Prospect Info: 2013-2014 Rangers Prospects Thread *Part III* (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 4/8)

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Did Dawes and Thomas do it as an 18 year old? I'm asking. I don't know. And Dawes and Thomas are both undersized. Duke is not. I do agree that it will be more exciting if he scored 50 in the A.

C. Thomas did it the year after the draft. 18 to start the season, 19 when the year ended.

Dawes scored 47 as a 17-18 year old. Scored another 47 as an 18-19 year old and 50 as a 19-20 year old.
 
Duclair is 5'11 1/2 with a good build. Hardly a midget like the aforementioned duo.

means little to me.

Now, I'm not expecting 50 against AHL competition, but the level of dominance that he has shown against teenagers doesn't impress me.

I am much more impressed with Butchy's numbers in the KHL than I am with Duke's on the Q.
 
C. Thomas did it the year after the draft. 18 to start the season, 19 when the year ended.

Dawes scored 47 as a 17-18 year old. Scored another 47 as an 18-19 year old and 50 as a 19-20 year old.

means little to me.

Now, I'm not expecting 50 against AHL competition, but the level of dominance that he has shown against teenagers doesn't impress me.

I am much more impressed with Butchy's numbers in the KHL than I am with Duke's on the Q.

I totally get tempering enthusiasm on any prospect - especially after how high I was on Grachev back in the day. But you're being a little bit disingenuous with your comparisons here.

Yeah, Dawes had 47 goals as an 17-18 year old, but the more complete story is that he was 47-45-92 in 72 games. And then he went 47-23-70 in 56 games as an 18-19 year old. Neither of those comes CLOSE to Duclair's current tally of 50-49-99 in 59 games as an 18 year old (who doesn't turn 19 until a week or so before the beginning of his next season). As for Christian Thomas, he's closer - he went 54-45-99 in 66 games as an 18 year old. But, that's still 12% less.

Both also had significant size issues, which Duclair does not, and neither one of them was blessed with his skating. Those aren't things you can gloss over, they make a big difference in projecting a prospect's likely success.

Duclair is a legit top prospect at this point. Of course there are questions as to whether or not it'll translate when he moves up the ladder, but that's true of everyone not picked in the first 2-3 spots of every draft.

Butchy's progress against grown men is also encouraging, so he's got the benefit of having taken a step that Duclair hasn't yet - but then again, will he have issues with the NA sized rinks? I don't think so, but it's a possibility.

I am cautiously optimistic about both - and you can make a very good case that both would be first round locks if they were available in this year's draft.
 
I totally get tempering enthusiasm on any prospect - especially after how high I was on Grachev back in the day. But you're being a little bit disingenuous with your comparisons here.

Yeah, Dawes had 47 goals as an 17-18 year old, but the more complete story is that he was 47-45-92 in 72 games. And then he went 47-23-70 in 56 games as an 18-19 year old. Neither of those comes CLOSE to Duclair's current tally of 50-49-99 in 59 games as an 18 year old (who doesn't turn 19 until a week or so before the beginning of his next season). As for Christian Thomas, he's closer - he went 54-45-99 in 66 games as an 18 year old. But, that's still 12% less.

Both also had significant size issues, which Duclair does not, and neither one of them was blessed with his skating. Those aren't things you can gloss over, they make a big difference in projecting a prospect's likely success.

Duclair is a legit top prospect at this point. Of course there are questions as to whether or not it'll translate when he moves up the ladder, but that's true of everyone not picked in the first 2-3 spots of every draft.

Butchy's progress against grown men is also encouraging, so he's got the benefit of having taken a step that Duclair hasn't yet - but then again, will he have issues with the NA sized rinks? I don't think so, but it's a possibility.

I am cautiously optimistic about both - and you can make a very good case that both would be first round locks if they were available in this year's draft.

Not being disingenous, regarding the first post you quoted, someone asked if they scored 50 as 18 years old players. I looked up their stats and showed that they did.

My opinion remains the same regarding Duke. What he's doing is nice....for a teenager against other teenagers.

As the level of physical maturity rises, both with him and for his competition I will be eager to see how he handles that.

I don't expect him to play at 5'11" 185. I would not be surprised if he started his pro career at 6ft and 200lbs

So the key for me with Duke is how much he grows physically from now until the start of the 2014-15 season and how he handles being sent back to the Q again next year and then how he produces next season.

ALL OF THAT SAID, until he is posting respectable numbers against a higher level of competition, I will remain unimpressed with numbers.
 
Not being disingenous, regarding the first post you quoted, someone asked if they scored 50 as 18 years old players. I looked up their stats and showed that they did.

My opinion remains the same regarding Duke. What he's doing is nice....for a teenager against other teenagers.

As the level of physical maturity rises, both with him and for his competition I will be eager to see how he handles that.

I don't expect him to play at 5'11" 185. I would not be surprised if he started his pro career at 6ft and 200lbs

So the key for me with Duke is how much he grows physically from now until the start of the 2014-15 season and how he handles being sent back to the Q again next year and then how he produces next season.

ALL OF THAT SAID, until he is posting respectable numbers against a higher level of competition, I will remain unimpressed with numbers.

I don't think it's unreasonable to be impressed by his numbers, so long as they're taken in context.
 
I don't think it's unreasonable to be impressed by his numbers, so long as they're taken in context.

that's a fair statement.

And I did mention that it was nice for him as a teeager to be dominating other teenagers.

In the grand sheme of things, it doesn't amount to a hill of beans if he cannot continue getting better and improving his game.

time will tell.
 
anyone who can score goals like that tells me that hes got an eye for the net. we need shooters so hes got a huge opportunity to earn a job with this organization. hes different than most of our other forward prospects.

having said that, unless the rest of his game comes along and he fills out, it will become harder to find the time and space necessary to get that shot off. when hes playing against men and nhl goaltenders, he wont have time to tee it up.

see thats the rub here, duke has shown the ability to beat QMJL goalies, many of which flat out stink.

no matter what you say, the Q is the black sheep of major junior and isnt known for developing goalies and defenders.
 
This is really ironic coming from one of Duclair's biggest fans on HFNYR, a 3rd round pick.

He could play in the NHL, it's a matter of where he plays and what he does in the NHL. I see good bottom pairing guy.

Graves is having a good year. Doesn't matter really what round he was selected in, if he can put it all together then you have yourself a good bottom pairing d-man like you said. Look at guys like who were later round picks who have little to no chance of making it who still has played many NHL games.

He's a guy who can play a top 6 role. He just needs to mature and gain confidence. He's a ways away. He's skates beautifully and he's got nhl size.

Another guy that's being forgotten is Calle andersson. He's got a solid shot at an nhl job. He's our only pure offensive Dman in the system. He's got all the tools to play with the puck and there's a spot for him if he continues to develop.

We have no one else like him as a prospect. All our dmen prospects are 2 way guys and really not anyone has pmd potential.

He needs to be signed. He's got really good offensive ability & your right we don't have any pure offensive d-men in our prospects pool. All the more reason to draft Julius Honka in round 1 ;).

Guys, how does Nieves compare to Stepan?

Don't have to look much further than Derrick Brassard for a Nieves comparison. Great tools, but an average toolbox.

Great comparison. Nailed it on the head. I could see a little bit of Kreider in there, too.

Andersson was once mentioned in the same breath as Hampus Lindholm in terms of pure talent. I know he hasn't put it together yet, but it's silly to give up on a 19-year old defenseman with the tools that he has.

Agreed

that's a fair statement.

And I did mention that it was nice for him as a teeager to be dominating other teenagers.

In the grand sheme of things, it doesn't amount to a hill of beans if he cannot continue getting better and improving his game.

time will tell.

Duclair is having a phenomenal season in the Q right now & looks like a solid prospect, but Buchnevich had a good rookie year in the KHL. That's against grown men, other 1st round draft choices, and a lot more skill. Those stats are something to be excited about knowing that the KHL is the 2nd best league in the world (after the NHL of course). But he also doesn't have that big of a physical frame yet. In due time we'll be able to analyze how they both can handle NHL duties. I'm not knocking off any of them because I like both selections, but in terms of where they both are at I see them being equal. We should all just be excited that we have these guys in our system.
 
Dawes did it.

C. Thomas did it.

The difference is that if The Duke played the full season (as many games as Thomas and Dawes), he'd likely net 60 goals.

He is also bigger, stronger and faster.

And yes, even The Duke is a high risk prospect.
 
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Honestly, if one of Duke, Butcher or St. Croix becomes a 25/30 goal scorer with 30/35 assists, we should be very, very happy.
 
Even though it's more Hartford since Fast has been brought up here, I believe he can definitely score 25 at the NHL level. It's all about PP time for him and shooting the puck more. He plays the point on the PP in Hartford and goes to the net. AV did not use him on the PP which was one of his idiotic decisions. I know he's a rookie blah blah blah but he's excellent with that open space.

To me Fast is on the very similar career path to Cally but he's less physical/reckless and more skill so if he pans out, he'll have more good years. He's a lot like Cally in that you can put him on any line and in any role and he'll be pretty good to very good at it no matter what.

As for Boo, I don't see him as a comparison to Arty or Dubi because both those guys had boardwork as their forte. Boo's not physical but a finesse player from the games I've seen Michigan play.
 
Despite stopping 29 of 30 shots, Skapski and Kootenay lost 1-0 last night.

Tambellini had a goal and an assist. Again, it was a PPG for Tambo.

Graves was scoreless and +1. Since joining Val-d'Or, he's a +18 in 24 games.
 
Tambellini had a goal and an assist. Again, it was a PPG for Tambo.


He's on pace for 90 points over a full WHL season of 72 games. This goes to show my past argument that scoring 80-90 points post-draft means little about a player's offensive ability. Tambo couldn't do much in college, but is clearly above ppg in the juniors.

His offensive output would've been impressive had he been 17. At 19, it doesn't show that he can score in the pros. Hope he can hit triple digits next season and/or develop the rest of his game that will allow him to play in a bottom 6 NHL role.
 
I cant imagine Hrivik being ranked that high after this season.

I'm going by our board's winter prospect ranking. I think we had St. Croix at 15. If St. Croix is around 15, I'm fine with Hrivik there, too.

What 15 prospects do you have above Hrivik?
 
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