2013 Free Agency & Offseason Thread II
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Albi
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He'll be in Sutter's doghouse in a matter of 2 months IMO. Prospal would have the same chance.
Sutter would have to be on crack to bench Jagr. The guy gives it his all ,all the time.
Face Wash
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If the Kings sign their 5 RFAs they'll have about $1.4M left. Pretty sure JJ68 is out of their price range unless it's $1M with $3M in bonuses and even then, it leaves the Kings with little or nothing cap space-wise and all for yet another RW.
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Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
I see us signing maybe three RFAs, maybe four, and dealing one or two or sending one down to the AHL if possible. Preferably I'd like to see us sign three and have Penner sign as a UFA for cheap, and then dealing King while sending down Muzzin and Ellerby if possible.
Face Wash
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I will be stunned if King is dealt. People on this board hate the guy but Sutter loves him. If he didn't, he wouldn't have played in every playoff game, with or without the injuries Sutter loves him fior how he plays. He plays the game the way Sutter wants the team to play and he's still cheap.
Who gets traded? Martinez? If so, I can guarantee that both Muzzin and Ellerby won't be sent down. One probably but not both. All this is not much of a savings of money. Penner better be willing to play for bonus money. Kings don't have more than $1.25M for him guaranteed cap hit.
If the Kings want to trade a replaceable player that can give them a few bucks while allowing them to sign all of their RFAs, it's Colin Fraser. But again, Lombardi and Sutter are big on continuity in the room, and having lost 2, maybe 3 guys (Penner) from the room, I don't think they're going to go out of their way to lose more players from the recent roster.
Basically you're positing that it's either Fraser or Penner and a bag of pucks (or whatever DL gets for trading Fraser). I've been as pissed at Penner's inconsistency as anybody else, but Fraser, while a great character guy, contributes decent defense against third and fourth liners, and NO offense whatsoever. Not knocking him, but we already have Nolan, King, and a bunch of rookies that can do that, plus pot a couple. Easy choice for me. How many pucks come in a bag?
Stupid Sexy Flanders
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Two more points:
If King was slow (as some say) he would be caught out of position all the time. He's not slow. (He might look slow in his movements.)
He creates a lot of space for his linemates and pinching d-men and shooting lanes. He usually draws one of the d-men into the corner or outside the dot. That's why it works to play him with Richards and Carter.
damacles1156
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Dwight King is not going anywhere, he plays the weakest position on the Kings for NHL ready roster players (LW).
He has 80 NHL games under his belt and 38 playoff games.
He is responsible Defensively, he does what Sutter asks (played every game basically) .
He is cheap 750k under contract, and cost controlled.
I would expect more out of King coming this next season. Just about every NHL player to ever play the game, has had a sophomore slump.
Same Goes for Nolan, and I would expect A-Mart to bounce back as well (Career worse year).
He has 80 NHL games under his belt and 38 playoff games.
He is responsible Defensively, he does what Sutter asks (played every game basically) .
He is cheap 750k under contract, and cost controlled.
I would expect more out of King coming this next season. Just about every NHL player to ever play the game, has had a sophomore slump.
Same Goes for Nolan, and I would expect A-Mart to bounce back as well (Career worse year).
One d will be traded or waived for sure and possibly Colin Fraser. The additions of Frattin and Toffoli full time could push Lewis into the 4th like center role.
In terms of d, a team can only have 3 healthy scratches and I don't see the Kings making them all defenseman.
In terms of d, a team can only have 3 healthy scratches and I don't see the Kings making them all defenseman.
gtwyc
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i love jagr as much as anyone else. but he does not play defense. thats not his game and thank god it isnt. hes obviously lost a step but hes still a productive offensive player. that being said i would rather him not sign here. and i doubt he signs with another team as committed to team defense as the kings or the bruins.
i think Anaheim would be a great fit for him. he better not ****in sign with the ducks
damacles1156
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I just read Boyd Gordon's contract....3 mill, All these third line Centers make 3mill hmmm.
I thought he would have gone for 2 or 2.5, that is quite the raise for Boyd.
Good for him.
I thought he would have gone for 2 or 2.5, that is quite the raise for Boyd.
Good for him.
rajuabju
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King is not going anywhere. Him scoring multiple goals in the 2012 playoffs was an anomaly. But he fits the bill for a 3rd/4th line LW perfectly for us. Big, hits hard, responsible on D, and can pot a goal here and there. Plus he's relatively cheap and young. Plays Sutter style hockey.
Same goes for Fraser. he's a 4th line C, and plays his role well. Who would you have replace him? Put Stoll there? Or just trade for another Fraser-like player (or sign a UFA?) Why? I suppose you could have Lewis be our #4C?
I wouldnt mind bringing Penner back if its for under $2M, and slot him on the 3rd line with Stoll, allowing Toffoli to play on the 2nd line. But thats only if its another 1 year deal.
More important than ALL of the above is Mitchell's status. I am very concerned, even if he does come back. He's going to be 37 by the time the 2014 playoffs roll around. After over a year away from Hockey, and at his age, I dont know what kind of player he'll be. No matter what we do, our D is going to be an issue this year. Outside of Doughty, Voynov and Greene, I dont love any of our current options.
Same goes for Fraser. he's a 4th line C, and plays his role well. Who would you have replace him? Put Stoll there? Or just trade for another Fraser-like player (or sign a UFA?) Why? I suppose you could have Lewis be our #4C?
I wouldnt mind bringing Penner back if its for under $2M, and slot him on the 3rd line with Stoll, allowing Toffoli to play on the 2nd line. But thats only if its another 1 year deal.
More important than ALL of the above is Mitchell's status. I am very concerned, even if he does come back. He's going to be 37 by the time the 2014 playoffs roll around. After over a year away from Hockey, and at his age, I dont know what kind of player he'll be. No matter what we do, our D is going to be an issue this year. Outside of Doughty, Voynov and Greene, I dont love any of our current options.
etherialone
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You are bang on with King.
He was never expected to be more than a utility bottom 6er and he does a good enough job at it all things considered. He also has more game then most of us are giving him credit for in that he was played out of position (top 6 lw is not his forte) often and in situations that rookies always seem to have a hard time picking up or most of them do anyways.
He is fine for what he is supposed to do and I even see a bit of room for him to develop still.
Just a thought... was reading up on the Edmonton section about what they're looking at doing in the off season... as a Kings fan.... it never occurred to me that some teams may target the kings bottom six RFA's, but I have to remember that the Kings are good now and proved this year that winning the cup wasn't a fluke.
RFA's yet to sign
Clifford
Nolan
Lewis
Martines
Muzzin
Offer sheets aren't that common, but I could see Clifford/Nolan traded and the Kings trying to match offers on Lewis/Muzzin... makes the Ellerby and Schultz signings make sense..
I'm sure this is just paranoia and no team like Vancouver/Blues/Sharks would start throwing 2 mill offers at the RFA's with the intent to weaken the Kings D
RFA's yet to sign
Clifford
Nolan
Lewis
Martines
Muzzin
Offer sheets aren't that common, but I could see Clifford/Nolan traded and the Kings trying to match offers on Lewis/Muzzin... makes the Ellerby and Schultz signings make sense..
I'm sure this is just paranoia and no team like Vancouver/Blues/Sharks would start throwing 2 mill offers at the RFA's with the intent to weaken the Kings D
KingsFan7824
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Not counting King's first infamous call up, he's played 74 games, with 9 goals, and 24 points. That's not a terrible rookie season.
As for the defense, there's no reason to rush anything. Wait until training camp to make the decisions. The right side is set, and is one of the better right side defenses in the league. The left side is a work in progress.
Look what the Kings had to work with last year. Mitchell obviously done before the year started, and Greene out in the first game. That left the Kings with Doughty, Voynov, and Scuderi. With Muzzin, Drewiske, Martinez, then Ellerby, and eventually Regehr rounding out the lineup. Before Regehr the Kings were 20-12-3. That was with no training camp, and having to deal with Greene's early injury after finding out Mitchell wouldn't play. In addition to that, Quick was playing himself back into shape after his surgery.
They pay coaches for a reason. It's to make things work with what they have available. If anyone had said that Mitchell and Greene would play 5 combined games, and that Martinez wouldn't be what he was in the 2012 playoffs, would anyone have picked the Kings to finish 5th in the conference in 2013? 1 point away from home ice? In the top 10 in GA?
As for the defense, there's no reason to rush anything. Wait until training camp to make the decisions. The right side is set, and is one of the better right side defenses in the league. The left side is a work in progress.
Look what the Kings had to work with last year. Mitchell obviously done before the year started, and Greene out in the first game. That left the Kings with Doughty, Voynov, and Scuderi. With Muzzin, Drewiske, Martinez, then Ellerby, and eventually Regehr rounding out the lineup. Before Regehr the Kings were 20-12-3. That was with no training camp, and having to deal with Greene's early injury after finding out Mitchell wouldn't play. In addition to that, Quick was playing himself back into shape after his surgery.
They pay coaches for a reason. It's to make things work with what they have available. If anyone had said that Mitchell and Greene would play 5 combined games, and that Martinez wouldn't be what he was in the 2012 playoffs, would anyone have picked the Kings to finish 5th in the conference in 2013? 1 point away from home ice? In the top 10 in GA?
Winger23
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Let's be honest, the reason the kings made it as far as they did was quick. I'm not going to blame just the bottom 6 guys as there were guys on the top line not doing anything. If the kings are going to address their scoring woes they need to find a LW for the 2nd line, bumping Franton to the third and letting king and Clifford fight for the 4th.
SettlementRichie10
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Little off topic at this point, but Jagr is the last guy we should be looking to add if we're wanting to get faster.
I think the franchise should start looking at a potential conversion of Toffoli or Carter to LW and very meticulous development of Zykov and Frattin.
I think the franchise should start looking at a potential conversion of Toffoli or Carter to LW and very meticulous development of Zykov and Frattin.
cyclones22
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Agreed. As much as I want an upgrade over King, we have to remember that there was no training camp for the kids to benefit from last season and not a lot of practice time because of the compressed schedule. I am pulling for both King and Nolan to bounce back.
The Tikkanen
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This is usually when Lombardi pulls off a pretty big trade and makes almost all King fans happy. I say "almost" to make my statement factual.
SettlementRichie10
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We already excel at puck possession, though. Chicago beat us because they were faster. DL sees that, which is why he targeted Frattin in the Bernier deal.
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