2013 New Jersey Devils (Team/Player Discussion)-Offseason FA and trade talk Part XII

[Devils Trap]

You're insinuating that Kovalchuk defensively is poor, when he took great strides in that department and became quite a weapon on the PK. Offensively, Kovalchuk is a clear tier or two above Patrik. Other teams do not gameplan around Patrik as shown by the rapid drop in goal production ( I believe a .85 drop in team goal production during that period) when Kovalchuk hurt his shoulder in late March.

Still, Patty is miles ahead of Kovy in Defense. Only a little worse then him offensively. A much better leader, conducts himself how a player should on and off the ice . True Leader

Also why do people think because Kovy scores on the PK that makes him "good" defensively. He improved but he wasnt that good

 

[Tundra]

Its ok to have an opinion and all, especially around here, but when about 99% of the posters here disagree with you, you should probably take that as the queue to give it a rest.

99% of the posters probably thought the U.S. fought the Russians in WW2. So no water off my back.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Because he is selfish and would sulk otherwise... they couldn't afford go have their 100 million dollar man sulking in a corner.

When the A-line was the best line in the league and Elias was the 2nd leading scorer in the entire league no one played sort of minutes except for Stevens.

Don't like agreeing with tundra but saying that Kovy wanted to play that much and would sulk if he didnt is pure unadulterated bull****. Just completely baseless.

 

[NHL Fanatik*]

Kovalchuk has gotten everyone all up in arms...

Still excited about Schneider/Clowe/Ryder/Oelsz/Brunner (possibly)/and more to come...?!

He's gone, let's move on and discuss the future, as this whole fiasco is the past.

Vanek? Grabovski? Jagr? ...Marchand? (heard he is being shopped, don't know the amount of truth to this)

 

[JimEIV]

Don't like agreeing with tundra but saying that Kovy wanted to play that much and would sulk if he didnt is pure unadulterated bull****. Just completely baseless.

Whose idea was it then....see here is the catch...he played 24+ minutes a game and two full minutes on the Pp under THREE(4 really)different coaches...Lemaire, MacLean, Lemaire and DeBoer.... so it's was either Lou pulling the strings or Kovalchuk.

 

[Benedict Parisechuk]

Kovalchuk has gotten everyone all up in arms...

Still excited about Schneider/Clowe/Ryder/Oelsz/Brunner (possibly)/and more to come...?!

He's gone, let's move on and discuss the future, as this whole fiasco is the past.

Vanek? Grabovski? Jagr? ...Marchand? (heard he is being shopped, don't know the amount of truth to this)

Exactly. Can we please talk about who IS on the roster and who might be coming in, instead of someone who quit and left the continent? Its getting tiresome.

 

[billingtons ghost]

Kovalchuk didn't change a whole lot of games this season. That's one thing I ranted about last night when saying he looked like another piece of space junk for a lot of the season, which was due to his heart and head not being in it, not injury or ailment.

Kovalchuk changed one game this season. The Washington game in February which was Marty's last game before injury. Washington was in the toilet still during that time period, and we also got some generous calls our way during the 3rd period that game. I remember one other game where he killed off a penalty all by himself. I think it was before the Marty injury and the slide. Kovalchuk would not be in heavy demand after pulling a stunt like this either.

People saying Elias is/was better/more valuable than kovy may seriously be one of the most deranged things I have ever heard.

Face it, for better or worse, kovy was our premier #1 forward and is miles above most players in the league. Kovalchuk changed every game he was in because of his presence.

Elias got to play on a second line against second pairing Dmen because of it, and his point totals benefited.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Whose idea was it then....see here is the catch...he played 24+ minutes a game and two full minutes on the Pp under THREE(4 really)different coaches...Lemaire, MacLean, Lemaire and DeBoer.... so it's was either Lou pulling the strings or Kovalchuk.

Or they all felt that's how he should be used. This argument has literally zero evidence so you should stop. I get blasted for saying Tedenby should go to the gym more and no one says anything about this pure nonsense.

 

[billingtons ghost]

Exactly. Can we please talk about who IS on the roster and who might be coming in, instead of someone who quit and left the continent? Its getting tiresome.

Maybe in a few days we can. Right now we have a big disturbance in the Force to deal with, and other than drinking myself into oblivion, debating it here seems like a reasonable alternative.

 

[Tundra]

Let's examine why I am hated. These are the following concerns I have made. If am wrong I will gladly return in time and take my lumps:

1. This team is still anemic scoring wise. Clarkson & Kovalchuk EXITs. Ryder and Clowe ENTERS. A slight dropoff if we're lucky, but this was the 3rd lowest scoring team in the NHL last year.

2. The Clowe contract was absurd, especially examining when other competitors were offering 1 to 2 years. 5 years at that price with that type of mileage on his body is extremely risky.

3. Lou is a average to below average GM in the cap era. Substandard draft record combined with some questionable contracts (Salvador, Zajac, Clowe) could backfire royally going forward.

Let it be timestamped.

 

[JimEIV]

I find it hard to believe three different coaches, 2 who are famous for rolling lines all come to the conclusion that Kovalchuk should play the full pp and mid-20 minutes on a nightly basis independently.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

the Zajac and Salvador contracts are not going to "backfire"

Sal is signed for 2 more years at like $3 million. big deal.

Zajac is still going to be a productive player even if he doesnt put up 70 points

 

[aboriginal]

i still love sal.
volch can **** off tho.

 

[JimEIV]

Let's examine why I am hated.

I don't hate anyone.... nothing but love in my heart.. didn't read anything after that.

 

[Tundra]

People saying Elias is/was better/more valuable than kovy may seriously be one of the most deranged things I have ever heard.

Face it, for better or worse, kovy was our premier #1 forward and is miles above most players in the league. Kovalchuk changed every game he was in because of his presence.

Elias got to play on a second line against second pairing Dmen because of it, and his point totals benefited.

Kovalchuk can be assailed for not fulfilling his contractual obligations and leaving this organization in a lurch, but I didn't think anyone would question his ability. He didn't get 100 million dollars from a generally careful organization because he was a useless bum.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I find it hard to believe three different coaches, 2 who are famous for rolling lines all come to the conclusion that Kovalchuk should play the full pp and mid-20 minutes on a nightly basis independently.

Last year we had no one he had to. Under Maclean everyone was hurt we had to. You can believe what you want just like people believe that 9/11 was am inside job and we didnt land on the moon. Show me a shread of proof and then I'll listen. Heck those conspiracy theories have more proof than you have lol.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I think ideal/ maybe realistic scenario (just don't see Vanek as realistic because even if Lou geta a favorable deal, I don't see Vanek extending which makes it worthless trade).

RFAs resigned, Volch somehow moved and then using the extra cap to sign Grabo for 2 years and Jagr to one. Back to being deep at forward again. We can run Pete's system to a tee and control the puck for large portions of the game, and enough talent spread around to score enough goals.

That would definitely make sure we don't give up a lottery pick this year, or even a low playoff pick.

 

[Tundra]

I don't hate anyone.... nothing but love in my heart.. didn't read anything after that.

Jim, your lifestyle trumps mine at least. Beautiful, beautiful scenery I might add. That's the way man was meant to live.

 

[aboriginal]

jim is a nelwin.

 

[JimEIV]

Last year we had no one he had to. Under Maclean everyone was hurt we had to. You can believe what you want just like people believe that 9/11 was am inside job and we didnt land on the moon. Show me a shread of proof and then I'll listen. Heck those conspiracy theories have more proof than you have lol.

I guess it's just a very strange coincidence. Wonder why Lemaire didn't use Gaborik in any sort of similar fashion in Minnesota. Probably because he had so many talented forwards at his disposal?

 

[Benedict Parisechuk]

Maybe in a few days we can. Right now we have a big disturbance in the Force to deal with, and other than drinking myself into oblivion, debating it here seems like a reasonable alternative.

There's already been like 5 threads about him since the bomb dropped Thursday. It's been beaten to death already and its just ending up with everyone arguing with each other. I hear ya about the drinking part though, thank god this is happening over a weekend

I think ideal/ maybe realistic scenario (just don't see Vanek as realistic because even if Lou geta a favorable deal, I don't see Vanek extending which makes it worthless trade).

RFAs resigned, Volch somehow moved and then using the extra cap to sign Grabo for 2 years and Jagr to one. Back to being deep at forward again. We can run Pete's system to a tee and control the puck for large portions of the game, and enough talent spread around to score enough goals.

That would definitely make sure we don't give up a lottery pick this year, or even a low playoff pick.

Brunner is signing here unless that Swiss reporter and TG are trolling us which would be almost criminal after what we've been put through these last 2 days.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I guess it's just a very strange coincidence. Wonder why Lemaire didn't use Gaborik in any sort of similar fashion in Minnesota. Probably because he had so many talented forwards at his disposal?

Probably because his bones are made of glass and he's not 6'3 230 pounds. Also he's not even close to as good as Kovy and doesn't play the point.

 

[Baggy Spandex]

Would that be the first Devils player named Damian?

 

[Tundra]

Probably because his bones are made of glass and he's not 6'3 230 pounds. Also he's not even close to as good as Kovy and doesn't play the point.

How was Kovy 6-3" 230? heavy bones and lower trunk? I was always shocked when they read out his bios. Not that I didn't believe it but 230 would be kinda chunky for his build.

 

[SeidoN]

Brunners first goal in gif. very lovely.