Prospect Info: 2013-2014 Rangers Prospects Thread *Part III* (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 4/8)

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Because Calgary is so much better.

Have you ever been? Calgary is a city of 1MM people, overflowing with oil money. And while it can certainly get cold in the winter, it benefits from the Chinook winds which can bring the temperature into the 40s or even 50s for a few hours a day even in the middle of January.

I've never been to Grand Forks (population 50K), but I'd venture to say, yes, Calgary is much nicer for anyone who doesn't love a small town in the middle of nowhere.

 

[Beacon]

What we're seeing from Tambellini in the WHL really reinforces why I think NCAA hockey was better for him developmentally. In juniors, he can dominate with his skill.

I wouldn't say that being on pace for 100 points is dominant. A lot of kids do it. Most of the middle-6 players were around there. Cally and Dubi were on pace for 97 and 96 points, respectively. Dawes was there. Grachev too.

The reason Cally and Dubi succeeded where Dawes and Grachev failed is the value they bring in their overall game. They are two-way players who provide energy, defense, physicality. Dawes and Grachev thought that scoring 1.3 points per game is some amazing feat of offense. Grachev, especially, because he thought he was too good for the AHL as a 19 year old.

This is what Tambellini needs to understand. He's not someone who is an amazingly dominant offensive player. He is not going to become Luc Robitaille or even Rick Nash who had/have huge offensive skill. Getting 100 points in juniors means you have enough offensive skill to be a middle-6 player, but to achieve this goal, you need to do all those things that Dubinsky and Callahan do.

 

[Beacon]

In reference to what I wrote above, the reason The Duke might - might, but still not sure - be different is due to two factors: 1) he is scoring at a 1.7 points per game pace, not 1.3, which is a significant difference; and 2) he's doing it as a real 18 year old, someone who'll still be 18 when the playoffs are over.

What The Duke has been doing so far this season is bordering on domination. If he can keep it up and even improve a bit, we might have that one player who can be useful just purely on his offensive skill even if he won't be great defensively.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Have you ever been? Calgary is a city of 1MM people, overflowing with oil money. And while it can certainly get cold in the winter, it benefits from the Chinook winds which can bring the temperature into the 40s or even 50s for a few hours a day even in the middle of January.

I've never been to Grand Forks (population 50K), but I'd venture to say, yes, Calgary is much nicer for anyone who doesn't love a small town in the middle of nowhere.

Reminds me of when I rooted for TB in the finals 10 years ago because I was like "where the **** is Calgary?" It's a pretty large city.

 

[eco's bones]

In reference to what I wrote above, the reason The Duke might - might, but still not sure - be different is due to two factors: 1) he is scoring at a 1.7 points per game pace, not 1.3, which is a significant difference; and 2) he's doing it as a real 18 year old, someone who'll still be 18 when the playoffs are over.

What The Duke has been doing so far this season is bordering on domination. If he can keep it up and even improve a bit, we might have that one player who can be useful just purely on his offensive skill even if he won't be great defensively.

A reasonable way to look at it. Again I don't think the Q is on the par with the other CHL leagues turning out d-men. But as you say he is doing it as an 18 year old--which is very impressive. Duclair putting on another 10 lbs. or so getting closer to the 200 lb mark would be good for him. He's not a guy who seems to score with long bomb slap shots. He seems to like to get in closer and get off higher % shots to do that. He'll need to be stronger IMO to do that as he moves up the food chain.

 

[Raspewtin]

I wouldn't say that being on pace for 100 points is dominant. A lot of kids do it. Most of the middle-6 players were around there. Cally and Dubi were on pace for 97 and 96 points, respectively. Dawes was there. Grachev too.

The reason Cally and Dubi succeeded where Dawes and Grachev failed is the value they bring in their overall game. They are two-way players who provide energy, defense, physicality. Dawes and Grachev thought that scoring 1.3 points per game is some amazing feat of offense. Grachev, especially, because he thought he was too good for the AHL as a 19 year old.

This is what Tambellini needs to understand. He's not someone who is an amazingly dominant offensive player. He is not going to become Luc Robitaille or even Rick Nash who had/have huge offensive skill. Getting 100 points in juniors means you have enough offensive skill to be a middle-6 player, but to achieve this goal, you need to do all those things that Dubinsky and Callahan do.

This statement is wrong on so many levels.

 

[nyr2k2]

I wouldn't say that being on pace for 100 points is dominant. A lot of kids do it. Most of the middle-6 players were around there. Cally and Dubi were on pace for 97 and 96 points, respectively. Dawes was there. Grachev too.

The reason Cally and Dubi succeeded where Dawes and Grachev failed is the value they bring in their overall game. They are two-way players who provide energy, defense, physicality. Dawes and Grachev thought that scoring 1.3 points per game is some amazing feat of offense. Grachev, especially, because he thought he was too good for the AHL as a 19 year old.

This is what Tambellini needs to understand. He's not someone who is an amazingly dominant offensive player. He is not going to become Luc Robitaille or even Rick Nash who had/have huge offensive skill. Getting 100 points in juniors means you have enough offensive skill to be a middle-6 player, but to achieve this goal, you need to do all those things that Dubinsky and Callahan do.

If Tambellini scored at this pace for a full season, he'd finish with 102 points. That would be good for sixth in the league, based on last season's scoring totals. It's pretty dominant. It puts him in the same scoring position, relative to the rest of the league, as Michael St. Croix, who is currently dominating the ECHL. Right? If top ten in the league is dominant in the ECHL, it's dominant in the WHL.

 

[TheRightWay]

There's so much conjecture in this thread and it makes my head spin. I understand that this is a discussion board, but I mainly come here to find out information and news on the prospects. With the way some of you talk so confidently about your opinions on prospects you would think your background for these opinions would be far more than a couple Youtube highlights and a look at stats. At a certain point it just gets tiresome. It's okay to just say that we don't know why something is, you know? Discussion is good, but to a certain point. Stop polluting the perception of prospects... and we KNOW that conjecture and baseless opinion will over time get accepted as fact... and let's hear from people who have actually watched a lot of Tambellini or any other given player and/or has spoken to the player or people involved in the situation. Just my two cents.

 

[Beacon]

If Tambellini scored at this pace for a full season, he'd finish with 102 points. That would be good for sixth in the league, based on last season's scoring totals. It's pretty dominant. It puts him in the same scoring position, relative to the rest of the league, as Michael St. Croix, who is currently dominating the ECHL. Right? If top ten in the league is dominant in the ECHL, it's dominant in the WHL.

That's kind of my point. MSC is a marginal prospect precisely because he was only a 100 point scorer in the juniors and didn't have the rest of his game where it needs to be. Thus is why he is in the ECHL now. Unless you are top 2-3 in juniors, you can't rely strictly on your offense thinking you are a dominant player.

 

[nyr2k2]

That's kind of my point. MSC is a marginal prospect precisely because he was only a 100 point scorer in the juniors and didn't have the rest of his game where it needs to be. Thus is why he is in the ECHL now. Unless you are top 2-3 in juniors, you can't rely strictly on your offense thinking you are a dominant player.

Which was my point as well.

 

[Raspewtin]

That's kind of my point. MSC is a marginal prospect precisely because he was only a 100 point scorer in the juniors and didn't have the rest of his game where it needs to be. Thus is why he is in the ECHL now. Unless you are top 2-3 in juniors, you can't rely strictly on your offense thinking you are a dominant player.

Delete, I read this post wrong.

 

[Raspewtin]

Really intense game going on in Quebec right now. 5-5 in the third, Duclair has two assists.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Really intense game going on in Quebec right now. 5-5 in the third, Duclair has two assists.

Duclair now up to 3 assists.

EDIT: Hah! 4 assists now, counting the EN goal.

 

[nyr2k2]

98 points in 56 games now for Duclair.

 

[Raspewtin]

That was an awesome game. Quebec with a great win against an insanely difficult opponent in the Armada.

Duclair with 4 assists. As 2k2 said, 2 points away from 100....

 

[Mikos87]

That's kind of my point. MSC is a marginal prospect precisely because he was only a 100 point scorer in the juniors and didn't have the rest of his game where it needs to be. Thus is why he is in the ECHL now. Unless you are top 2-3 in juniors, you can't rely strictly on your offense thinking you are a dominant player.

I think a lot of it has to do with the three three centers in HFD ahead of him are Miller, Lindberg, Powe.

Does MSC benefit by being a 4th line AHL player or getting 20 a night as a scorer in a scoring role?

Michael Ryder spent some time in the ECHL. MSC is signed to a 3-Year ELC, 1 year in. He doesn't have much trade value, what harm is it in letting the kid play to his strengths.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

I think a lot of it has to do with the three three centers in HFD ahead of him are Miller, Lindberg, Powe.

Does MSC benefit by being a 4th line AHL player or getting 20 a night as a scorer in a scoring role?

Michael Ryder spent some time in the ECHL. MSC is signed to a 3-Year ELC, 1 year in. He doesn't have much trade value, what harm is it in letting the kid play to his strengths.

Ryder spent only 25 games at the ECHL level and that is close to 1/3 of a season.. and he also spent 3 years at the AHL level with at least 50 games... let see if MSC can be a regular first... if MSC was that impressive during the Wolfpack training camp, im sure Rangers would have tried to dump Powe..

 

[Beacon]

Duclair now up to 3 assists.

EDIT: Hah! 4 assists now, counting the EN goal.

Terrible. When is the 7-point performance happening again?

 

[darko]

Duclair now up to 3 assists.

EDIT: Hah! 4 assists now, counting the EN goal.

He really needs to start scoring. Approaching bust level.

 

[Beacon]

Only 4 players in all the junior leagues are ahead of The Duke is scoring. Two of them are overagers who are two years older than him. Overagers usually put up crazy stats, but then their careers don't go anywhere. They succeed in their overage season based on the extra experience and maturity.

One kid is 1.5 years older than The Duke, so he too is far ahead developmentally. The remaining kid is half a year older than Duclair, but at 5-9 165, may be too small for the NHL. He had 120 points last season, and still didn't go in the first round.

When people cite that someone is a top-10 player in his junior league, they are just bad at math. There are 3 junior leagues, would they produce 30 offensive top-6 players every season? How many more top-6 players will come out of college and Europe? That's just unrealistic.

With Duclair, he's one of only a few kids who scores like gangbusters and the only one who's 18 years old (and not tiny like the only 19 year old in his scoring range). The idea that all 3 junior leagues might produce 2-3 top offensive talents doesn't seem as crazy as suggesting that they might produce 30 of them.

 

[ArPanet]

Maybe Tambellini left UND because Calgary were offering some under the table money to go there.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Only 4 players in all the junior leagues are ahead of The Duke is scoring. Two of them are overagers who are two years older than him. Overagers usually put up crazy stats, but then their careers don't go anywhere. They succeed in their overage season based on the extra experience and maturity.

One kid is 1.5 years older than The Duke, so he too is far ahead developmentally. The remaining kid is half a year older than Duclair, but at 5-9 165, may be too small for the NHL. He had 120 points last season, and still didn't go in the first round.

When people cite that someone is a top-10 player in his junior league, they are just bad at math. There are 3 junior leagues, would they produce 30 offensive top-6 players every season? How many more top-6 players will come out of college and Europe? That's just unrealistic.

With Duclair, he's one of only a few kids who scores like gangbusters and the only one who's 18 years old (and not tiny like the only 19 year old in his scoring range). The idea that all 3 junior leagues might produce 2-3 top offensive talents doesn't seem as crazy as suggesting that they might produce 30 of them.

Ryan Callahan was drafted as an overage at 19 years old.. so sometimes they could have a solid NHL career, but most times they do not.... this is why with Adam Tambellini doing so well, im not that impressed..

 

[Matt4776]

Ryan Callahan was drafted as an overage at 19 years old.. so sometimes they could have a solid NHL career, but most times they do not.... this is why with Adam Tambellini doing so well, im not that impressed..

Ryan Callahan was not a pure scorer. Irrelevant.

 

[NYR Viper]

Ryan Callahan was drafted as an overage at 19 years old.. so sometimes they could have a solid NHL career, but most times they do not.... this is why with Adam Tambellini doing so well, im not that impressed..

This thought process makes no sense to me. The player is scoring at a very high level in a very good league. What would impress you? What do players have to do to impress you? Many of you are setting these players up to fail if you expect every one to get to 115 points in a season and stating it's necessary to score at that level in order to do well.

JT Miller had just over a ppg in Plymouth the year after his draft. Is he a bust?

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I may be wrong, but I don't think Tambellini was in his second year of draft eligibility (i.e. an overager); I'm pretty sure he's just a relatively early birthday for his draft year.