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Prospect Info: 2013-2014 Rangers Prospects Thread *Part III* (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 4/8)

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Koekkoek4U said:
General question, do you guys just find KHL/CHL and other streams to watch our prospects or how else so you?
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Hockey Streams is the favorite. You can also watch the games through the various CHL leagues' websites, for a steep fee. Same for the AHL.

Hockey Streams used to broadcast KHL games, but they stopped this season. Not sure why. I think the KHL offers a streaming service on their website.
 
Ola said:
I think we should hope for Lindberg to start in HFD next season and really be able to controll the play down there. Kind of have the same development as he had in the SHL were he went from a 4th line C to a 1st line C over night (granted that he isn't a 4th lineer in the AHL, but you get my point).

A few players can adopt really fast, often they are real intense players and hence you can always use them in an energy role. There is not much adoption to do, all they need to do is hit the ice and move their feet and they will be effective.

Lindberg is kind of the opposite to players like that whom are able to adopt to the pro-game real fast. He lives a lot on his smarts and ability to read the play. He will need more time.
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Agreed. Slowly he's become the best player on the team outside of Miller. Started of very slow, learning the game on NA ice, and has really picked it up right before Christmas.

Very smart player and skater. He will have an NHL future. Worst case scenario he is a Kruger type player. Best case scenario, he is a poor man's Zetterberg.

I think he tops out as a very good 3rd liner, scoring about 30-40 points a season, and playing against second line competition to free up a scoring unit.
 
BrooklynRangersFan said:
Agreed. He's already looking better than he did at the beginning of the year. Barring one of those summer leaps forward that players sometimes (rarely) have, you want him to come in next year and take over as top line center. He's progressing well, but he's not dominating. Next year you want him dictating play to the other team.

It would also help if he got more time with talented wingers. He doesn't have a whole lot to work with down there right now.
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Yeah, and the bolded part is often an issue for a player like Lindberg. Not so much in terms of talent but more like finding good matches.

The AHL is, without putting too much of a negative meaning into the word, a development league. You play in that league to stick out and get a job in the NHL. I mean, its the purpose of it. Litterary. As a season progress, players grow together and develop chemistry and find ways that usually benefit everyone. But unless a player is really established as a goto playermaker on a team, if he gives up the puck with a pass, he often does not get it back. The AHL game is more N-S than the NHL game, and hence it sometimes even is played at a higher pace than a NHL game (its more caotic so to speak). An AHL player has to adopt to the NHL due to it. A player from the SHL is coming from the other side of the spectrum, he has to adopt to the NHL from the other side and hence he has to adopt even more to the AHL.
 
Buchnevich, with his KHL team missing the playoffs, got a postseason game with their junior club. He had two assists and was plus-one. Their next game is Sunday.
 
Buchnevich really needs to become a player for the Rangers. They need him or Duclair to become top nine NHL forwards. Buchnevich has another year remaining on his KHL contract.
 
nyr2k2 said:
Buchnevich, with his KHL team missing the playoffs, got a postseason game with their junior club. He had two assists and was plus-one. Their next game is Sunday.
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if his KHL team is over, is their a way he can play a few games for the Wolfpack??? can he be signed to an AHL tryout???
 
Punxrocknyc19 said:
if his KHL team is over, is their a way he can play a few games for the Wolfpack??? can he be signed to an AHL tryout???
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It's already been said earlier in the thread, but his season isn't over yet. There's a "loser's playoffs" of sorts in the KHL. Buch was just getting a game with the junior team I'm assuming to get him more icetime/practice, since the next game is a few days away.
 
RangerBoy said:
Buchnevich really needs to become a player for the Rangers. They need him or Duclair to become top nine NHL forwards. Buchnevich has another year remaining on his KHL contract.
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Rangers probably had McIlrath ahead of Tarasenko anyway but I would suspect they've been leery of Russians since the Lyashenko suicide and the debacle surrounding Cherepanov's death. There are a lot of teams leery of Russians. If he were from somewhere else Buchnevich probably would have been a 1st rounder or at the least an early 2nd. He looks like he could be a really good player--whether he comes over here is another thing and whether he's willing to put some time in the AHL another on top of that.

Duclair looks to me to be a much more dependable player to count on. Great speed--not very big but not really small and has a very solid frame to work with. Very good to great skills at most things. It would be a reach expecting him to make the NHL next year which means almost certainly he'll be back in the Q next year if he doesn't make the Rangers.
 
eco's bones said:
Rangers probably had McIlrath ahead of Tarasenko anyway but I would suspect they've been leery of Russians since the Lyashenko suicide and the debacle surrounding Cherepanov's death. There are a lot of teams leery of Russians. If he were from somewhere else Buchnevich probably would have been a 1st rounder or at the least an early 2nd. He looks like he could be a really good player--whether he comes over here is another thing and whether he's willing to put some time in the AHL another on top of that.

Duclair looks to me to be a much more dependable player to count on. Great speed--not very big but not really small and has a very solid frame to work with. Very good to great skills at most things. It would be a reach expecting him to make the NHL next year which means almost certainly he'll be back in the Q next year if he doesn't make the Rangers.
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dont count on buch doing any ahl time. why would he ? he plays in the k now. when he comes over he'll come straight to the nhl.

buchnevich is head and shoulders more skilled than duclair. buchnevich did and does have 1st round talent. duclair is a talented player as well but not as naturally gifted.

the russian factor, his relative young age, his lack of size 6'0 maybe 170 and his lack of 2 way game slotted him to where he was drafted.

his skating is top notch. hes shifty and a fancy dangler. his hands are sublime and hes a very crafy dangerous player with the puck. he can shoot it bigtime.

hes hands down the most offensively talented prospect in the system. by alot.
 
Buchnevic is a good player considering where he was picked, but he is still a bit of a long shot.

He isn't the type of player who just steps into the league and plays his game. And while he could become a Loui Eriksson type of player, he must get into better shape.

I think he is a very good pick considering where he was picked. He is definitely upside heavy, could become quite good if he puts everything together.

But so far he is a bit behind were say a Kulemin was at the same age. He still needs another really good growth spurt to get a inside track to make it.
 
offdacrossbar said:
dont count on buch doing any ahl time. why would he ? he plays in the k now. when he comes over he'll come straight to the nhl.

buchnevich is head and shoulders more skilled than duclair. buchnevich did and does have 1st round talent. duclair is a talented player as well but not as naturally gifted.

the russian factor, his relative young age, his lack of size 6'0 maybe 170 and his lack of 2 way game slotted him to where he was drafted.

his skating is top notch. hes shifty and a fancy dangler. his hands are sublime and hes a very crafy dangerous player with the puck. he can shoot it bigtime.

hes hands down the most offensively talented prospect in the system. by alot.
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Maybe you're right that Buchnevich would walk onto the Rangers. It remains to be seen. There aren't too many Rangers players that I can think of that have walked right on to the team. McDonagh didn't. Staal didn't either but they're d-men. Derek Stepan and Henrik Lundqvist are examples of a couple who did.

And it's not always just plain talent that makes the difference. There has to be an opening and the player has to prove almost without a doubt that he's better than all the other options some of whom might be carrying one way contracts. Zuccarello who is the one of the more talented players the Rangers have--had to really struggle to finally prove himself. He has size issues but if Buchnevich doesn't fill out a bit in the meantime he has a size issue as well. For Europeans as well there's--language and culture adjustments--not to mention the smaller rinks--the demand by most all NHL coaches that players be defensively responsible. It's not impossible that Buchnevich would do that but it's still a tall order.
 
Bird Law said:
No. Just no.

They are both pretty evenly skilled. In fact, it's arguable that Buch could put up the points in the Q that Duclair is. If Duclair was Russian and Buch was Canadian, I think you'd be saying the exact opposite you currently are.
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But Buch would be a lot less enigmatic and soft. :sarcasm:
 
Ola said:
But so far he is a bit behind were say a Kulemin was at the same age. He still needs another really good growth spurt to get a inside track to make it.
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What?

Kulemin spent his 18 y/o season in the second division, putting up .5 PPG

Buchnevich was PPG in the second division as a 17 year old
 
offdacrossbar said:
dont count on buch doing any ahl time. why would he ? he plays in the k now. when he comes over he'll come straight to the nhl.

buchnevich is head and shoulders more skilled than duclair. buchnevich did and does have 1st round talent. duclair is a talented player as well but not as naturally gifted.

the russian factor, his relative young age, his lack of size 6'0 maybe 170 and his lack of 2 way game slotted him to where he was drafted.

his skating is top notch. hes shifty and a fancy dangler. his hands are sublime and hes a very crafy dangerous player with the puck. he can shoot it bigtime.

hes hands down the most offensively talented prospect in the system. by alot.
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So does Duclair. In a re-draft he'd go mid 1st.
 
Bird Law said:
No. Just no.

They are both pretty evenly skilled. In fact, it's arguable that Buch could put up the points in the Q that Duclair is. If Duclair was Russian and Buch was Canadian, I think you'd be saying the exact opposite you currently are.
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If Tambellini was a Russian he'd say he's better than Buch or Duke.
 
Russian prospects are just more difficult to deal with. I really don't fault NHL teams for passing on them.

They don't want to spend any time in the AHL learning the NA game. And why would they? The can just run back to the KHL for far more money than the AHL. They're basically useless as prospects unless they can come in and be a good NHL player right away. The money is better in the KHL if they're just going to be a NHL 3rd or 4th liner.

It's true boom or bust. If you don't get a Top-6er, you get literally nothing for your pick.
 
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