2013 NHL Draft Thread III (6/30, 3PM EDT)

[Xoggz22]

Sorry if this has already been mentioned in the thread, I didn't see it right at the beginning of it, but what channel (aside from NHL Network), if any, is broadcasting the first round?

I believe it will be on NBC Sports network. The later hours I think it might switch to NHL network to capture the HNIC feed....

 

[Samkow]

I believe it will be on NBC Sports network. The later hours I think it might switch to NHL network to capture the HNIC feed....

Doing it all in one day sounds rough. But hopefully, it'll mean the 1st round won't take 3-4 hours like it did last year.

 

[Mayor Bee]

Doing it all in one day sounds rough. But hopefully, it'll mean the 1st round won't take 3-4 hours like it did last year.

Until it was held here, it was always on one day. I have many memories of the one-day drafts.

Most prominent is 1999, when after the series of trades involving the top 4 picks were announced, I was actually standing up and undoubtedly acting like the guy at the end of an NBA bench after a dunk.

 

[Stretch Factor]

I honestly can't believe that even gets into a fans head. I said a hundred times in the offseason that if Bobrovsky gad starter minutes again he would shine. And he did. And now he hasn't been locked up in a deal with the playoffs still going on and people have resorted to asking what he's worth in a trade.. If the season was a week away and we couldn't comes to terms okay I see it... But the playoffs are still going on.

I LOVE the Blue Jackets... I absolutely hate our fans though.

Wow, hate is a pretty strong emotion to feel about fans who are having a meaningless discussion on a discussion board in early summer when our team isn't playing. Maybe a little perspective is in order.

In my original post, I stated this wouldn't be a popular idea and I was throwing it out for discussion. I thought it would be cool to see what people thought. Discussion ensued. Now apparently those of us who would CONSIDER offers for Bob are hated.

My willingness to listen to offers for Bob, has nothing to do with Bob (the player) or his contract. It has everything to do with my belief that goalies (in general) can't be trusted to earn big multi-year contracts and a franchise center is far more valuable than a goalie long term.

 

[Fro]

the Coach and CBJ Prospects give their Mock Draft Opinions...

http://www.theunionblue.com/2013/06/12/the-union-blue-2013-mock-draft/

 

[Jackets16]

the Coach and CBJ Prospects give their Mock Draft Opinions...

http://www.theunionblue.com/2013/06/12/the-union-blue-2013-mock-draft/

I like the 3 players we get in CBJ Prospects mock draft more.

 

[major major]

I like the 3 players we get in CBJ Prospects mock draft more.

The 3 players? He picked for CBJ at all 30 positions, whereas Coach did a standard mock draft.

Coach had us going with Domi, Morrissey and Compher, and at 14-19-27 CBJProspects picked Mantha, Gauthier, and Compher. But (!) his list is not a mock draft! The three players CBJProspects would have picked if every other team would have picked as they did in Coach's mock were Domi, Mantha, and Mueller. That's a great trio I think. Huge upside all around.

 

[Timeless Winter]

I honestly can't believe that even gets into a fans head. I said a hundred times in the offseason that if Bobrovsky gad starter minutes again he would shine. And he did. And now he hasn't been locked up in a deal with the playoffs still going on and people have resorted to asking what he's worth in a trade.. If the season was a week away and we couldn't comes to terms okay I see it... But the playoffs are still going on.

I LOVE the Blue Jackets... I absolutely hate our fans though.

5 years ago you guys were saying the same thing about Brule.

 

[Jackets16]

The 3 players? He picked for CBJ at all 30 positions, whereas Coach did a standard mock draft.

Coach had us going with Domi, Morrissey and Compher, and at 14-19-27 CBJProspects picked Mantha, Gauthier, and Compher. But (!) his list is not a mock draft! The three players CBJProspects would have picked if every other team would have picked as they did in Coach's mock were Domi, Mantha, and Mueller. That's a great trio I think. Huge upside all around.

We only have 3 picks though. Why would I say I like the pick he made for us at the pick that Colorado gets?

 

[major major]

We only have 3 picks though. Why would I say I like the pick he made for us at the pick that Colorado gets?

Not for Colorado's pick, right. But he had Domi at 13, and Mantha at 14. Both were available in Coach's mock at 14, so CBJProspects would have taken Domi, not Mantha. Basically, a CBJ draft list is not the same as a mock. The order of players is at debate, not who is taken at 14, 19, 27, 44, etc..

 

[CBJx614]

Wow, hate is a pretty strong emotion to feel about fans who are having a meaningless discussion on a discussion board in early summer when our team isn't playing. Maybe a little perspective is in order.

In my original post, I stated this wouldn't be a popular idea and I was throwing it out for discussion. I thought it would be cool to see what people thought. Discussion ensued. Now apparently those of us who would CONSIDER offers for Bob are hated.

My willingness to listen to offers for Bob, has nothing to do with Bob (the player) or his contract. It has everything to do with my belief that goalies (in general) can't be trusted to earn big multi-year contracts and a franchise center is far more valuable than a goalie long term.

The hatred part wasn't necessarily directed at you i should have clarified I just didn't have the time. I hate our fans at the games (haven't been to a game in 3 years Bc I live in oregon) but I used to go all the time and whether you sit in the 10seats or glass seats it seems like you're surrounded by clueless idiots. Not that they're bad fans as they show up, where in other cities they probably wouldn't. I just couldn't stand going to a game and every time we get a power play, or the puck gets in the zone everyone becomes a nhl offensive expert. It's just always been a pet peeve of mine. I've played hockey for 3/4 of my life if not more, so it's nothing new. It's just irritating as ****. And majority of our fans are only "fans" when we're doing well otherwise all you hear from everyone around the city is Jackets Suck! Anytime you would mention the CBJ. Im sure it's changed a little but that's just how I remember it. **** I do miss going to the Area District for a game. There's nothing like it out here

 

[CBJx614]

The 3 players? He picked for CBJ at all 30 positions, whereas Coach did a standard mock draft.

Coach had us going with Domi, Morrissey and Compher, and at 14-19-27 CBJProspects picked Mantha, Gauthier, and Compher. But (!) his list is not a mock draft! The three players CBJProspects would have picked if every other team would have picked as they did in Coach's mock were Domi, Mantha, and Mueller. That's a great trio I think. Huge upside all around.

Domi Mantha and Mueller would be a great haul from the draft. . All these mocks are getting me excited!

 

[Jackets16]

Not for Colorado's pick, right. But he had Domi at 13, and Mantha at 14. Both were available in Coach's mock at 14, so CBJProspects would have taken Domi, not Mantha. Basically, a CBJ draft list is not the same as a mock. The order of players is at debate, not who is taken at 14, 19, 27, 44, etc..

I know that. I am saying I would like it if we got those 3 players.

 

[major major]

I know that. I am saying I would like it if we got those 3 players.

Oh. Which three?

 

[Jackets16]

Oh. Which three?

The 3 players listed at 14, 19, and 27.

 

[HoldFast13]

I'd prefer Hartman to Compher personally if he were still there, But I have no idea why we would go with Morrisey with Gauthier, Mantha, or Lazar on the board still.

 

[grindline]

After a lot of thought I still have not decided on my own personal draft board. I'm leaning towards trading the LA pick down a few spots. Any suggestions as to what the return might be for dropping from 27th to c. 35th?

 

[Xoggz22]

After a lot of thought I still have not decided on my own personal draft board. I'm leaning towards trading the LA pick down a few spots. Any suggestions as to what the return might be for dropping from 27th to c. 35th?

Early 2nd and a 3rd most likely

 

[EspenK]

For those who haven't seen it this link to The Hockey Writers Top 120 has a lot of info and additional links all in one place.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1446021

 

[EspenK]

While browsing thru the above rankings, there was a tweet from someone regarding Edmonton and their supposed strong desire to get Curtis Lazar. Guy said they might have to take him at 7 if they can't trade down.

So if they think he is available at 14 or 19 might there be at trade to be made? Throw in next year's third or David Savard or both to move up to 7?

Although if that's who they really want why wouldn't they just take him? I still don't fully get the logic of hockey drafting. We really want X but Y projects as a better player so we will draft Y even knowing that the draft is full of surprises both positive and negative and x may turn out much better.

Plus I don't understand why they wouldn't take the best D man available at 7, Seems to me to be a bigger need than another forward.

 

[Xoggz22]

While browsing thru the above rankings, there was a tweet from someone regarding Edmonton and their supposed strong desire to get Curtis Lazar. Guy said they might have to take him at 7 if they can't trade down.

So if they think he is available at 14 or 19 might there be at trade to be made? Throw in next year's third or David Savard or both to move up to 7?

Although if that's who they really want why wouldn't they just take him? I still don't fully get the logic of hockey drafting. We really want X but Y projects as a better player so we will draft Y even knowing that the draft is full of surprises both positive and negative and x may turn out much better.

Plus I don't understand why they wouldn't take the best D man available at 7, Seems to me to be a bigger need than another forward.

Edmonton fans have been pretty adamant that their defensive depth is excellent. NOt at the NHL level but in the minors and juniors. I don't know the players in their prospect pool to comment but it's no different than us CBJ fans saying "damn the torpedos it's offense, offense, offense, no matter what". That shouldn't be true if the dman is valued higher. We know we need offense on the big club AND in the pipeline. That would be the difference with Edmonton. They don't need defense in the pipeline (According to the fans) but they need help on the big club. The draft, beyond the top few, isn't likely to address the big club for 2, 3 or more years.

It does sound as though Edmonton needs center help in all areas and if they like Lazar that much they would know there are players that may be higher ranked that someone else would want and could garner another asset in the deal. Trade down and take the guy you wanted all along. That is a good GM building the asset base.

I still think taking the BPA at #7 would be the way to go and then work the trade market. It's why I wouldn't be disappointed if we ended up with one of the high end defensemen at #14, 19 or 27 if the better forwards are already taken. That's the game for GM's

 

[Jackets16]

For those who haven't seen it this link to The Hockey Writers Top 120 has a lot of info and additional links all in one place.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1446021

Thanks

 

[Jackets16]

While browsing thru the above rankings, there was a tweet from someone regarding Edmonton and their supposed strong desire to get Curtis Lazar. Guy said they might have to take him at 7 if they can't trade down.

So if they think he is available at 14 or 19 might there be at trade to be made? Throw in next year's third or David Savard or both to move up to 7?

Although if that's who they really want why wouldn't they just take him? I still don't fully get the logic of hockey drafting. We really want X but Y projects as a better player so we will draft Y even knowing that the draft is full of surprises both positive and negative and x may turn out much better.

Plus I don't understand why they wouldn't take the best D man available at 7, Seems to me to be a bigger need than another forward.

They need defensemen who can play now. They have enough good D prospects. At least that is what their fans on HFBoards say.

The draft is almost all about value. You don't really worry about need, becase you neve know what your needs will be on your NHL team by the time these prospects make it there. So, you try to maximize the value of each of your picks. You either do that by drafting BPA or trading own to get the guy you want an picking up extra assets to make up for moving down in the draft.

 

[EspenK]

Thanks for the feedback X & RD. You can never have too many good D prospects right?

As i read thru the various lists it seems like more D are moving up while not many, if any O are. So that leads me to believe that we may be able to get a guy who was previously thought to be unavailable at 14 Shinkaruk or Domi? And it might mean that better O picks will be there at 19 & 27 also.

Or we could jump on the bandwagon and add some more D.

BTW, does anyone know what time the draft starts? I imagine it can't be any later than noon and am hoping it would be 9 or 10?

 

[Roadman]

Thanks for the feedback X & RD. You can never have too many good D prospects right?

As i read thru the various lists it seems like more D are moving up while not many, if any O are. So that leads me to believe that we may be able to get a guy who was previously thought to be unavailable at 14 Shinkaruk or Domi? And it might mean that better O picks will be there at 19 & 27 also.

Or we could jump on the bandwagon and add some more D.

BTW, does anyone know what time the draft starts? I imagine it can't be any later than noon and am hoping it would be 9 or 10?

Draft starts at 3:00 EDT, doors open at 2:00.

http://www.prucenter.com/default.asp?prucenter=87&objId=1210