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2013 Free Agency & Offseason Thread II

I gotta come out of the closet and defend Dwight King a little bit here.

He's *always* in the right place on the ice. O- and D-zones. Just super reliable in his positioning. I'm sure that's why the coaches love him. And there's a lot to be said for that. It is this quality that has separated him from Nolan.

I expect he'll be the 3rd line LW and I think it's a perfectly good call.

Plus he's too young (in NHL time) to believe that he's not going to get better.

We oughta have a dedicated thread for talking about King.
 
Stupid Sexy Flanders said:
I gotta come out of the closet and defend Dwight King a little bit here.

He's *always* in the right place on the ice. O- and D-zones. Just super reliable in his positioning. I'm sure that's why the coaches love him. And there's a lot to be said for that. It is this quality that has separated him from Nolan.

I expect he'll be the 3rd line LW and I think it's a perfectly good call.

Plus he's too young (in NHL time) to believe that he's not going to get better.

We oughta have a dedicated thread for talking about King.
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I agree. He's smart in positioning, but he hasn't a clue what to do when he gets there. He's gets totally lost. When he is defending he often doesn't even know the puck has left the guy he's working on He gets turned around like a top. Offensively he just doesn't have the tools.
 
Boy, this has been the least exciting offseason in my 13 years of following closely. Very few draft picks and very little chance of acquiring anyone that will make a dent. Iguess that's what success feels like
 
Stupid Sexy Flanders said:
I gotta come out of the closet and defend Dwight King a little bit here.

He's *always* in the right place on the ice. O- and D-zones. Just super reliable in his positioning. I'm sure that's why the coaches love him. And there's a lot to be said for that. It is this quality that has separated him from Nolan.

I expect he'll be the 3rd line LW and I think it's a perfectly good call.

Plus he's too young (in NHL time) to believe that he's not going to get better.

We oughta have a dedicated thread for talking about King.
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If king is on the third line again expect no production from that line again. He may be in the right position, but that's the only thing he has going. If nolan can cut down on his boneheaded penalties I would rather have him on the ice. I have no problem with either of them on the 4th line but either in the top 9 is not good.
 
Stupid Sexy Flanders said:
I gotta come out of the closet and defend Dwight King a little bit here.

He's *always* in the right place on the ice. O- and D-zones. Just super reliable in his positioning. I'm sure that's why the coaches love him. And there's a lot to be said for that. It is this quality that has separated him from Nolan.

I expect he'll be the 3rd line LW and I think it's a perfectly good call.

Plus he's too young (in NHL time) to believe that he's not going to get better.

We oughta have a dedicated thread for talking about King.
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I for one could care less about his positioning offensively and defensively. He has no offensive tools and it's very apparent. Our team is defensive enough, even Stoll is good defensively, so I for one could care less about his defensive positioning.

Kings need one of the kids to step up into the third line to help Toffoli with Stoll. King has no hands and no physicality. Nolan has much better hands and his issues are much less critical than kings. If management can adjust his play a bit he'd be a very good 3/4 liner.
 
I'd have to think we could sign Penner for pretty cheap at this point? Maybe he's looking for more years than DL wants to give?
 
KingKopitar11 said:
I for one could care less about his positioning offensively and defensively. He has no offensive tools and it's very apparent. Our team is defensive enough, even Stoll is good defensively, so I for one could care less about his defensive positioning.

Kings need one of the kids to step up into the third line to help Toffoli with Stoll. King has no hands and no physicality. Nolan has much better hands and his issues are much less critical than kings. If management can adjust his play a bit he'd be a very good 3/4 liner.
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??? Really?? Really??

And in no way does Nolan have better hands.
 
KingLB said:
??? Really?? Really??

And in no way does Nolan have better hands.
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Yes really, we have a very solid bottom 6 in the defensive aspect of it. If one of them is more offensive minded it won't make a difference.

Yes Nolan does have better hands.
 
I don't think King has the tools either. He's slow, has a hard time receiving passes, and doesn't have any moves to get around people.

Still - somehow he has 7 goals over the last two playoffs. That's good enough for a tie for 5th among forwards (with Richards). He was tied for 6th for points among forwards this playoffs, and it's not like he gets a lot of ice time. At least he still puts up points when he looks like crap out there, I guess.

I would still like to see someone with a little more skill in that 3LW spot, but King is a 3rd liner for sure. It would be great to be deep enough to push him to the 4th and let him bang and use his size more.
 
Winger23 said:
Sorry but king does have the worst hands on the team...
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That's close, between King and Nolan. The Kings have the lowest scoring bottom 6 in the NHL...if not, must be right there at the bottom.

Thank God the Kings have NOW included 'goal scoring ability' in their
drafting mantra, adding it to their: 'character, size, grit, upside'
requirements. I think they now see that a perpetual future of having
to win 3-2, 2-1 must change.

2012 - Pearson - can score goals. Zykov - scores goals. Brodzinski - can score goals. Acquiring Frattin - can score goals.
 
I tweeted the mayor asking for an update and he said he expects an update on Penner either tomorrow or Tuesday.
 
King has very good hockey IQ but other than that he doesn't have much.
 
KingKopitar11 said:
Yes really, we have a very solid bottom 6 in the defensive aspect of it. If one of them is more offensive minded it won't make a difference.

Yes Nolan does have better hands.
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You could put 2 great defenisve players on the ice. If one of them doesn't know wtf he is doing your going to leak holes all over the ice. Its a team game, and thats why the teams that can play defense (ie no floaters on D) win cups.

Winger23 said:
Sorry but king does have the worst hands on the team...
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I'm sorry you guys must be watching completely different teams or something. Nolan's hands are made of stone. That is why he uses then to break faces.
 
KingKopitar11 said:
I for one could care less about his positioning offensively and defensively. He has no offensive tools and it's very apparent. Our team is defensive enough, even Stoll is good defensively, so I for one could care less about his defensive positioning.

Kings need one of the kids to step up into the third line to help Toffoli with Stoll. King has no hands and no physicality. Nolan has much better hands and his issues are much less critical than kings. If management can adjust his play a bit he'd be a very good 3/4 liner.
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King scores almost as much as Penner, but people want to keep Penner for his "beast mode" performance in the playoffs.

King lacks certain offensive talents, but the guy does have a good IQ, and he's still learning. He doesn't lay out bone crushing hits, but he doesn't shy from physical contact, either.

If both players were to plateau as they are now, I would take King over Nolan without a second thought. Nolan does have a bit more upside, but both are decent 4th line wingers.
 
KingLB said:
You could put 2 great defenisve players on the ice. If one of them doesn't know wtf he is doing your going to leak holes all over the ice. Its a team game, and thats why the teams that can play defense (ie no floaters on D) win cups.



I'm sorry you guys must be watching completely different teams or something. Nolan's hands are made of stone. That is why he uses then to break faces.
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King's hands don't allow him to even receive a pass. every single time there is a cross ice pass to him it clanks off his stick. I'm not saying Nolan's hands are a thing of beauty but at least he can receive a pass.
 
KingLB said:
You could put 2 great defenisve players on the ice. If one of them doesn't know wtf he is doing your going to leak holes all over the ice. Its a team game, and thats why the teams that can play defense (ie no floaters on D) win cups.



I'm sorry you guys must be watching completely different teams or something. Nolan's hands are made of stone. That is why he uses then to break faces.
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I didn't say he has to be terrible at defense, I want a player with an offensive upside, not defensive upside.

King has hockey IQ but he cant do anything with it.

Nolan has less hockey IQ but he has alright hands actually, I've seen him dangle a couple of times well.

With that said I think Nolan has more of an upside than King because you can develop mentally in the game more easily instead of developing hands.

Nolan has good speed, he hits, fights, decent hands. If he develops mentally he can be a very good 4th liner/ marginal 3rd liner.

King's problems are that he cant do the simple fundamentals of hockey, he has an awfully hard time receiving easy passes, he doesn't have a physical game, and his board play is neither good or bad. With that said, The kind of team that would need a player like king is a star studded team that wants a defensively responsible big body 4th liner.

The kings had too many offensively inept bottom 6 forwards last year. I think moving/waiving/or sending him down and using Pearson on with Stoll and Toffoli would give our 3rd line some good looks for sure.
 
King'sPawn said:
King scores almost as much as Penner, but people want to keep Penner for his "beast mode" performance in the playoffs.

King lacks certain offensive talents, but the guy does have a good IQ, and he's still learning. He doesn't lay out bone crushing hits, but he doesn't shy from physical contact, either.

If both players were to plateau as they are now, I would take King over Nolan without a second thought. Nolan does have a bit more upside, but both are decent 4th line wingers.
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Penner at least tries to create and controls the puck along the boards during the playoffs. How many times do you recall King holding the puck down deep? You can't because it's non-existent. Penner will also hit, as you pointed out King will not.

I'm not complaining about King on the 4th line. This all started about him being on the 3rd line, which imo is not acceptable. To me the 3rd line, if not scoring, need to be able to cycle the puck and/or at least be hitters. Lewis and stoll are good at this. King, not so much.
 
The Kings should sign Jagr and limit good games and keep him tested for the playoffs.

He's got big body presence.

This also allows for a prospects to get some games in
 
The Dingo said:
The Kings should sign Jagr and limit good games and keep him tested for the playoffs.

He's got big body presence.

This also allows for a prospects to get some games in
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Really agree. An iggy type of contract.
 
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