the guy the Rangers really target.

 

[beastly115]

Edmonton will want McDonagh for Yakupov.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I see Letang being the guy the Rangers really target.

Letang would be a coup. He'd fix the power play right away. He doesn't have an overly hard shot, but it's a sneaky one that gets through to the goalie more often than not

Edmonton will want McDonagh for Yakupov.

Is that just opinion or is there info to back it up? That's a non starter if it has legitimacy. While the values are similar, McDonagh is part of our core and will be very difficult to pry away, while Yakupov is supposedly on the block for depth and help on D. Big difference.

 

[NYRFAN218]

Would not be surprised at all if Malkin didn't re-sign.

It would be...glorious.

Holy ****, looking at CapGeek, the Penguins have 5 players under contract past next season, and only one of them (only roster player, that is) is an RFA (Sutter). And Martin/Fleury are UFAs the year after.

http://capgeek.com/penguins/

Not much better than us. We have 4 and one of them is Brad Richards

 

[Fitzy]

They want McDonagh, they'd have to offer Hall. That's about how it goes.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I see Letang being the guy the Rangers really target.

Yes please.

 

[bernmeister]

A team that finished 6th in the conference and lost in the second round needs to make some changes. Wow. What a bold, provocative belief. Please tell us more; preferably how Paul Postma will factor in.

Since you asked, I will.

Postma is an option, nothing less and nothing more.
He could be as high as a 4, but would certainly have to be third pair for starters.
Obviously we get him for PP.

Since you learned the lesson about no sacred cows, and coke for pepsi usually does not work, I gather you realize we should expect modest overpay.

If that is still cheap enough, fine. If not, move on.

Was that too hard to understand?

 

[The Gloaming]

Yes, Malkin + Nash = instant cup.
See: Malkin + Neal (and Crosby)

we don't need Malkin. We need 4 great lines

You also have to keep in mind,

Lundqvist>>>>>>>>>>>Vokoun>>>>>>>>>>MAF

And our defense is better defensively than theirs.

 

[bernmeister]

huge fan, first post here... i think we have a need for a goal scorer and dz seems to be the guy to move, to me cally and hagelin are best on the third line and clowe is not worth another 2nd rd pick. we also should keep in mimnd our depth on d is not as good as everyone says as it hurt us the past 2 years. also need a 3c if miller or lindberg is not ready but id like to give them a shot. would like nystrom for the 4th line. i do not think dz gets us edm 1st but maybe we look at a trade like dz miller and next years 1st for bobby ryan and sheldon souray? would then need a 3c.

kreider stepan nash
zucc brassard ryan
hagelin callahan
nystrom boyle dorsett

mcd girardi
staal stralman
moore souray
Mclrath??

hank
biron

Overall a very good first effort, IMO. Welcome to the boards.

We don't have to nit pick too much (beware, there are some that do!) but I'm not sure Ryan will be cheap enough, and Souray has lost so much foot speed, for a D, he could only be a PP specialist, maybe. Besides a roster spot, think he might cost to much.

 

[bernmeister]

Malkin will be an interesting situation. It's going to be 100% up to him, it will depend on if he wants to win cups or get paid. Cap be damned, if he hit free agency, I'd throw the max allowable contract at him. 7 years, 70 million. However, say goodbye to Callahan or even Girardi if that happens.

If Yakupov is indeed on the market, the Rangers need to be all over that too. He's not a generational talent like Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin or Stamkos, but I see him putting up similar numbers as, say, Patrick Kane. He scored 18 goals in a lockout shortened season, on pace for roughly 33 goals...as a rookie. Package starts at Del Zotto, Miller, and another non blue chip prospect of Edmonton's choosing. Build from there

Bold = to minimize that, start as I've recommended moving vets for high ranked prospects/ELC smaller pay.

Underline = EDM will want more.

 

[bernmeister]

I see Letang being the guy the Rangers really target.

Yes, big time.
And I see possibility that Letang going might = enough financing to retain Malkin, who is not only valuable in his own right, but is insurance if Crosby goes down for good.

Letang would be ideal tutor for Skjei.

 

[Kershaw]

Is that just opinion or is there info to back it up? That's a non starter if it has legitimacy. While the values are similar, McDonagh is part of our core and will be very difficult to pry away, while Yakupov is supposedly on the block for depth and help on D. Big difference.

What is it based on? Well for one, Yakupov was just recently a #1 overall pick in a draft and #1 picks in today's day and age guarantee a superstar player, especially one with Yakupov's combination of offensive talent and vision for the game. The Rangers only superstar player is Henrik Lundqvist. Moving a non-elite player like McDonagh for an elite caliber talent on their ELC is the move to go IMO.

 

[bernmeister]

What is it based on? Well for one, Yakupov was just recently a #1 overall pick in a draft and #1 picks in today's day and age guarantee a superstar player, especially one with Yakupov's combination of offensive talent and vision for the game. The Rangers only superstar player is Henrik Lundqvist. Moving a non-elite player like McDonagh for an elite caliber talent on their ELC is the move to go IMO.

I agree as to modus operandi on upgrading talent.
I disagree in that I consider McDonagh already superior bordering pre-elite.

Yakupov remains to be seen on less than a full year, but he's in that overall ballpark.

But no sacred cows.
I move McD if he gets enough return.

This is why I am pushing McD for current 1st = McKinnon + MDZ for Siemens as part of the package.

We have improvement in cap, and that helps us fill our needs w/short term signings.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

malkin hank Nash? yeah no.. Bruins way, not pittsburgh.. 4 solid lines, shut down d, goal tending. we would have none of that giving max to malkin with Nash and resigning hank

 

[I Eat Crow]

What is it based on? Well for one, Yakupov was just recently a #1 overall pick in a draft and #1 picks in today's day and age guarantee a superstar player, especially one with Yakupov's combination of offensive talent and vision for the game. The Rangers only superstar player is Henrik Lundqvist. Moving a non-elite player like McDonagh for an elite caliber talent on their ELC is the move to go IMO.

I was legitimately curious to see if there wa a snippet that stated Edmonton was targeting McDonagh.

I agree that Yakupov's value is tremendous, but I'm with Bern in saying that McD is a near elite defenseman. If he can consistently add 30 points a season, I'd say he'd cross th realm of elite.

All that said, MacTavish would be amazingly stupid to move Yakupov. If he can be had for depth to build around Hall, RNH, and Eberle, you have to do everything you can to acquire a talent like Yakupov.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

would not move mcd for yak esp because of staal injury and/or impending FA

 

[Kershaw]

I agree as to modus operandi on upgrading talent.
I disagree in that I consider McDonagh already superior bordering pre-elite.

Yakupov remains to be seen on less than a full year, but he's in that overall ballpark.

But no sacred cows.
I move McD if he gets enough return.

This is why I am pushing McD for current 1st = McKinnon + MDZ for Siemens as part of the package.

We have improvement in cap, and that helps us fill our needs w/short term signings.

Regardless, Yakupov and MacKinnon are comparable players. And I would move anyone not named Lundqvist for either of those two players.

 

[Kershaw]

I was legitimately curious to see if there wa a snippet that stated Edmonton was targeting McDonagh.

McDonagh has never been on the open market. Regardless, Garrioch is a very hit and miss type source. I believe he is throwing **** at the wall to get ratings.

I agree that Yakupov's value is tremendous, but I'm with Bern in saying that McD is a near elite defenseman. If he can consistently add 30 points a season, I'd say he'd cross th realm of elite.

Easier said than done. Do you mean add 30 points to his current production level? Well yeah, he'd be a 60 point all around defender. But it's pretty unrealistic to expect a 30 pt jump in production.