2013 New Jersey Devils (Team/Player Discussion)-Offseason FA and trade talk Part XII

[Bleedred]

Elias is a better overall player than Kovalchuk. Kovalchuk is the better offensive talent for sure, but Elias is the complete package. Elias will be in the HOF too, and Kovalchuk will go down as one of the most disgraced players in the NHL, if not hockey.

 

[Tundra]

Yes a 36 soon to be 37 year old Elias is far superior to Kovalchuk in every facet of the game still today.

Shooting?
Goal-scoring Ability?
Speed?
Puckhandling?

REALLY?

Why didn't Patrik get selected #1 overall if he was so gifted?

 

[MasterofGrond]

Why did Lidstrom go in the 3rd round?

Why was Brodeur selected 20th overall?

Why was Martin St. Louis not drafted at all?

 

[Bleedred]

I disagree with Elias. It's not like teams were salivating over him during free agency (although there are rumors that Detroit really wanted him). If Kovalchuk was a free agent this summer, he would have teams lining up for his services. Patty has been one of my favorite players since he came into the league, but Kovalchuk was a game-changer. He could completely change the complexion of a game when he was healthy.

Kovalchuk didn't change a whole lot of games this season. That's one thing I ranted about last night when saying he looked like another piece of space junk for a lot of the season, which was due to his heart and head not being in it, not injury or ailment.

Kovalchuk changed one game this season. The Washington game in February which was Marty's last game before injury. Washington was in the toilet still during that time period, and we also got some generous calls our way during the 3rd period that game. I remember one other game where he killed off a penalty all by himself. I think it was before the Marty injury and the slide. Kovalchuk would not be in heavy demand after pulling a stunt like this either.

 

[Benedict Parisechuk]

Shooting?
Goal-scoring Ability?
Speed?
Puckhandling?

REALLY?

Why didn't Patrik get selected #1 overall if he was so gifted?

How long have you been a "fan" of this team for?

 

[Devils Dominion]

Who has really seen a lot of Brunner with the Wings last season?

Is he the real deal as far as a NHL goal scorer?

Have to be real smart about signing him or not with the 2014 FA class having so many good options.

 

[Nick0930]

Shooting?
Goal-scoring Ability?
Speed?
Puckhandling?

REALLY?

Why didn't Patrik get selected #1 overall if he was so gifted?

Elias has had a better shooting % the last two seasons.

 

[JimEIV]

I disagree with Elias. It's not like teams were salivating over him during free agency (although there are rumors that Detroit really wanted him). If Kovalchuk was a free agent this summer, he would have teams lining up for his services. Patty has been one of my favorite players since he came into the league, but Kovalchuk was a game-changer. He could completely change the complexion of a game when he was healthy.

I'm so sick of these baseless terms like game-changer, dynamic, beast, or whatever the heck the cliche of the day is....look at the numbers the guy has been on the ice for more goals against than for his entire career.... you know what happens when this is the case and you play 26 minutes? You miss the playoffs 2 out of 3 years.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

A 36 year old Elias versus a 30 year old Kovalchuk? Really? They would want Elias? 20+ indicating 2/3rds of the league? If your hypothesis is true, then why didn't a bidding war ensue over Elias' services that were widely available?

how do you know they didn't?

 

[Tundra]

How long have you been a "fan" of this team for?

Since 1992. But that's not important. The fact is that Kovalchuk is being trashed in a revisionist manner and Elias is being augmented for his loyalty. They aren't very comparable on the ice. Kovalchuk was an elite talent while Patrik was a good player for many years. Extremely solid but nowhere near Kovy's resume. Kovalchuk has compiled (2) 50 goal seasons and (2) 40 goal seasons. Patrik just had one. Something is not like the other.

 

[Tundra]

I'm so sick of these baseless terms like game-changer, dynamic, beast, or whatever the heck the cliche of the day is....look at the numbers the guy has been on the ice for more goals against than for his entire career.... you know what happens when this is case and you play 26 minutes? You miss the playoffs 2 out of 3 years.

And who was throwing him out there for 26 minutes? Let's think here. Why was he playing so many minutes if he was garbage? Why didn't Elias take his minutes if he was so superior? I'd like an answer Jim. Why wasn't Elias stealing minutes from Kovy?

 

[Devils Dominion]

I would take Patrik anyday in any situation (aside from the shootout) over Quitterchuk.

 

[JimEIV]

Since 1992. But that's not important. The fact is that Kovalchuk is being trashed in a revisionist manner and Elias is being augmented for his loyalty. They aren't very comparable on the ice. Kovalchuk was an elite talent while Patrik was a good player for many years. Extremely solid but nowhere near Kovy's resume. Kovalchuk has compiled (2) 50 goal seasons and (2) 40 goal seasons. Patrik just had one. Something is not like the other.

Really? Is that you judge a player?

You open hockeyDB run down the stat line and then check NHL 2013 ranking???? Is that how you are doing this? Please.

 

[Tundra]

Really? Is that you judge a player?

You open hockeyDB run down the stat line and then check NHL 2013 ranking???? Is that how you are doing this? Please.

Answer Post #411. Why was Kovalchuk playing 26 minutes a game in a myriad of situations as opposed to Elias's 18 minutes? Why was Pete DeBoer that stubborn to ignore Patrik's overall brilliance? Was he over enamored with dynamic players? LOL

 

[Benedict Parisechuk]

Since 1992. But that's not important. The fact is that Kovalchuk is being trashed in a revisionist manner and Elias is being augmented for his loyalty. They aren't very comparable on the ice. Kovalchuk was an elite talent while Patrik was a good player for many years. Extremely solid but nowhere near Kovy's resume. Kovalchuk has compiled (2) 50 goal seasons and (2) 40 goal seasons. Patrik just had one. Something is not like the other.

You realize that you basically hijack every thread and turn it into a pissing match right? Between the Clowe thread last week, the Kovy taxes stuff or whatever the hell it was yesterday, and now this, your building up quite a resume.

 

[JimEIV]

I did that too when I was 12... but with hockey cards...didn"t have interwebs back then and the only game station was Atari.

 

[glenwo2]

I would take Patrik anyday in any situation (aside from the shootout) over Quitterchuk.

I call him "Traitorchuk" myself.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

this dude is literally the worst

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Quitterchuk was our best player I believe. Hate his guts but he was. He may have been misused but that's not his fault. He's better than patty I'm sorry. I love patty and he's got a way better 2 way game but Kovy was better.

 

[Tundra]

You realize that you basically hijack every thread and turn it into a pissing match right? Between the Clowe thread last week, the Kovy taxes stuff or whatever the hell it was yesterday, and now this, your building up quite a resume.

I like Jim, but he's just plain wrong.

 

[Devils Trap]

I like Jim, but he's just plain wrong.

Actually, most people would agree that your the one whose wrong. Elias is and has been this team's best player. There is more to hockey then just offense and Patty shows it.

If you have the choice between the 2, you take Elias

If offense was the only thing that mattered Tedenby wouldnt actually be garbage

 

[Benedict Parisechuk]

I like Jim, but he's just plain wrong.

Its ok to have an opinion and all, especially around here, but when about 99% of the posters here disagree with you, you should probably take that as the queue to give it a rest.

 

[JimEIV]

Answer Post #411. Why was Kovalchuk playing 26 minutes a game in a myriad of situations as opposed to Elias's 18 minutes? Why was Pete DeBoer that stubborn to ignore Patrik's overall brilliance? Was he over enamored with dynamic players? LOL

Because he is selfish and would sulk otherwise... they couldn't afford go have their 100 million dollar man sulking in a corner.

When the A-line was the best line in the league and Elias was the 2nd leading scorer in the entire league no one played sort of minutes except for Stevens.

 

[Tundra]

Actually, most people would agree that your the one whose wrong. Elias is and has been this team's best player. There is more to hockey then just offense and Patty shows it.

If you have the choice between the 2, you take Elias

If offense was the only thing that mattered Tedenby wouldnt actually be garbage

You're insinuating that Kovalchuk defensively is poor, when he took great strides in that department and became quite a weapon on the PK. Offensively, Kovalchuk is a clear tier or two above Patrik. Other teams do not gameplan around Patrik as shown by the rapid drop in goal production ( I believe a .85 drop in team goal production during that period) when Kovalchuk hurt his shoulder in late March.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

just because he scored on the PK does not mean he was good defensively.