Speculation: 2013 Leafs Trades, Proposals, and Free Agent Talk XXI

[Kyle Doobas*]

Is he the best GM when it comes to SIGNING contracts? yes and it's not close. (sedins, burrows, kesler, edler, hamhuis).

Yeah, he really hit it out of the park with the Luongo deal.

Srsly though, while you have to give him credit for locking up the 'main' core (Sedins + Kesler) at a very reasonable price, how on Earth is Burrows @ $4.5M/year anything to boast about? Edler @ $5M seems pretty standard based on what he's accomplished so far, Hamhuis wanted to play in Vancouver and took less to go there.... wouldn't exactly brand Gillis the runaway winner as far as signing contracts, especially when the one he's likely to be remembered for is one of the worst in the history of the NHL.

 

[Diatomic]

is he a dick? yes
Can he be arrogant for no reason? yes
Is he awful at trading? Mostly, Yes.
Did he badly mishandle the luongo situation?, Yes
Is he the best GM when it comes to SIGNING contracts? yes and it's not close. (sedins, burrows, kesler, edler, hamhuis).

Every GM has it's good and bad, GMMG is no different.

Nonis or Gillis, who would you rather have as the Canucks GM right now?

 

[Canucks LB]

Lol that's a lot of bad.

Yes it is, he is not the best GM in the world, but hes no feaster

 

[Doug Gilmour]

There are too many rumors for something big not to go down, but I have been known to be wrong before

 

[Canucks LB]

Nonis or Gillis, who would you rather have as the Canucks GM right now?

Honestly, Neither.

Nonis is the better GM at trading no doubt, he is also more respected.
Gillis is more of a contract master (minus 1 awful luongo deal). He has a ton of baggage.

I think the canucks need somebody completely off the board as a GM, Dono a name tho.

Also I think nonis is doing a great job in toronto

 

[dimi78]

Lol, yes I have been paying attention. Some of these trade rumours are because of the cap going down i.e. cap max team trying to trade for cap relief. Therefore you would think that it would have the makings for more trades as teams try to shed salary.

Also with the draft all happening in one day i would think the GM's would want to make trades today as to not get caught by the time constraints of tomorrow.

Actually no it doesn't cause it's money they want to shed that's what's in play here not youth/picks on the cheap. Few teams are willing trade there top prospects for these players and since a fair hockey trade is out of the question due to the cap what we have here is a scenario where there's more than usual of top notch players available with very little in regards to buyers cause they can't make it work with the cap going down.

There's very little in the FAIR value trades out there for these named players to be traded thus why Nonis said and I quote " That there's a high amount of big named players with very LITTLE TAKERS".

 

[rumman]

time to pour a tall rum and wait for the fireworks to begin, my guess is by 8:00 pm the show will begin for real, will the Leafs be in the fray, who knows?

 

[Jacob8hockey*]

Honestly, Neither.

Nonis is the better GM at trading no doubt, he is also more respected.
Gillis is more of a contract master (minus 1 awful luongo deal). He has a ton of baggage.
I think the canucks need somebody completely off the board as a GM, Dono a name tho.

Also I think nonis is doing a great job in toronto

I wouldn't say that when literally everyone player has a NTC/NMC, 40k in cap space, UFA/RFA to sign, 14 players with 2 goalies signed, and an average of like 4.5m per contract.

http://capgeek.com/canucks/

 

[JMcLeaf]

I'd love to get Edler. The cost is probably scary though.

 

[Canucks LB]

I wouldn't say that when literally everyone player has a NTC/NMC, 40k in cap space, UFA/RFA to sign, 14 players with 2 goalies signed, and an average of like 4.5m per contract.

http://capgeek.com/canucks/

Sedins 6.1 (Just about to go UFA) <-- would get 7.5m+ on the market easy
Kesler 5m (RFA) (would get 6.75m on the market easy)
Burrows 2m (RFA) (will get 4m (as he does now)
Edler 5m (About to go UFA) <-- honestly just redic deal lol (would get 7m on the market easy)
Hamhuis 4.5m (UFA) (Would get 6m on the market)

All great contracts, all on good deals.

Even guys like malholtra(UFA) at 2.5m (before his injury), torres(UFA) was 2m I think during the cup run.

Without gillis we would have lost 2 of those 5 guys if we overpaid either.

Contracts is the one thing the canucks do well

 

[Kyle Doobas*]

@ Edler 'easily' getting $7M

 

[Drew311]

Yes it is, he is not the best GM in the world, but hes no feaster

I think we can all agree on that.

 

[Canucks LB]

@ Edler getting $7M

have you seen the UFA market this year?

Edler would make BANK

One of the worst free agent markets in history

 

[joffreyLUUPUL]

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet but :O

Bob McKenzie: Penguins Kris Letang’s agent, Kent Hughes on reports that the Maple Leafs are his preferred destination: â€We haven’t discussed the Toronto Maple Leafs. Period. Our focus has been on trying to conclude a deal with Pittsburgh.â€

Chris Nichols of SportsNet: Pittsburgh Tribune-Review’s Rob Rossi said on the Fan 590 that Kris Letang’s preferred destination if he doesn’t re-sign with the Penguins is the Toronto Maple Leafs. He also added that he’s not saying the Leafs have spoken with the Penguins and doesn’t mean a trade will happen. Sources say that if the Penguins were going to trade him they would want an NHL player, at least one top prospect and a potential first round pick.

Probably going to be at least Gardiner and Kule etc

Darren Dreger of TSN: Players that are available for the right price: Dion Phaneuf, David Perron, Dave Bolland, Ales Hemsky, Shawn Horcoff and Roberto Luongo. Not to mention the possibility of Kris Letang. The Oilers and Maple Leafs are eager to make trades. The Leafs, Canadiens and Red Wings will be interested in Vincent Lecavalier and could offer up a 3-year deal in the $4.5 to $5 million range.

BUT

Rob Longley: Maple Leafs GM Dave Nonis on moving up at the draft: “Our scouts feel there will be a quality playe at 21.â€

 

[thewave]

Sedins 6.1 (Just about to go UFA) <-- would get 7.5m+ on the market easy
Kesler 5m (RFA) (would get 6.75m on the market easy)
Burrows 2m (RFA) (will get 4m (as he does now)
Edler 5m (About to go UFA) <-- honestly just redic deal lol (would get 7m on the market easy)
Hamhuis 4.5m (UFA) (Would get 6m on the market)

All great contracts, all on good deals.

Even guys like malholtra(UFA) at 2.5m (before his injury), torres(UFA) was 2m I think during the cup run.

Without gillis we would have lost 2 of those 5 guys if we overpaid either.

Contracts is the one thing the canucks do well

With all due respect, no. They used loopholes and are about lose their chance. There are better teams in the west now. It worked for a time the time has passed.

 

[Kyle Doobas*]

One of the worst free agent markets in history

..therefore we should use it to gauge what a guy should appropriately receive on the open market?

 

[Canucks LB]

..therefore we should use it to gauge what a guy should appropriately receive on the open market?

absolutely, The worst the market, the more players get who are on it. Edler would be one of t he only potential elite players available, and hes big, and he hits, and he is a D-man.

Some people would give him 7m, I have no doubt in my mind.

 

[Canucks LB]

With all due respect, no. They used loopholes and are about lose their chance. There are better teams in the west now. It worked for a time the time has passed.

Oh I agree, I was just mentioning the ONE aspect gillis is good at.

Overall, he has been poor

 

[Jacob8hockey*]

Sedins 6.1 (Just about to go UFA) <-- would get 7.5m+ on the market easy
Kesler 5m (RFA) (would get 6.75m on the market easy)
Burrows 2m (RFA) (will get 4m (as he does now)
Edler 5m (About to go UFA) <-- honestly just redic deal lol (would get 7m on the market easy)
Hamhuis 4.5m (UFA) (Would get 6m on the market)

All great contracts, all on good deals.

Even guys like malholtra(UFA) at 2.5m (before his injury), torres(UFA) was 2m I think during the cup run.

Without gillis we would have lost 2 of those 5 guys if we overpaid either.

Contracts is the one thing the canucks do well

RFA won't/don't get UFA money and they do not get what is "market value". Again, the reason there are discounts is the NMC/NTC which pretty much gives them that extra security. Takes away from the value of the contract

 

[Duffman955]

Sedins 6.1 (Just about to go UFA) <-- would get 7.5m+ on the market easy
Kesler 5m (RFA) (would get 6.75m on the market easy)
Burrows 2m (RFA) (will get 4m (as he does now)
Edler 5m (About to go UFA) <-- honestly just redic deal lol (would get 7m on the market easy)
Hamhuis 4.5m (UFA) (Would get 6m on the market)

All great contracts, all on good deals.

Even guys like malholtra(UFA) at 2.5m (before his injury), torres(UFA) was 2m I think during the cup run.

Without gillis we would have lost 2 of those 5 guys if we overpaid either.

Contracts is the one thing the canucks do well

OOOOkkkaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay there buddy.

 

[Canucks LB]

OOOOkkkaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay there buddy.

God I hate posts like this, at least explain and debate what I said that you disagree with.

 

[Canucks LB]

RFA won't/don't get UFA money and they do not get what is "market value". Again, the reason there are discounts is the NMC/NTC which pretty much gives them that extra security. Takes away from the value of the contract

I agree, but you assume they all have full NTC/NMC, most are limited, I know for a fact that hamhuis NTC is limited to 20 teams, only a few he does not wanna get traded 2.

 

[Pyromaniac3]

Anyone interested in Coburn?

Guy is 28, plays safe 20 minutes, could be good beside Gards.

Certainly would give up 21st overall for him.

 

[Duffman955]

Anyone interested in Coburn?

Guy is 28, plays safe 20 minutes, could be good beside Gards.

Certainly would give up 21st overall for him.

Would be interested, but I would rather keep the first and sign Scuderi/Ference

 

[Kyle Doobas*]

absolutely, The worst the market, the more players get who are on it. Edler would be one of t he only potential elite players available, and hes big, and he hits, and he is a D-man.

Some people would give him 7m, I have no doubt in my mind.

I know every team has their fan favourites/overvalued players, but Edler doesn't play against top competition, starts in the offensive zone more often than any other defenseman on his team, receives significantly more PP minutes than any other defenseman on his team (and scores about half his points that way), doesn't play on the top PK.... I mean come on. He's a good defenseman and I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't like him on their team, but let's be reality. He's not even a proven #1 defenseman at this point, let alone a top defenseman in the league worthy of $7M/year.

The fact that some bonehead might overpay for him doesn't necessarily mean he's worth that, or that signing him for what he's more realistically worth makes Gillis some maniacal contract-negotiating genius.