2013 NHL Draft Thread III (6/30, 3PM EDT)

[Xoggz22]

Some nhl.com mocks.

Kimelman's

Morreale's

And Hoffner's

Kimmelman doesn't even have Burakowsky in the 1st round.... OUCH. I'm on board with Pulock at #14 if he's BPA but with Zykov and Domi both available at 14 in his... not a chance in my opinion.

Hoffner's seems like a bad dream to me. I really like Wennberg and if he were available at 19, great. Taking Hartman at 14 is not likely and no chance with Horvat, Zykov, Risolainen, Gauthier and Wennberg available. All are likely to go ahead of Hartman. Hartman at #27 would be OK. I do like the Klimchuck pick at #27. Props fo rthat one.

Morreale's is a mixed bag. Like the Zykov pick, hate the Nastasiak pick (at 19) especially with Mantha, Horvat, Burakowsky, Lazar and possibly Hartman available. Meh on Hagg at 27 but if Burakowsky was there and we didn't go that way....

What I learned from these is that it confirms what I think most of us see. Beyond the first tier of players, this draft could go in any direction.

 

[HoldFast13]

Yeah I saw those Mocks today and don't agree with pretty much any of it.

 

[major major]

Some nhl.com mocks.

Kimelman's

Morreale's

And Hoffner's

I found it most interesting that they all thought Lindholm would fall to 8,9 or 10. That's low! I think Edmonton will deal the #7 if Monahan is snapped up, so I hope we're ready to pounce on it if Lindholm is there. I think they'd be interested in a later pick, Jenner, and Nikitin. I wouldn't do all of it, but there is a combination in there that both parties could live with.

Oh, and I tuned out Kimelman once I saw the whole Murray-Mueller connection. Writers make mistakes like that when they try to do a bit of research without going in depth.

 

[Jackets16]

I didn't like any of them based on who was still available at each of our picks.

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

Me either,

I didn't like any of them based on who was still available at each of our picks.

I'm certainly hoping that we make a move up for Monahan or Lindholm if they fall close to 14 - I have a good feeling about Jarmo & Company. He and Davidson have pissed me off in the past getting good value.. now its time they do so for us.

 

[Jackets16]

I'm certainly hoping that we make a move up for Monahan or Lindholm if they fall close to 14 - I have a good feeling about Jarmo & Company. He and Davidson have pissed me off in the past getting good value.. now its time they do so for us.

I think we will see a lot of movement, up and down, at the draft. They seem like guys who know what they want and will do what they have to, to get it.

 

[Stretch Factor]

Bobrovsky alone should net us not only the chance to draft MacKinnon, but also one of Colorado or Florida's better offensive players ... nevermind including our pick.

Almost everyone in Columbus would have said the exact same thing after Mason lead us to the playoffs.

We signed him long term to a fairly expensive contract, he then sucked for four years.

Very few goaltenders end up earning a big contract. They almost always go into some sort of funk before the end of the deal.

Not sure I'd do it, but I would consider Bob and our first for MacKinnon. I would drive the goalie to the airport for a straight up deal.

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

I hear your point, but Sergei playing well

Not sure I'd do it, but I would consider Bob and our first for MacKinnon. I would drive the goalie to the airport for a straight up deal.

is the difference between our record last year and a bottom 3 finish. He stood on his head for a handful of save every game. I'm not saying you bet the farm on the guy or even give him a long term deal, keep it short, keep it reasonable & keep him hungry.

I know we need top line talent that stick handle & score.. just not sure that everyone knows who the best is when the kids are only 18. Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Stamkos, Tavares (even I could see that) but what about Getzlaf, & Perry and Richards and Carter and Zetterberg & Datsyuk and Kopitar and Hossa, Kane, & Toews

 

[major major]

Almost everyone in Columbus would have said the exact same thing after Mason lead us to the playoffs.

We signed him long term to a fairly expensive contract, he then sucked for four years.

Very few goaltenders end up earning a big contract. They almost always go into some sort of funk before the end of the deal.

Not sure I'd do it, but I would consider Bob and our first for MacKinnon. I would drive the goalie to the airport for a straight up deal.

Of course, there's always a risk with goalies, because they're just crazy human beings. But as Bob goes, we go. There's no way out of that. And if he is on top of his game, he will have a bigger impact on this team than any skater ever could.

 

[Sore Loser]

Almost everyone in Columbus would have said the exact same thing after Mason lead us to the playoffs.

We signed him long term to a fairly expensive contract, he then sucked for four years.

Very few goaltenders end up earning a big contract. They almost always go into some sort of funk before the end of the deal.

Not sure I'd do it, but I would consider Bob and our first for MacKinnon. I would drive the goalie to the airport for a straight up deal.

Big difference. Mason was a 20 year old with even limited junior experience, due to injury and depth charts. Bobrovsky is a three year pro that played in one of the harshest goaltending markets in hockey ... and is a notable hard worker with a good head on his shoulders.

I'm as big a MacKinnon fan as you'll find around here, and even I would be very hesitant to trade a proven NHL star for him.

 

[Jackets16]

Big difference. Mason was a 20 year old with even limited junior experience, due to injury and depth charts. Bobrovsky is a three year pro that played in one of the harshest goaltending markets in hockey ... and is a notable hard worker with a good head on his shoulders.

I'm as big a MacKinnon fan as you'll find around here, and even I would be very hesitant to trade a proven NHL star for him.

Well said and I agree.

 

[CBJx614]

is the difference between our record last year and a bottom 3 finish. He stood on his head for a handful of save every game. I'm not saying you bet the farm on the guy or even give him a long term deal, keep it short, keep it reasonable & keep him hungry.

I know we need top line talent that stick handle & score.. just not sure that everyone knows who the best is when the kids are only 18. Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Stamkos, Tavares (even I could see that) but what about Getzlaf, & Perry and Richards and Carter and Zetterberg & Datsyuk and Kopitar and Hossa, Kane, & Toews

If this was 2003 we could draft all of them(with this years picks except Carter unless Jarmo really wanted him )

 

[major major]

Over at CoppernBlue (an Oilers fansite), Scott Reynolds is looking at statistical comparables for this year's draft eligible players. Here's his comps for Shinkaruk, with links to the other players comps. He projects Shinkaruk as a middle-six winger, but cautions that he might be a total bust because of his regression from last year to this year, which is most comparable to Angelo Esposito and Rob Schremp. Yikes!

(This type of analysis doesn't replace actual scouting, I know.)

 

[InjuredChoker]

Shinkaruk lost Etem.

 

[CBJx614]

Shinkaruk lost Etem.

And played with 10+ rookies...

 

[Stretch Factor]

Big difference. Mason was a 20 year old with even limited junior experience, due to injury and depth charts. Bobrovsky is a three year pro that played in one of the harshest goaltending markets in hockey ... and is a notable hard worker with a good head on his shoulders.

I'm as big a MacKinnon fan as you'll find around here, and even I would be very hesitant to trade a proven NHL star for him.

I love Bob, but 25-30 great games hardly makes him a proven star. Goalies are just too streaky for me to turn down a chance at MacKinnon. I just don't trust goalies and I would bet, MacKinnon does more for his franchise over the next decade than Bob will do for ours.

Again, not meant as a slight towards Bob. He was obviously great for us this year. I'm just a sell high kind of guy.

 

[Arch City Zach]

I love Bob, but 25-30 great games hardly makes him a proven star. Goalies are just too streaky for me to turn down a chance at MacKinnon. I just don't trust goalies and I would bet, MacKinnon does more for his franchise over the next decade than Bob will do for ours.

Again, not meant as a slight towards Bob. He was obviously great for us this year. I'm just a sell high kind of guy.

Why does everyone forget about Bob's rookie year? Yes, he had a rough second year as a backup. You would too if you learned that the team you took to the playoffs just decided you're not good enough.

 

[Jackets440]

who would be our goalie after this hypothetical bob trade?

 

[CalBuckeyeRob]

To begin, no team is trading you the #1 or #2 overall pick for Bobrovsky.

If you believe Boborovsky's performance was luck, of course you should move him or at least play hardball in negotiations. But I sense much of this reaction is a response to Mason busting after one big year and now thinking that every big year by a goalie in Columbus must be a fraud. But if you believe his season was evidence of actual skill (and being a Vezina finalist suggests that others think it was), it would be stupid to deal him just to create the same gaping hole all over again with no guy ready to take the job. For now, this team relies way too much on the goalie to compete. But if you have a goalie you can rely on him you need to keep him unless the offer is overwhelming in a trade, and it won't be.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

who would be our goalie after this hypothetical bob trade?

Curtis McElhinney

The thought of even thinking about trading Bobrovsky due to a CONTRACT NEGOTIATION is pure stupidity and a real head shaker as a fan. Unbelievably dumb.

 

[CBJx614]

Curtis McElhinney

The thought of even thinking about trading Bobrovsky due to a CONTRACT NEGOTIATION is pure stupidity and a real head shaker as a fan. Unbelievably dumb.

I honestly can't believe that even gets into a fans head. I said a hundred times in the offseason that if Bobrovsky gad starter minutes again he would shine. And he did. And now he hasn't been locked up in a deal with the playoffs still going on and people have resorted to asking what he's worth in a trade.. If the season was a week away and we couldn't comes to terms okay I see it... But the playoffs are still going on.

I LOVE the Blue Jackets... I absolutely hate our fans though.

 

[SuperGenius]

 

[blahblah]

Why does everyone forget about Bob's rookie year?

He had two excellent months in his rookie year, the rest was either average or below on top of a horrible playoff performance.

I remember his rookie season, certainly not something that is going to drive up contract demands.

 

[KeithBWhittington]

Sorry if this has already been mentioned in the thread, I didn't see it right at the beginning of it, but what channel (aside from NHL Network), if any, is broadcasting the first round?

 

[misfit]

who would be our goalie after this hypothetical bob trade?

Finding a goaltender this offseason shouldn't be too difficult.

Smith
Bryzgalov
Miller
Luongo
Halak/Elliot
Hiller
Thomas
Backstrom
Fleury
Neuverth/Holtby

All of those players should be available to one degree or another.