2013 NHL Draft Thread III (6/30, 3PM EDT)

[db2011]

If we had Rick Nash on this current team we'd still be playing right now.

You're nuts

 

[Crede777]

If we had Rick Nash on this current team we'd still be playing right now.

He stopped really playing hard for us 2 years ago. Would HE be playing right now?

 

[EspenK]

For all those who are against trading picks, go look at the results of the mock draft we just completed for the 1st round.

Horvat, Zadorov and looks like Lehkonen.

While all three could become good players, I don't get all that excited about that group.

Hopefully real life will produce more of a bounty.

 

[CalBuckeyeRob]

For all those who are against trading picks, go look at the results of the mock draft we just completed for the 1st round.

Horvat, Zadorov and looks like Lehkonen.

While all three could become good players, I don't get all that excited about that group.

Hopefully real life will produce more of a bounty.

It is easy to be optimistic that your GM is so smart that he will find 3 gems in the first round between picks 14 and 27. I would think on odds based on past NHL drafts you are most likely to get 1 good player, 1 serviceable player and 1 bust out of the 3 picks. If that is correct, you would trade all 3 of them without thinking for one very good player higher in the draft. Of course no pick is a guarantee of success, but again, on odds alone, it seems that it should be much easier to find a star at #5 then trying 3 times to get one later in the round.

 

[Mayor Bee]

It is easy to be optimistic that your GM is so smart that he will find 3 gems in the first round between picks 14 and 27. I would think on odds based on past NHL drafts you are most likely to get 1 good player, 1 serviceable player and 1 bust out of the 3 picks. If that is correct, you would trade all 3 of them without thinking for one very good player higher in the draft. Of course no pick is a guarantee of success, but again, on odds alone, it seems that it should be much easier to find a star at #5 then trying 3 times to get one later in the round.

Impossible. With JD and Jarmo H. Christ running the show, we've been told that every pick will be an All-Star.

 

[JacketsFanWest]

Was reading the prospect boards and a lot of folks were mentioning Burakowsky as a potential home run pick of the draft. High risk, but his upside is that of an elite first liner, as I've seen multiple times. That sounds like a very Jarmo-esque pick to me, and if he's there at 27, wouldn't be surprised at all to hear his name called. Not opposed to a home run type pick in the late first round. Especially since we have 3.

Burakovsky has been a bit of a disappointment not stepping up at U18 tournaments, especially against the better the teams. I can see him falling to the 2nd round. I've even seen mocks where he dropped to the 3rd round but I think it's very unlikely. He was talked about as a Top 10 pick in the preseason.

Malmö has been absolutely terrible at developing prospects and the good news is that Burakovsky is coming over to play in the CHL next season. If he ends up on one of the better CHL teams with a good coaching staff and can develop properly, he could pan out.

His dad played in the NHL, and in fact was a teammate of Kekäläinen in Ottawa.

 

[Mayor Bee]

Burakovsky has been a bit of a disappointment not stepping up at U18 tournaments, especially against the better the teams. I can see him falling to the 2nd round. I've even seen mocks where he dropped to the 3rd round but I think it's very unlikely. He was talked about as a Top 10 pick in the preseason.

Malmö has been absolutely terrible at developing prospects and the good news is that Burakovsky is coming over to play in the CHL next season. If he ends up on one of the better CHL teams with a good coaching staff and can develop properly, he could pan out.

His dad played in the NHL, and in fact was a teammate of Kekäläinen in Ottawa.

Yup, back when Ottawa had the old United Nations revolving door. Burakovsky, Kekalainen, Tomas Jelinek, Pavol Demitra, Dmitri Filimonov, Radek Hamr...I think I'm missing someone.

 

[EspenK]

Here is a link to an interesting look at top 30 picks, one a day. Starts with #30 Ryan Hartman and so far they are thru #24

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/nhl-draft-prospects-no-30-ryan-hartman/

 

[Samkow]

Interesting watching a team with great defense/goaltending and a wall balanced forward core that lacks any really high end guy completely diamante the team of superstars.

Interesting commentary on the "trade up" debate.

 

[Cash for Nash]

Interesting watching a team with great defense/goaltending and a wall balanced forward core that lacks any really high end guy completely diamante the team of superstars.

Interesting commentary on the "trade up" debate.

lmao....Here we go.

The Bruins have a "little more" than just a well balanced forward core up front.
I don't think the CBJ have one player (maybe healthy motivated Gaborik) up front as good as Lucic, Bergeron, Seguin, Krecji, Marchand, Horton, Hell maybe even Jagr.

To me, those guys are stars. Maybe not elite superstars, but bonafide top line star power.

The CBJ forwards are not even comparable. Not even a little.

 

[major major]

lmao....Here we go.

The Bruins have a "little more" than just a well balanced forward core up front.
I don't think the CBJ have one player (maybe healthy motivated Gaborik) up front as good as Lucic, Bergeron, Seguin, Krecji, Marchand, Horton, Hell maybe even Jagr.

To me, those guys are stars. Maybe not elite superstars, but bonafide top line star power.

The CBJ forwards are not even comparable. Not even a little.

Agreed. If there is a lesson from the Bruins success, it's that you don't need superstar forwards to win if you have a half-dozen star forwards.

 

[Timeless Winter]

Interesting watching a team with great defense/goaltending and a wall balanced forward core that lacks any really high end guy completely diamante the team of superstars.

Interesting commentary on the "trade up" debate.

You say that as if the Blue Jackets are anywhere near as good as the Bruins, how cute.

Trading up makes sense, if ya know, you ever want the CBJ to be good.

 

[Xoggz22]

lmao....Here we go.

The Bruins have a "little more" than just a well balanced forward core up front.
I don't think the CBJ have one player (maybe healthy motivated Gaborik) up front as good as Lucic, Bergeron, Seguin, Krecji, Marchand, Horton, Hell maybe even Jagr.

To me, those guys are stars. Maybe not elite superstars, but bonafide top line star power.

The CBJ forwards are not even comparable. Not even a little.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Bruins are very complete and their top 6 forwards all are likely to be top 6 forwards on most teams, especially CBJ. Since they have been around so long I had the impreession they were older but it's really only Chara. They could be good for a long time....

 

[EspenK]

The responses here could be as unanimous as the Carter thread. What Sam said is true. As soon as the Jackets re-sign Bob, the D continues to improve and our forwards are in a class of the aforementioned Bruins, the Jackets will be poised to compete for the Cup.

The interesting thing is where were those guys drafted?

Horton - 3rd
Seguin - 2nd
Bergeron-45th
Lucic- 50th
Marchand-71
Krejci- 63rd

So it looks like trading our picks should be the right course.

Trading down for more 2nd & 3rd's.

I'd still do a deal for MacKinnon if at all possible; if not lets hope the scouts & Jarmo nail the latter picks for the gems in waiting.

Sad postscript: Except for Horton & Seguin we could have drafted the rest.

 

[major major]

The responses here could be as unanimous as the Carter thread. What Sam said is true. As soon as the Jackets re-sign Bob, the D continues to improve and our forwards are in a class of the aforementioned Bruins, the Jackets will be poised to compete for the Cup.

The interesting thing is where were those guys drafted?

Horton - 3rd
Seguin - 2nd
Bergeron-45th
Lucic- 50th
Marchand-71
Krejci- 63rd

So it looks like trading our picks should be the right course.

Trading down for more 2nd & 3rd's.

I'd still do a deal for MacKinnon if at all possible; if not lets hope the scouts & Jarmo nail the latter picks for the gems in waiting.

Sad postscript: Except for Horton & Seguin we could have drafted the rest.

Agreed, if it was just the Bruins draftees above that we were to draw lessons from I'd say don't move up, move down. But there are 30 teams to draw lessons from which is more helpful than this small sample size learning of looking at one team. Individual teams will show us there is a chance for all sorts of strategies to work (heck there is a chance we could build a championship roster out of 5th and 6th rounders) what I want to know is the probabilities.

The probabilities don't look good with the trade down approach. A quick test to employ is to ask if Krejci, Marchand, Lucic, and Bergeron were the best players taken in their respective rounds. If so, then you're going to have a hard time drafting them.

 

[Sore Loser]

The responses here could be as unanimous as the Carter thread. What Sam said is true. As soon as the Jackets re-sign Bob, the D continues to improve and our forwards are in a class of the aforementioned Bruins, the Jackets will be poised to compete for the Cup.

The interesting thing is where were those guys drafted?

Horton - 3rd
Seguin - 2nd
Bergeron-45th
Lucic- 50th
Marchand-71
Krejci- 63rd

So it looks like trading our picks should be the right course.

Trading down for more 2nd & 3rd's.

I'd still do a deal for MacKinnon if at all possible; if not lets hope the scouts & Jarmo nail the latter picks for the gems in waiting.

Sad postscript: Except for Horton & Seguin we could have drafted the rest.

The one that really hurts, for me, is when in 2003 - one pick after Patrice Bergeron - we picked a guy with serious concerns about his shoulders and questions about his hockey sense, Dan Fritsche. Three picks later, a "late bloomer" was selected by Nashville - Shea Weber, who had shot up something like 8 inches in the two years leading up to the draft, going from undersized kid to dominant man.

It's my opinion that our first two picks in 2003 (not to mention our own second round pick became Loui Eriksson) are a direct cause of our futility for the last 10 years. Instead of Zherdev and Fritsche, there are any number of talented guys we could have had.

 

[NotWendell]

Who here wants to go to the draft in Jersey?

 

[OldGoaltender]

Who here wants to go to the draft in Jersey?

I was thinking about it.

 

[Mayor Bee]

Who here wants to go to the draft in Jersey?

My wife, but she's not getting her way.

(We went last year)

 

[Roadman]

Any thoughts on Hunter Shinkaruk.

He seems to be projected around 9-11, and after Mac & Drouin the highest offensive potential. Worth considering what it might cost to move up for him? Would Nikitin and 19 or 14 be of interest to NJD, DAL, or PHI? Enough? Too much? Is there a chance he falls to 14?

 

[CBJx614]

Any thoughts on Hunter Shinkaruk.

He seems to be projected around 9-11, and after Mac & Drouin the highest offensive potential. Worth considering what it might cost to move up for him? Would Nikitin and 19 or 14 be of interest to NJD, DAL, or PHI? Enough? Too much? Is there a chance he falls to 14?

He's somebody I've wanted since the start. I think he has the potential to be one of those "how the hell did fall that far!" type players at the 7-10 range. He played with 11 other rookies this year and while his stats were a little padded last season he still showed a lot of promise this year. He's still got a lot of room to grow physically and on the ice. He's got great playmaking abilities and could be a perfect linemate for Calvert/Atkinson/Gaborik

 

[Sore Loser]

Any thoughts on Hunter Shinkaruk.

He seems to be projected around 9-11, and after Mac & Drouin the highest offensive potential. Worth considering what it might cost to move up for him? Would Nikitin and 19 or 14 be of interest to NJD, DAL, or PHI? Enough? Too much? Is there a chance he falls to 14?

No way Shinkaruk falls past the Devils at 9 ... unless a couple of teams pick off the board and they get a shot at one of the top-7 guys. With Elias soon to retire and Clarkson leaving, the Devils need scoring wings big time. Shinkaruk could be another Zach Parise for them.

 

[NotWendell]

So the Kings pick is what number officially?

EDIT: Rob Mixer of the CBJ says it's probably #27 (don't understand the reason for any uncertainty)

 

[Roadman]

He's somebody I've wanted since the start. I think he has the potential to be one of those "how the hell did fall that far!" type players at the 7-10 range. He played with 11 other rookies this year and while his stats were a little padded last season he still showed a lot of promise this year. He's still got a lot of room to grow physically and on the ice. He's got great playmaking abilities and could be a perfect linemate for Calvert/Atkinson/Gaborik

No way Shinkaruk falls past the Devils at 9 ... unless a couple of teams pick off the board and they get a shot at one of the top-7 guys. With Elias soon to retire and Clarkson leaving, the Devils need scoring wings big time. Shinkaruk could be another Zach Parise for them.

Worth going after? What would you estimate the cost? Is he a player that could be acquired with out breaking the bank? While I'm not looking for a bargain basement type deal, something more reasonable than what it might take to go top 5 for example? Everything I've read leads me to believe he would be an excellent fit.

 

[EspenK]

No way Shinkaruk falls past the Devils at 9 ... unless a couple of teams pick off the board and they get a shot at one of the top-7 guys. With Elias soon to retire and Clarkson leaving, the Devils need scoring wings big time. Shinkaruk could be another Zach Parise for them.

This is the way I would draft-need based. I guess I can buy the BPA argument if its the number 1 pick and the guy is clear cut but even this year if I'm Colorado I take Jones;if we had the 1 I'd take MacKinnon.