2013 NHL Draft Thread III (6/30, 3PM EDT)

[Jackets16]

Probably would have fit better in the 2012 draft thread but Rick Nash was the face of the franchise, we bombed had a top 3 pick and traded him away. LBJ left the Cavs taking them from a contender to a bottom dweller over night, leaving them with no talent and having to pick first.

We aren't in danger of either of those scenarios happening to us(unless Bob goes to the KHL). We were one of the best teams in the league last year, and if it's possible to continue where we left off, except now we have the potential to be a year or two ahead without losing anything now. With potentially 4 or 5 1st Rd picks(if a deal was made depending on the picks themselves) our prospect pool could be filled within a season or two, with a overfilled stall of prospects ready to make the jump.

I really do get where you're coming from and why you don't want to trade future picks, but it's a calculated risk that has the "potential" to work out. And it also has the "potential" to fail miserably. I also understand us trading away futures, or anyone for that matter for MORE 1sts is very unlikely..when we are already talking about shipping some out now.

Okay. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[EspenK]

Well duh. The only way bob doesn't get signed is if he goes to play in the KHL. I fully expect Bob to be resigned AFTER the award ceremony.


Trading away next year's first is a risk I understand, but sometimes you just have to take that risk. It's up to Tyler Wright, his staff, JD, and JK to make that call. They've said they would explore every option. And if we can build onto our current team without any pieces leaving I think we'd be heading into the right direction.

Glad you're confident and Bob will pass on big bucks from the KHL or if Philly buys out Bryz and offer sheets him a long term big bucks contract he'll pass on that too. I hope you're right but I wouldn't be so smug about it.

 

[GoJackets1]

Glad you're confident and Bob will pass on big bucks from the KHL or if Philly buys out Bryz and offer sheets him a long term big bucks contract he'll pass on that too. I hope you're right but I wouldn't be so smug about it.

As if he would want to go back to Philly... Lol

 

[Stretch Factor]

This trade idea won't be popular, but it's summer and this is a discussion board.

What is the current value of Bob on the trade market? I assume pretty high. Would Bob and our first, get us up high enough to get Mac?

I'm not going to argue for or against making that trade, I'll do both.

FOR- Only the front office and Bob knows how the negotiation is really going. Let's assume he's serious about getting $10m or bolting for the KHL. If they don't believe they can sign him to what they consider a reasonable price, they should trade him while his value is sky high. Further, giving a goalie an expensive long term contract is almost always a bad idea. These guys are usually flighty and they are anything but consistent. If I get a chance to trade a goalie who's played 30 ish great games for a franchise center, I do it.

AGAINST- We finally have a franchise goalie and now we want to trade him away? He's young, he's relatively cheap, and he's about to be a Vezina winner. Only a moron would trade that away for the chance of picking an 18 year old who's never laced them up in the NHL. Plus, we'd be giving away #14 who could also be a franchise player. Bob will be signed by the time the ink is dry on his Vezina certificate and he will lead us to the playoffs next year.


What say you?

 

[EspenK]

I don't think Bob has much trade value until he is signed;then its a no brainer to keep him.

 

[major major]

This trade idea won't be popular, but it's summer and this is a discussion board.

What is the current value of Bob on the trade market? I assume pretty high. Would Bob and our first, get us up high enough to get Mac?

I'm not going to argue for or against making that trade, I'll do both.

FOR- Only the front office and Bob knows how the negotiation is really going. Let's assume he's serious about getting $10m or bolting for the KHL. If they don't believe they can sign him to what they consider a reasonable price, they should trade him while his value is sky high. Further, giving a goalie an expensive long term contract is almost always a bad idea. These guys are usually flighty and they are anything but consistent. If I get a chance to trade a goalie who's played 30 ish great games for a franchise center, I do it.

AGAINST- We finally have a franchise goalie and now we want to trade him away? He's young, he's relatively cheap, and he's about to be a Vezina winner. Only a moron would trade that away for the chance of picking an 18 year old who's never laced them up in the NHL. Plus, we'd be giving away #14 who could also be a franchise player. Bob will be signed by the time the ink is dry on his Vezina certificate and he will lead us to the playoffs next year.


What say you?

Bob is probably the only player who I wouldn't trade straight up for Mackinnon. I'd do JJ, I'd do Arty, I'd do Murray. But not Bob. I know he's not proven consistent but I'll take my chances with him.

 

[Jackets16]

This trade idea won't be popular, but it's summer and this is a discussion board.

What is the current value of Bob on the trade market? I assume pretty high. Would Bob and our first, get us up high enough to get Mac?

I'm not going to argue for or against making that trade, I'll do both.

FOR- Only the front office and Bob knows how the negotiation is really going. Let's assume he's serious about getting $10m or bolting for the KHL. If they don't believe they can sign him to what they consider a reasonable price, they should trade him while his value is sky high. Further, giving a goalie an expensive long term contract is almost always a bad idea. These guys are usually flighty and they are anything but consistent. If I get a chance to trade a goalie who's played 30 ish great games for a franchise center, I do it.

AGAINST- We finally have a franchise goalie and now we want to trade him away? He's young, he's relatively cheap, and he's about to be a Vezina winner. Only a moron would trade that away for the chance of picking an 18 year old who's never laced them up in the NHL. Plus, we'd be giving away #14 who could also be a franchise player. Bob will be signed by the time the ink is dry on his Vezina certificate and he will lead us to the playoffs next year.


What say you?

I wouldn't trade Bobrovsky straight up for the chance to draft MacKinnon.

 

[Sore Loser]

This trade idea won't be popular, but it's summer and this is a discussion board.

What is the current value of Bob on the trade market? I assume pretty high. Would Bob and our first, get us up high enough to get Mac?

I'm not going to argue for or against making that trade, I'll do both.

FOR- Only the front office and Bob knows how the negotiation is really going. Let's assume he's serious about getting $10m or bolting for the KHL. If they don't believe they can sign him to what they consider a reasonable price, they should trade him while his value is sky high. Further, giving a goalie an expensive long term contract is almost always a bad idea. These guys are usually flighty and they are anything but consistent. If I get a chance to trade a goalie who's played 30 ish great games for a franchise center, I do it.

AGAINST- We finally have a franchise goalie and now we want to trade him away? He's young, he's relatively cheap, and he's about to be a Vezina winner. Only a moron would trade that away for the chance of picking an 18 year old who's never laced them up in the NHL. Plus, we'd be giving away #14 who could also be a franchise player. Bob will be signed by the time the ink is dry on his Vezina certificate and he will lead us to the playoffs next year.


What say you?

Bobrovsky alone should net us not only the chance to draft MacKinnon, but also one of Colorado or Florida's better offensive players ... nevermind including our pick.

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

We need to resign Bob,

That guy actually gave us a chance to win every game - he came here with a reputation as someone that works extremely hard, and evidence backs this up. If they traded Bob I think the results would be ominous.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

at even thinking about trading Bob

 

[CBJx614]

Glad you're confident and Bob will pass on big bucks from the KHL or if Philly buys out Bryz and offer sheets him a long term big bucks contract he'll pass on that too. I hope you're right but I wouldn't be so smug about it.

Management already said they'd match any offer sheet.. So, if he's playing in the nhl he's playing here, and let's be honest he led the hottest team in the nhl... Nowhere. You tell me if he really is the fierce hungry goalie he is he doesn't wanna come back and finish what he started. But **** what do I know maybe he wants to play in Russia and make a boatload of money, but he doesn't come off like that what so ever

 

[blahblah]

Bobrovsky alone should net us not only the chance to draft MacKinnon, but also one of Colorado or Florida's better offensive players ... nevermind including our pick.

Holy major over valuation batman. Seriously if you can get the #2 for Bob, just do it now.

 

[Nordique]

This trade idea won't be popular, but it's summer and this is a discussion board.

What is the current value of Bob on the trade market? I assume pretty high. Would Bob and our first, get us up high enough to get Mac?

I'm not going to argue for or against making that trade, I'll do both.

FOR- Only the front office and Bob knows how the negotiation is really going. Let's assume he's serious about getting $10m or bolting for the KHL. If they don't believe they can sign him to what they consider a reasonable price, they should trade him while his value is sky high. Further, giving a goalie an expensive long term contract is almost always a bad idea. These guys are usually flighty and they are anything but consistent. If I get a chance to trade a goalie who's played 30 ish great games for a franchise center, I do it.

AGAINST- We finally have a franchise goalie and now we want to trade him away? He's young, he's relatively cheap, and he's about to be a Vezina winner. Only a moron would trade that away for the chance of picking an 18 year old who's never laced them up in the NHL. Plus, we'd be giving away #14 who could also be a franchise player. Bob will be signed by the time the ink is dry on his Vezina certificate and he will lead us to the playoffs next year.


What say you?

I like your angle, its good to investigate all options. The problem I keep coming back to, and its huge, is that we don't have any credible successor. At the end of the day, he was the mvp this season and the only guy on the roster we can't replace.

 

[CBJx614]

Bleacher Report has us taking Domi, Morrissey(with Mantha, wenneberg available) and Jason Dickinson

 

[OldGoaltender]

Live the Domi pick.

 

[Jackets440]

Id love to see us draft Domi, Mantha, and Rychel with our 3 firsts

 

[CBJx614]

Id love to see us draft Domi, Mantha, and Rychel with our 3 firsts

If that's the way it fell I would be so stoked. Or even Erne or Lazar instead of either Mantha or Rychel. Any combo of the 5 of them and I think we'll be looking back in a few years wondering how we got them so late.

 

[Fro]

trust me...we want NOTHING to do with Erne...EVER

 

[major major]

trust me...we want NOTHING to do with Erne...EVER

Why?

 

[HoldFast13]

I believe it's already been reported he has some attitude issues or something like that.

 

[Fro]

I believe it's already been reported he has some attitude issues or something like that.

and then some...when i can pass along the info i received I'll dive in more to it...but yeah...

*sorry to be vague...but not my info and not my source so I can't post everything...just trust me on this one for now

 

[JacketsFanWest]

trust me...we want NOTHING to do with Erne...EVER

If you’re referring to the one instant where he was suspended for a game by a decision by the “veterans” on the Remparts, then that’s a considerable overreaction.

The two young stars – Erne and Anthony Duclair – were called out by the veterans for being too selfish and individualistic and not listening to them. This was following a 6 game losing streak where the veterans blamed the two youngsters.

In the end, the coaching staff let Erne and Duclair play and didn’t suspend them.

The Remparts considerably underachieved this season, have a considerable fanbase with huge expectations and play for over 10,000 fans at home games.

You might compare it to the veterans on the Jackets blaming Cam Atkinson and Ryan Johansen for the team losing and telling the coaching staff to bench them. But in the case of the Remparts, it's 20 years olds who will never play in the NHL complaining that Erne and Duclair were too concerned with impressing scouts.

 

[Fro]

nope...more recent actions...

 

[InjuredChoker]

Some nhl.com mocks.

Kimelman's

Morreale's

And Hoffner's

 

[CBJx614]

Some nhl.com mocks.

Kimelman's

Morreale's

And Hoffner's

Kimmelmans was good until I saw our first and second pick.. With that many offensive players left on the board there's no way we pass up on Domi, Zykov and Hartman for Pulock. And then pass up Rychel for Mueller.

I really liked Morreale's, only thing I would change is Zach Nastasiuk for one of Horvat, Mantha or Rychel.

And Hoffner's is meh.


One thing I have noticed though is Hartman seems to have gone from the last half of the 1st round to the first half in quite a few mocks recently.