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2013 Free Agency & Offseason Thread II

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cnshockey said:
When NHL insiders, who break almost EVERY trade and signing to happen, agree that Iginla to the Stars was all but a foregone conclusion, I'll tend to agree with them. Again, things change. If Alfie came back, it was a foregone conclusion it was with the Sens. NO ONE thought it'd be with another team. Things change. Get it?
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I do get it, but you don't. Is he in Dallas?
 
Reclamation Project said:
Nathan "Made of Glass" Horton is now making more than Jeff Carter. Think about that. Hell David Clarkson is making as much as him. That should tell you everything about the free agent market...
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Carter makes more than Horton for each of the next 6 seasons. You mean that Carter has a lower cap hit than Horton, which is not the same thing as who makes more money. FYI, over the next 7 seasons, the salaries are:

Carter: $41.75 mil
Horton: $37.1 mil
Clarkson: $36.75 mil
 
Sam said:
Carter makes more than Horton for each of the next 6 seasons. You mean that Carter has a lower cap hit than Horton, which is not the same thing as who makes more money. FYI, over the next 7 seasons, the salaries are:

Carter: $41.75 mil
Horton: $37.1 mil
Clarkson: $36.75 mil
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Holy crap. Horton and Clarkson are making a looot.
 
Live in the Now said:
What were the Kings supposed to do, create cap space out of thin air? The most expendable guy we had to create cap space with just had a seizure. You guys wanted a core and you got one, so don't go complaining about this now. The core and prospects the Kings have developed (also what everyone wanted) to become part of that core took up our room.

And no, we're not a worse hockey team on paper. Dean says that Willie Mitchell is healthy. Any Willie Mitchell that we've ever had is better than any Rob Scuderi we've ever had. Furthermore, we traded an excess piece for a forward who can score at a better rate than any of our other bottom six guys. Then, further to that point, we have a young winger in Toffoli who has been getting better at a rapid pace. Matt Greene will also be in game shape once things start this time around.

So no, it's not worse by any stretch, and it is still the best team in the division. Point blank period.
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Bang on. Bang, ****ing, on.

A healthy Mitchell replacing Scuderi, healthy Regehr, healthy Quick, a full season of Toffoli, and Frattin who can be no less productive than Penner. I don't know what's not to like.

The argument that drives me the most up the wall is when people around here start screaming because they see the Edmonton freaking Oilers or whoever signing a couple guys and use that fact to claim they've "closed the gap," and we're losing ground to them. It rarely works that way. Its why the phrase "on paper" even exists. Coaching, management, the system, the locker room, the culture, they all need to have some influence over the shiny new players a GM throws money at. Otherise its just EA sports and you can sim the pretty little team you've built. It makes me cringe hearing what sounds like panicked ramblings about 3 or 4 Western teams bringing in 3 or 4 players. How weak is our faith in the squad, I mean really?

This January we entered the season with a team inescapably worse than the team we won the cup with last June. No Mitchell, no Greene, Kopitar missed time, and Quick was shaky. We more a more consistent team and finished 5th, a Lombardi best. Our team, as it stands now, is BETTER than at the beginning of this season. Again, what the hell is not to like?

I'm hoping for an interesting new #2LW, be it Pearson or some mercenary journeyman, as much as most of us, but if the started tomorrow I'd be cool with what we have.

kingsfan28 said:
It wouldn't be a free agent season without Matt Barry repeating his annual schtick :
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He's nothing but an elevated member of the mob. His inflammatory drivel only proves he doesn't understand the bigger picture, he doesn't understand the smaller picture, he doesn't understand the salary cap, and ultimately doesn't understand hockey.
 
Bernier gets paid

Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS 38s
Jonathan Bernier sign with Maple Leafs. 2 years / $5.8M #RDS
 
Good for him. Absolutely deserves the opportunity he has now and he will for sure earn that money.
 
Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS 3m

Jonathan Bernier sign with Maple Leafs. 2 years / $5.8M #RDS

Edit: beaten to the punch!
 
Someone PLEASE chime in on this for me:

1) Let's say, hypothetically, Dean really wants Jagr this year, and Jagr wants to play in LA. Jagr is getting offers of $4 million per year from some other GM but doesn't really want to play there but he will if that his best offer. Knowing the cap is 99% going back up to about $70 million next year, why can;t Dean and Jagr say "Ok let's just sign you for $1 million this year so you fit under the cap, and half way through the season we'll extend you for 2 more years and overpay you a bit to make up for this year at $5.5 per year"

Legal?
 
KingsFirstCup said:
Someone PLEASE chime in on this for me:

1) Let's say, hypothetically, Dean really wants Jagr this year, and Jagr wants to play in LA. Jagr is getting offers of $4 million per year from some other GM but doesn't really want to play there but he will if that his best offer. Knowing the cap is 99% going back up to about $70 million next year, why can;t Dean and Jagr say "Ok let's just sign you for $1 million this year so you fit under the cap, and half way through the season we'll extend you for 2 more years and overpay you a bit to make up for this year at $5.5 per year"

Legal?
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Legal. But incredibly stupid if we're talking Jagr.
 
KingsFirstCup said:
Someone PLEASE chime in on this for me:

1) Let's say, hypothetically, Dean really wants Jagr this year, and Jagr wants to play in LA. Jagr is getting offers of $4 million per year from some other GM but doesn't really want to play there but he will if that his best offer. Knowing the cap is 99% going back up to about $70 million next year, why can;t Dean and Jagr say "Ok let's just sign you for $1 million this year so you fit under the cap, and half way through the season we'll extend you for 2 more years and overpay you a bit to make up for this year at $5.5 per year"

Legal?
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I think it would be technically illegal but would be practically impossible to prove unless someone was dumb enough to put it in writing a la Joe Smith and the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Besides, if the Kings wanted to sign Jagr, they would do a deal similar to Iginla's deal with Boston. A low base salary, a large, easy-to-reach games played bonus, and another smaller performance bonus.
 
Primakov! said:
It's been done before (Kariya and Selanne in Colorado) but you get a lot of grief from the Player's Association as well who don't like to see deals of that sort being consummated.
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I figured it was something along these lines or the player might think the team would go back on their word if they get injured that first year. But I'd do it if I was in a situation like LA is right now. We lost to Chicago because our top two lines didn;t have enough scoring. Yes the Kopi line sucked but the Carter line didn;t even have a chance with King and Toffoli on there
 
KingsFirstCup said:
Why? He's making more in the long run for the team he wants to play for. Explain your reasoning
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Because there's no guarantee the team keeps their word. And players want more money guaranteed. Plus, what if he has a down year? What if he really just SUCKS? That offer still going to be there? What if he gets injured? Then there's the uncertainty. If you settle in to a place thinking you're going to get an extension and don't, you could lose a lot of money in buying a house. It's just never really going to happen unless the player is desperate.
 
Sam said:
I think it would be technically illegal but practically would be impossible to prove unless someone was dumb enough to put it in writing a la Joe Smith and the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Besides, if the Kings wanted to sign Jagr, they would do a deal similar to Iginla's deal with Boston. A low base salary, a large, easy-to-reach games played bonus, and another smaller performance bonus.
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But that still all counts toward the cap which we don't have the room to do
 
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