2013 NHL Draft Thread III (6/30, 3PM EDT)

[Jackets16]

Thanks for the feedback X & RD. You can never have too many good D prospects right?

As i read thru the various lists it seems like more D are moving up while not many, if any O are. So that leads me to believe that we may be able to get a guy who was previously thought to be unavailable at 14 Shinkaruk or Domi? And it might mean that better O picks will be there at 19 & 27 also.

Or we could jump on the bandwagon and add some more D.

BTW, does anyone know what time the draft starts? I imagine it can't be any later than noon and am hoping it would be 9 or 10?

You're welcome. I would prefer us to draft at least 2 forwards, but I am a BPA guy. If the BPA happens to be D, I am okay with that.

 

[grindline]

Oh yeah. 8pm in Britain means I can watch my first ever live draft. I'm genuinely excited.

 

[Sore Loser]

The Price of #1?

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/story/2013/06/15/sp-nhl-hotstove.html

According to Hockey Night in Canada’s Elliotte Friedman, the Flames offered Colorado all of their first-round picks (sixth, 22nd, 28th) for the Avalanche’s top overall selection.

Something to really chew on here. If there isn't much separation between Jones and MacKinnon, and this sort of offer is being turned down ... then I think this pretty much eliminates us from contention of either pick; unless we're willing to throw in not only all three first rounders, but also a roster player. For me, that simply isn't worth it...

That, or the Avs are still trying to make the Flames suffer for that offer sheet to Ryan O'Reilly.

 

[Xoggz22]

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/story/2013/06/15/sp-nhl-hotstove.html



Something to really chew on here. If there isn't much separation between Jones and MacKinnon, and this sort of offer is being turned down ... then I think this pretty much eliminates us from contention of either pick; unless we're willing to throw in not only all three first rounders, but also a roster player. For me, that simply isn't worth it...

That, or the Avs are still trying to make the Flames suffer for that offer sheet to Ryan O'Reilly.

Nail, meet hammer!

 

[Sore Loser]

Nail, meet hammer!

If so, then it's a pathetic move ... even though I'm a huge fan of Seth Jones, getting the chance to still come away with, likely, Lindholm, and two other good prospects is something to really ponder.

 

[Jackets16]

It is all about what each teams needs are. Do you need help in a lot of areas or do you need one big time player? IMO, Calgary should be happen Colorado turned their offer down. They need to keep the picks, IMO.

 

[Sore Loser]

It is all about what each teams needs are. Do you need help in a lot of areas or do you need one big time player? IMO, Calgary should be happen Colorado turned their offer down. They need to keep the picks, IMO.

You may be right ... Colorado has some depth in their prospect pool, while Calgary needs to rebuild from the ground up. However, drafting Nathan MacKinnon and putting him on a line with Sven Baertschi would be a great way to start a quick rebuild.

The Jackets are in a similar circumstance to Colorado ... plenty of second/third/fourth line prospects in the works, but needing some top end talent to round it out. Hence, we could benefit more from dealing a few second tier pieces for a chance at a top end guy. If the cost continues to soar though, it may be time to sit and wait.

 

[Cash for Nash]

You may be right ... Colorado has some depth in their prospect pool, while Calgary needs to rebuild from the ground up. However, drafting Nathan MacKinnon and putting him on a line with Sven Baertschi would be a great way to start a quick rebuild.

The Jackets are in a similar circumstance to Colorado ... plenty of second/third/fourth line prospects in the works, but needing some top end talent to round it out. Hence, we could benefit more from dealing a few second tier pieces for a chance at a top end guy. If the cost continues to soar though, it may be time to sit and wait.

Up front, Colorado has plenty of top end young talent (Duchene, Landeskog,etc)

They need defense and they'll get it (Seth Jones). If they take another forward first overall they're knuckleheads.

 

[Sore Loser]

Up front, Colorado has plenty of top end young talent (Duchene, Landeskog,etc)

They need defense and they'll get it (Seth Jones). If they take another forward first overall they're knuckleheads.

It's pretty straight forward that Jones fills the biggest need for them, it's no secret ... but you're talking about a team with a big Quebec establishment, with two high quality Quebec scoring forwards available. I think it's still up in the air for them, more so than they may admit.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Ugh, I have to miss the draft and record it and watch later.

 

[EDM]

Colorado turned down all of Calgary's three first round picks? Sorry, that is too rich for my blood.

 

[major major]

Colorado turned down all of Calgary's three first round picks? Sorry, that is too rich for my blood.

Of course they turned it down. Chances are Jones will be far and away the best of those three players, and if he's suiting up for the Flames and shutting down the Avs for two decades? That's a good way to ruin an exec's career, and the trade would be talked about (mourned) the whole time.

And if the trade doesn't happen and one of those players turns out to be better than Jones, it's just trivia.

 

[Fro]

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[HoldFast13]

2003 Mock Draft.....they had us taking Sutter instead Zherdev. If only....
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey/news/2003/06/03/mock_draft/

 

[InjuredChoker]

2003 Mock Draft.....they had us taking Sutter instead Zherdev. If only....
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey/news/2003/06/03/mock_draft/

Jessiman came onto scouts' radar screens with a surprising freshman season at Dartmouth, where he put up 47 points in 34 games. His skating ability and hands are impressive for a player of his size, and he could eventually pair up with Brad Isbister to give the Oilers a massive winger tandem on one of their top two lines.

lol..

 

[Xoggz22]

With the news/smoke screen the Avs are putting out there that they are most likely taking a forward in the draft does anyone think it's possible that Jones becomes a faller this year? Not far mind you, but the kid was pegged #1 for a while now and I could actually see a realistic scenario where he dropped to Carolina at #5. Personally, I don't think he falls past #2 but I could envision a scenario where the draft goes something like:

1) Colorado - McKinnon
2) Florida - Drouin (Most likely Jones but....)
3) Tampa - Nichushkin
4) Nashville - Barkov
5) Carolina - Jones

For me that's the clear top 5 regardless of order and I truly think it will be McKinnon/Jones as 1/2 (regardless of order). The only reason I bring up this scenario is because I think anything like that would eliminate Carolina from moving out of the #5 spot unless it was to swap with Edmonton for a nice asset. At which point they could trade down again and grab more assets. I don't see them passing on Jones if this unlikely scenario unfolded so it's all moot.

As for the CBJ, so much floating around (in my head and on the world wide web thingy) that I have no idea what to predict aside from I think they show some serious aggressive moves and make a statement.

 

[Fro]

lots of smoke saying Barkov is the AVs choice at #1...if so guessing Jarmo goes hard to Tampa or Nashville to move up...

 

[Jackets16]

It sure would be interesting to see where Jones would go if he didn't go 1st or 2nd. I think some team(s) would try to trade up to get him if he doesn't go 1st or 2nd.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Jones is still going 1, just like Yakupov still went 1 when all the Murray smokescreens were around and just like Tavares went 1 when all the Hedman/Duchene smokescreens were around.

 

[CBJx614]

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Jones is still going 1, just like Yakupov still went 1 when all the Murray smokescreens were around and just like Tavares went 1 when all the Hedman/Duchene smokescreens were around.

Whether it's the Avs taking him first or somebody else, he's still going first. I agree.

 

[Xoggz22]

Jones is still going 1, just like Yakupov still went 1 when all the Murray smokescreens were around and just like Tavares went 1 when all the Hedman/Duchene smokescreens were around.

Actually, for the last 2 years it's been McKinnon listed as the top player in the draft. Jones has only been put up this high for 4 months or so. Not saying Jones isn't worth the top pick and maybe it is the smokescreen, however, McKinnon was the choice until somewhat recently. I'd take either one and be happy.

 

[JacketsFanWest]

Jones is still going 1, just like Yakupov still went 1 when all the Murray smokescreens were around and just like Tavares went 1 when all the Hedman/Duchene smokescreens were around.

Every year the consensus #1 at the beginning of the season gets criticized and nitpicked. This season that went even further with MacKinnon getting knocked off by Jones, especially when MacKinnon wasn't quite as dominant as he could have been and then wasn't anything special at the WJC. Everyone started jumping on the Jones bandwagon, but the Memorial Cup may have changed that.

I like the idea that Avs/Sakic are after Barkov. He's very Sundin-esque. Next they need to do is figure out a way to trade down that involves them also getting Elias Lindholm (Peter Forsberg).

 

[Sore Loser]

Do we really see Tampa Bay not taking Seth Jones if he falls to them? There has been some speculation that Tampa Bay may trade down 3-4 spots and draft Darnell Nurse, because they have a greater need on defense than at forward.

Sorry to ruin everyone's hopes, but Seth Jones will go top-3.

 

[NotWendell]

If I can find two tickets, I'm going to Jersey.

 

[InjuredChoker]

Do we really see Tampa Bay not taking Seth Jones if he falls to them? There has been some speculation that Tampa Bay may trade down 3-4 spots and draft Darnell Nurse, because they have a greater need on defense than at forward.

Sorry to ruin everyone's hopes, but Seth Jones will go top-3.

Speculation by whom?

For what it's worth

The Tampa Bay Lightning, for example, are drafting third overall, and clearly their number one need is a defenseman. However, GM Steve Yzerman says he doesn’t believe in drafting on need only.

“We believe in taking the best player available,” Yzerman said after the GMs meeting. “That’s been our philosophy. Your needs change from year to year. When these kids are available to play, your needs may be entirely different for various reasons. So that’s a rule of thumb we’ve had.”

Would he move his pick up or down?

“We’re quite comfortable with the third pick, but we’re open to any scenario which we think makes us a better organization,” Yzerman said.

I definitely agree that Seth goes in top3.. imo he should be #1 but we'll see. Apparently GMs are little afraid bc of history here.